CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #6

[JMarsh]

Someone asked "why" shoes weren't found in the graves. I simply stated a FACT that THERE ARE shoes located outside their front door. Infer whatever ya want.

And the fact of the matter is that most people own more than one pair of shoes.

 

[Longtimenoc]

Where and when everything happened is essential to the state's case.

Oh I dunno about that. The chase merritt check at the house might be enough

 

[dlkutac]

It could be a statute of limitations issue. And it might also be that the prosecutors know they can't prove fraud.

Yikes. They might not even be able to prove fraud? How do they hope to prove a murder based in large part on the fraud. Not much left except cell phone dead time and spotty dna in the trooper in which Chase admitted being in. Starting to look like the entire prosecution case calls for speculation and lacks foundation.

 

[Longtimenoc]

So the killers couldn't have discarded the shoes elsewhere? There is some kind of gravitational force at play preventing this?

Shoes can be removed. Maybe, like the Google phones, they were placed somewhere else.

Come on now

 

[JMarsh]

Oh I dunno about that. The chase merritt check at the house might be enough

Joey could have written that check. What is there to prove he didn't?

 

[JMarsh]

I am really beginning to believe that the family did exactly as it appears they did--left the house quickly for some reason. And the deleted phone messages are nagging at me more and more as this trial progresses.

 

[Longtimenoc]

Joey could have written that check. What is there to prove he didn't?

Hard to type with a compound leg fracture

 

[asyousay]

Since we KNOW she hated him, absolutely,

Risking her children’s life in the process?

I don’t think any mother and especially as devoted as Summer was would risk their children like that.

She hated Chase and wouldn’t of risked putting her children’s life at risk by screaming. She knew what he was fully capable of more so than Joey i believe.

 

[katydid23]

bbm

How? How does it tell us this?

I think I have posted several times, explaining why I think there is proof that Chase was the one that crated that check on Feb 4th. I know that you do not accept my explanation, but I think many people do see it the same way as I do.


In summary, The check created on the McStay computer, on Feb 4th, written to chase merritt, with Paul Mitchell on memo line, for 4000, was deleted that night.

However, that same check was recreated the very next night, for 500 dollars more---written to chase merritt, for 4500, paul mitchell on memo line, AND CASHED BY Chase at the BOA, on Feb 5th.

So in my opinion, that is strong evidence that it was Chase who created that check on Feb 4th. Otherwise, how coincidental would it be that he himself created the exact same check, but for 500 more, the very next day, and cashed it himself?

I am not going to accept the defense's alternate theory, that DK was the one who created that check on the 4th. Why would DK create it and then delete it, if he was trying to frame CM? And how would he know that CW was going to creat the exact same check the next day and cash it?

from preliminary testimony in 2015:

on Thursday Feb 4th:
7:59 McStay home computer accessed. Check was created for “chase merritt” for $4000 with “paul mitchell” on the memo line.

8:05 Check for $4000 to “chase merritt” is deleted.


on Feb 5th:

12:06 Quickbooks accessed, check created for “chase merritt” for $4500 with ‘paul mitchell” on the memo line.

12:12 Check printed. Then the check date was edited from February 5 to February 4, 2010.

12:21 Check created for $1650 with “Miscellaneous Manufacturer” on memo line. Backdated to February 4. Printed and deleted.

12:25 Check created for $250 to “metro sheet metal”, backdated to February 4.

12:29 Check created for $6505 to “charles merritt” with “Balance sa (1001), period.”. Backdated to February 4. Deleted.

12:33 Check for $2350 to “charles merritt” created, backdated to February 4, printed and deleted. This check would later be deposited at Bank of America.

12:38 $4500 check deleted. This check would be cashed at BOA on the same day.

In retrospect on this day, 5 checks would be created – all backdated to February 4 – for the sum of $15,255 in the span of 35 minutes.

 

[JMarsh]

Huh? If they have examined the computers, they can tell what was accessed?

No, simply by examining the Quickbooks records they can't tell what computer was used to access those.

 

[JMarsh]

I think I have posted several times, explaining why I think there is proof that Chase was the one that crated that check on Feb 4th. I know that you do not accept my explanation, but I think many people do see it the same way as I do.


In summary, The check created on the McStay computer, on Feb 4th, written to chase merritt, with Paul Mitchell on memo line, for 4000, was deleted that night.

However, that same check was recreated the very next night, for 500 dollars more---written to chase merritt, for 4500, paul mitchell on memo line, AND CASHED BY Chase at the BOA, on Feb 5th.

So in my opinion, that is strong evidence that it was Chase who created that check on Feb 4th. Otherwise, how coincidental would it be that he himself created the exact same check, but for 500 more, the very next day, and cashed it himself?

