CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #6

[Bernina]

Balance....

 

[missy1974]

I can't even think of a reason he would do that and increase the chances of being seen for no gain. He knew the family was going to disappear and he wanted it to look like they were still alive. So he would want the Trooper not sitting outside the house. Anyone dropping by the next day such as McGyver showing up to do painting would know there was a problem if both vehicles were at home and no answer and report a welfare check, but Chase wasn't ready for that yet as we know the computer was accessed again on the 5th and 8th. I think he may have driven it away from its parking spot in the street in front of the house and left it in the neighborhood or parked on the vacant plot.

BBM You don't think the cam would have caught that?

The Trooper being there, not there, being moved, or whatever seems to be that one thing that is hard to find an explanation for IMO

 

[Longtimenoc]

Balance....

Nice!

 

[Tortoise]

BBM You don't think the cam would have caught that?

The Trooper being there, not there, being moved, or whatever seems to be that one thing that is hard to find an explanation for IMO

I don't no. The cameras didn't capture that side of the street. Demonstrated in the screenshots previously posted. IMO.

 

[missy1974]

Does anyone recall which exhibit displayed JMs bank balance at the top of the page? Was wondering if Merritt was able to see it while on QBs.

Here is a screenshot that I took.

 

[mrjitty]

I don't no. The cameras didn't capture that side of the street. Demonstrated in the screenshots previously posted. IMO.

I have not bothered to get on top of the security cam location so am being lazy if you will indulge

Is it possible to move the trooper out of the driveway after 7 without being snapped by the cam?

And why did it get CM?

CM backing his car to the garage to "load" makes a lot of sense IMO - but he would have had to move the trooper

But as you say, maybe his original staging idea was to move the trooper away

Chris Watts made this mistake of leaving the vehicle at the house

 

[Bernina]

I don't no. The cameras didn't capture that side of the street. Demonstrated in the screenshots previously posted. IMO.

I wonder why the prosecution doesn't have video of JM leaving that day in the Trooper and the time? There is also no video of the Trooper ever leaving again that evening or the next day (or ever) so one would assume that it never came back from RC?

 

[Tortoise]

I have not bothered to get on top of the security cam location so am being lazy if you will indulge

Is it possible to move the trooper out of the driveway after 7 without being snapped by the cam?

And why did it get CM?

I don't think Joey ever parked it in the driveway that day. If Chase can be believed on anything at all he said Summer didn't like Joey parking on the drive because it didn't leave her enough room to get the boys in and out so he habitually parked on the street in front of the house.

The truck was caught on camera as its headlights came into view as it moved across the road after exiting the drive.

 

[Tortoise]

I wonder why the prosecution doesn't have video of JM leaving that day in the Trooper and the time? There is also no video of the Trooper ever leaving again that evening or the next day (or ever) so one would assume that it never came back from RC?

If it's beyond the range of the camera it wouldn't be on the video.

Original investigators were satisfied it was the Trooper leaving the driveway I believe, so they had no reason to look at other comings and goings, they weren't looking for a perpetrator arriving, they must have assumed it was Joey going out with the family in the Trooper - nothing suspicious to note about that. Then when it became a murder investigation and the footage would have been examined far more closely if it was available to show when this truck turned in and when the Trooper made it home it was too late to gather the evidence.

 

[missy1974]

I don't no. The cameras didn't capture that side of the street. Demonstrated in the screenshots previously posted. IMO.

Right, but if he drove it to the end of the cul-de-sac and turned around, or pulled into the driveway and turned around, I would think the cam would catch that ... unless he drove outside of the view of the cam, which I don't know why he would drive on the wrong side of the road. I wonder if turning on the truck and lights would have activated the cam or could have been seen on the cam just from the illumination. Geesh I wish we had more of that cam footage from that night!

 

[ehenson88]

Any ideas who might be testifying today

 

[missy1974]

I have not bothered to get on top of the security cam location so am being lazy if you will indulge

Is it possible to move the trooper out of the driveway after 7 without being snapped by the cam?

And why did it get CM?

CM backing his car to the garage to "load" makes a lot of sense IMO - but he would have had to move the trooper

But as you say, maybe his original staging idea was to move the trooper away

Chris Watts made this mistake of leaving the vehicle at the house

I don't know if he could load from the Garage... it was pretty full with their stuff.

I think it was CM himself that said Joey would park on the street so Summer could get the kids in and out of the truck easier. So I can believe that the Trooper was on the street when he came home, I just don't know if CM could have moved it that night and it not be caught on that cam as well, even just the illumination from the headlights. Or him turning around somehow and coming back by the Mitchely house. He couldn't drive straight out.

