CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #6

[mrjitty]

I can't even think of a reason he would do that and increase the chances of being seen for no gain. He knew the family was going to disappear and he wanted it to look like they were still alive. So he would want the Trooper not sitting outside the house. Anyone dropping by the next day such as McGyver showing up to do painting would know there was a problem if both vehicles were at home and no answer and report a welfare check, but Chase wasn't ready for that yet as we know the computer was accessed again on the 5th and 8th. I think he may have driven it away from its parking spot in the street in front of the house and left it in the neighborhood or parked on the vacant plot.

Makes sense

 

[mrjitty]

I can't even think of a reason he would do that and increase the chances of being seen for no gain. He knew the family was going to disappear and he wanted it to look like they were still alive. So he would want the Trooper not sitting outside the house. Anyone dropping by the next day such as McGyver showing up to do painting would know there was a problem if both vehicles were at home and no answer and report a welfare check, but Chase wasn't ready for that yet as we know the computer was accessed again on the 5th and 8th. I think he may have driven it away from its parking spot in the street in front of the house and left it in the neighborhood or parked on the vacant plot.

You know - I think you are probably right about what happened.

 

[Alisajo]

The 7:58 pm check created on the 4th, was deleted. It was never cashed. It was made out to chase merritt for 4000 dollars, with 'paul mitchell' on the memo line.


The next day, about noon;

12:06 Quickbooks accessed, check created for “chase merritt” for $4500 with ‘paul mitchell” on the memo line.

12:12 Check printed. Then the check date was edited from February 5 to February 4, 2010.


12:19 User creates vendor “metro sheet metal”.

12:21 Check created for $1650 with “Miscellaneous Manufacturer” on memo line. Backdated to February 4. Printed and deleted.

12:25 Check created for $250 to “metro sheet metal”, backdated to February 4.

12:29 Check created for $6505 to “charles merritt” with “Balance sa (1001), period.”. Backdated to February 4. Deleted.

12:33 Check for $2350 to “charles merritt” created, backdated to February 4, printed and deleted. This check would later be deposited at Bank of America.

12:38 $4500 check deleted. This check would be cashed at BOA on the same day.

In retrospect on this day, 5 checks would be created – all backdated to February 4 – for the sum of $15,255 in the span of 35 minutes.

Thanks for that information.
The check's from the 5th Feb where were they generated?, thanks in advance.

 

[Alisajo]

Thanks for that information.
Ths check's from the 5th Feb where were they generated?, thanks in advance.

I think I got the answer from Tortoise on #660.

 

[Penny Parker]

The 7:58 pm check created on the 4th, was deleted. It was never cashed. It was made out to chase merritt for 4000 dollars, with 'paul mitchell' on the memo line.


The next day, about noon;

12:06 Quickbooks accessed, check created for “chase merritt” for $4500 with ‘paul mitchell” on the memo line.

12:12 Check printed. Then the check date was edited from February 5 to February 4, 2010.


12:19 User creates vendor “metro sheet metal”.

12:21 Check created for $1650 with “Miscellaneous Manufacturer” on memo line. Backdated to February 4. Printed and deleted.

12:25 Check created for $250 to “metro sheet metal”, backdated to February 4.

12:29 Check created for $6505 to “charles merritt” with “Balance sa (1001), period.”. Backdated to February 4. Deleted.

12:33 Check for $2350 to “charles merritt” created, backdated to February 4, printed and deleted. This check would later be deposited at Bank of America.

12:38 $4500 check deleted. This check would be cashed at BOA on the same day.

In retrospect on this day, 5 checks would be created – all backdated to February 4 – for the sum of $15,255 in the span of 35 minutes.

To me, this list points overwhelmingly to his being guilty of their murders. He knew they weren't coming back.

 

[mrjitty]

To me, this list points overwhelmingly to his being guilty of their murders. He knew they weren't coming back.

Yep.

For me the combination of the backdating, the deleted cheque on the 4th, turning his phone off, the video of his truck, the gravesite pings and his collapsed alibi add up to guilt.

 

[Longtimenoc]

Does anyone recall which exhibit displayed JMs bank balance at the top of the page? Was wondering if Merritt was able to see it while on QBs.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yeah. About that.

It is curious to me that a narrative involving a middle-aged man driving at break-neck speed at rush hour, I guess with the intent to kill, enters a home and brutally, brutally murders everyone in it, who then drives away, but returns to the crime scene 6 minutes later WHY? (not knowing if a friend or neighbor of the victim's might suddenly knock), to write a check he doesn't bother to print (Why?), and could have written from his home, apparently, then drives away-at some point again, gets the bodies, buries them two days after killing them, at some point returns to clean but is never seen by neighbors, somehow drives the family Trooper to the border, on a day when he also is busy in Rancho and Azusa, and returns with no problem, again in record time, and then performs a number of random weird searches on the family computer, (again why), and does this all for money he was owed by one of the victims anyway, a man who had always paid him....

And this middle-aged man has NO help, whatsoever...

How is THAT so much easier to believe than that two business men whose business is growing, decide to alter, ever so slightly, the method of accounting they were using?

I have no idea at this point if Chase is guilty, but in many ways the true camel in the room is not the idea that two men doing business together would change their accounting model, it is the state's narrative. It is all over the place.

Morning all!

Since I have been following true crime for almost 4 decades now, I have learned HOW murderers carried out their crimes is rarely known in great detail whether it's this case or many others.

All of the victim's voices have been silenced, and the suspect has a constitutional right to not incriminate themselves.

In the end, all I know is they WERE able, and DID and DO carry them out, and unfortunately he will not be the last one capable of doing so all by themselves from beginning to end. .