I am not going to accept the defense's alternate theory, that DK was the one who created that check on the 4th. Why would DK create it and then delete it, if he was trying to frame CM? And how would he know that CW was going to creat the exact same check the next day and cash it?

from preliminary testimony in 2015:

on Thursday Feb 4th:
7:59 McStay home computer accessed. Check was created for “chase merritt” for $4000 with “paul mitchell” on the memo line.

8:05 Check for $4000 to “chase merritt” is deleted.


on Feb 5th:

12:06 Quickbooks accessed, check created for “chase merritt” for $4500 with ‘paul mitchell” on the memo line.

12:12 Check printed. Then the check date was edited from February 5 to February 4, 2010.

12:21 Check created for $1650 with “Miscellaneous Manufacturer” on memo line. Backdated to February 4. Printed and deleted.

12:25 Check created for $250 to “metro sheet metal”, backdated to February 4.

12:29 Check created for $6505 to “charles merritt” with “Balance sa (1001), period.”. Backdated to February 4. Deleted.

12:33 Check for $2350 to “charles merritt” created, backdated to February 4, printed and deleted. This check would later be deposited at Bank of America.

12:38 $4500 check deleted. This check would be cashed at BOA on the same day.

In retrospect on this day, 5 checks would be created – all backdated to February 4 – for the sum of $15,255 in the span of 35 minutes.

I know you THINK Chase generated this check, what proof is there that he did?

 

[Edmo]

Risking her children’s life in the process?

I don’t think any mother and especially as devoted as Summer was would risk their children like that.

She hated Chase and wouldn’t of risked putting her children’s life at risk by screaming. She knew what he was fully capable of more so than Joey i believe.

Ok, for arguments sake: CM DOES get them to comply to get into a vehicle. Do you actually think he would get 1/10th of a mile driving away from the home w/o being attacked by JM or SM?

He makes SM or JM drive: Do you think they would literally drive "normal" KNOWING they were headed to their death?

IMO, that makes 0 sense when one's life is on the line, with all due respect.

 

[katydid23]

Joey could have written that check. What is there to prove he didn't?

Past behavior?

Joey had NEVER EVER written any checks from that custom account.
And Joey never used all lower case for names, but Chase routinely did so.

Joey had no reason to write a check from that custom account. He ALWAYS wrote checks from the Contact account.

You yourself said that Chase would have written from the Custom account because he couldn't access the regular checking portion, in the Contacts. So why would Joey do that?

That Custom account was created in 2008, and Joey had never ever written a check from that account. So why would he have written one to lower case 'chase merritt' on the 4th?

 

[asyousay]

My last post for the evening as I need sleep.

I can understand Dan trying to frame Chase but it falls apart as if Dan is behind the Cheques then why is Chase the one cashing them?

That logically makes zero sense if Dan is the one writing the cheques out in Chase’s name then the cheques would remain uncashed as Chase wouldn’t know he was being framed and therefore wouldn’t cash the cheques he had no idea existed.

 

[JMarsh]

Past behavior?

Joey had NEVER EVER written any checks from that custom account.
And Joey never used all lower case for names, but Chase routinely did so.

Joey had no reason to write a check from that custom account. He ALWAYS wrote checks from the Contact account.

You yourself said that Chase would have written from the Contact account because he couldn't access the regular checking portion, in the Contacts. So why would Joey do that?

That Custom account was created in 2008, and Joey had never ever written a check from that account. So why would he have written one to lower case 'chase merritt' on the 4th?

You have Contact and Custom all confused.

 

[Longtimenoc]

And the fact of the matter is that most people own more than one pair of shoes.

Didn't Mr Miller the Equisearch guy wonder where all the shoes were?

 

[katydid23]

What time period of the Quickbooks activity did Hanke examine?

I don't know, but he had the entire document, all of the years, at his disposal. I assume he was only focusing on the past 2 years or so.

 

[asyousay]

Ok, for arguments sake: CM DOES get them to comply to get into a vehicle. Do you actually think he would get 1/10th of a mile driving away from the home w/o being attacked by JM or SM?

He makes SM or JM drive: Do you think they would literally drive "normal" KNOWING they were headed to their death?

IMO, that makes 0 sense when one's life is on the line, with all due respect.

Joey was tied up ( we know he was bound) and Summer driving with Chase having the kids means she can’t do anything without risking her children’s life.

 

[dlkutac]

Someone asked "why" shoes weren't found in the graves. I simply stated a FACT that THERE ARE shoes located outside their front door. Infer whatever ya want.

Often wondered about those shoes. Hypothetically, if you typically do not wear shoes and you received a phone call about an emergency, would you put your shoes on, or run out to your car as fast as you could? I would tend to think that car keys, purse, phone are the minimum for a dash out the door. Not sure about the shoes.

 

[JMarsh]

Didn't Mr Miller the Equisearch guy wonder where all the shoes were?

No. He barely examined the closets. I think his question was in regard to bedding. But doesn't matter he was in the home way after the immediate family took items.