CM is not the only defendant by far who carried out mass murders all by themselves, including the aftermath, and cover up.

Some were able to murder many more victims than CM when he murdered four. Two of his victims were tiny little children. It was so easy for him to murder the smallest, and most defensless. Neither boys stood a chance with this large enraged adult man who was so much stronger, and powerful.

What matters most to me anyway.... is not trying to obsess over HOW any defendant carried out their diabolical murders, but to concentrate on the evidence being presented that shows the defendant is indeed the one who did the crimes, BARD.

I tend to not dwell on the why, how, when, what or even where it may have happened. None of these things have to be known since its painfully obvious in this case, and in others it DID happen.

The state in any murder case has only three required elements they must prove.

1, first, they must prove who the deceased victim or victims are.

2.secondly, They must show evidence the victim's death were all due to homicide.

3. Lastly, CM, the one charged, and accused is guilty, BARD.

So I stick with what has to be proven instead of what doesnt have to be proven by the state. In every case there are always unanswered questions.

It's just how I look at cases though.

Imo

 

[mrjitty]

Morning all!

Since I have been following true crime for almost 4 decades now, I have learned HOW murderers carried out their crimes is rarely known in great detail whether it's this case or many others.

All of the victim's voices have been silenced, and the suspect has a constitutional right to not incriminate themselves.

In the end, all I know is they WERE able, and DID and DO carry them out, and unfortunately he will not be the last one capable of doing so all by themselves from beginning to end. .

CM is not the only defendant by far who carried out mass murders all by themselves, including the aftermath, and cover up.

Some were able to murder many more victims than CM when he murdered four. Two of his victims were tiny little children. It was so easy for him to murder the smallest, and most defensless. Neither boys stood a chance with this large enraged adult man who was so much stronger, and powerful.

What matters most to me anyway.... is not trying to obsess over HOW any defendant carried out their diabolical murders, but to concentrate on the evidence being presented that shows the defendant is indeed the one who did the crimes, BARD.

I tend to not dwell on the why, how, when, what or even where it may have happened. None of these things have to be known since its painfully obvious in this case, and in others it DID happen.

The state in any murder case has only three required elements they must prove.

1, first, they must prove who the deceased victim or victims are.

2.secondly, They must show evidence the victim's death were all due to homicide.

3. Lastly, CM, the one charged, and accused is guilty, BARD.

So I stick with what has to be proven instead of what doesnt have to be proven by the state. In every case there are always unanswered questions.

It's just how I look at cases though.

Imo

Great post!

It is also worth pointing out numbers 1 and 2 are not at issue

Indeed the defence claim that DK somehow carried out these murders largely as the State alleges and concealed the fact for 9 years until his ex spilled the beans....

 

[Longtimenoc]

Does anyone recall which exhibit displayed JMs bank balance at the top of the page? Was wondering if Merritt was able to see it while on QBs.

Im going to reply to my own post. The bank balance is right at the top of the checks on the right. So Merritt had a pretty good idea of how much cash he had to work with. Like visions of sugar plums dancing in his head this money proved irresistible. This refutes the idea that he did not have JMs bank info on the supposed combined account Custom.

 

[Tortoise]

Im going to reply to my own post. The bank balance is right at the top of the checks on the right. So Merritt had a pretty good idea of how much cash he had to work with. Like visions of sugar plums dancing in his head this money proved irresistible. This refutes the idea that he did not have JMs bank info on the supposed combined account Custom.

BBM Which checks are you referring to?

 

[Longtimenoc]

This exhibit can be found during Schroeder's testimony part 2. An exhibit of one of Merritts checks templates Feb 4th, for 4k.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Great post!

It is also worth pointing out numbers 1 and 2 are not at issue

Indeed the defence claim that DK somehow carried out these murders largely as the State alleges and concealed the fact for 9 years until his ex spilled the beans....

Thank you.

I think the state is fully prepared to X this defense witness, don't you?

I think jurors tend to look at any witness who suddenly appears out of nowhere with a jaundice eye anyway.

I don't have any doubt the investigators for the state have fully checked out this woman's history probably going back to when she was born. LOL! J/K.

Imo

 

[Bernina]

I have been thinking about that too---about whether Joey would have told anyone if he found out Chase had written a check and cashed it, without permission.

I am not sure that he would have said anything to anyone that morning. It seems to me that Joey was trying to 'help' Chase, and figured that he could be a good mentor and benefactor and be generous , and that would turn things around for Chase.

I am not sure that he would say anything if he caught Chase cheating or stealing. Not until he talked to him first, and tried to understand it and work something out anyway. JMO

What time on the 4th did JM talk to his father and when did JM talk to his bank?
Wasn't the call with his father in the morning and the bank conversations on his way to RC?

 

[Tortoise]

This exhibit can be found during Schroeder's testimony part 2. An exhibit of one of Merritts checks templates Feb 4th, for 4k.

Thanks I've just had a quick flick through and couldn't find it. Do you have a timestamp on the part 2 testimony please?

 

[Longtimenoc]

BBM Which checks are you referring

Thanks I've just had a quick flick through and couldn't find it. Do you have a timestamp on the part 2 testimony please?

Sure. Starts at 29. 54. Part 2

 

[Tortoise]

Sure. Starts at 29. 54. Part 2

My part 2 video only goes up to 18.20!

 

[Tortoise]

Thanks I've found it now in Part 1.

 

[Longtimenoc]

Its actually a check register in the cache documents. Sorry, not actual check but would seem balance info readily available to CM

 

[Longtimenoc]

Thanks I've found it now in Part 1.

Maybe thats what I meant arghh