 

[missy1974]

Any ideas who might be testifying today

They ended with Det Jason Schroeder... he was under cross still... I imagine they will start with him.

 

[mrjitty]

I wonder why the prosecution doesn't have video of JM leaving that day in the Trooper and the time? There is also no video of the Trooper ever leaving again that evening or the next day (or ever) so one would assume that it never came back from RC?

The video camera was only turned on at 7pm

 

[missy1974]

The video camera was only turned on at 7pm

hmmm I'm not sure about that. I think they only copied that block of time 7-8pm. But she indicated that there were times that it was on all the time because of things like the spider web being caught in the upper left corner.

Honestly, the way that they showed that video made no sense to me... IIRC they really didn't establish the time very well (pro's asked Mitchely if her time on her computer was correct and Mitchely did say that LE took photographs of her computer screen, assuming it would have showed the time), and the block of video that they showed was 11 or 12 minutes... they would show the video and move it to 10:30 of the video or whatever. I guess it's possible that the prosecution and the defense agreed to a certain time block of the video, and agreed on the time of the video previously... but usually that would be said in court.

 

[Tortoise]

Right, but if he drove it to the end of the cul-de-sac and turned around, or pulled into the driveway and turned around, I would think the cam would catch that ... unless he drove outside of the view of the cam, which I don't know why he would drive on the wrong side of the road. I wonder if turning on the truck and lights would have activated the cam or could have been seen on the cam just from the illumination. Geesh I wish we had more of that cam footage from that night!

If I was better with Paint I would draw you a diagram to show what part of the road was covered by the camera and what part of the road Joey would have driven on after turning around, to pull in on the street outside his house, but I'm rubbish with Paint. He would have been driving on the wrong side of the street to park outside his house. As I said just above if the Trooper was moved after the truck left the driveway (which SDSO thought was the Trooper so they weren't looking for it being moved later since they thought it had gone) it still wouldn't be in range of the cameras as the headlights would shine ahead as it moved off. At most there would probably be a brightening but that could be from any vehicles moving out of range of the camera, such as Joey's neighbor's vehicles. IMO.

 

[Niner]

Someone - sorry don't recall who - last page - they asked what time Joey talked with his father & bank- all the bold below are calls between Joey & Chase.

Thursday, February 4

9:51am to 5:48pm - CM cell phone pinged in Rancho Cucamonga.

9:41am - Summer speaks to her sister in the morning, and makes plans to visit her and her newborn child.

Joey’s calls:
8am – 4pm - Joey makes work calls
8:45am – 9:31am – business call / VM retrieval
9:36am – incoming call from EIP 22 min
9:40am – incoming call from CM 3 min
2/4/2010 Incoming 10:19 AM CM 909-374 = 4 min
2/4/2010 Daytonabch, FL 10:34 AM 386-383 (F) 2 -
2/4/2010 Incoming 10:39 AM PM-father 281-475 4 – Joey to Patrick
2/4/2010 Incoming 10:43 AM EIP 949-274-4674 (A) 2 – EIP to Joey
2/4/2010 Pomona, CA 10:46 AM CM 909-374 = 4 min
2/4/2010 Incoming 11:06 AM EIP 949-274-4674 17 min – EIP to Joey
2/4/2010 Incoming 11:18 AM EIP 949-274-4674 (A) 15 min – EIP to Joey
2/4/2010 Incoming 11:33 AM CM 909-374 = 2 min
2/4/2010 Kingsport, TN 11:38 AM 423-963- 2 -
2/4/2010 Kingsport, TN 11:39 AM 423-963- 1 -
2/4/2010 Vm Retrieval 11:41 AM 123 (G) 1 -
2/4/2010 Incoming 11:43 AM Blocked NBR 6 -
2/4/2010 Incoming 11:46 AM 386-383- (A) 5 -
2/4/2010 Capstr Vly, CA 11:51 AM bank/accntnt 949-492- (A) 2 - Joey calls accountant.
2/4/2010 Pomona, CA 11:53 AM CM 909-374 2min - then Joey calls Chase at 11:53,
2/4/2010 Pomona, CA 11:56 AM CM 909-374 Text Outgoing 1 - followed by a text at 11:56
2/4/2010 Anoka, MN 11:57 AM 651-746- 1 -
2/4/2010 St Paul, MN 11:58 AM 651-261- (A) 2 -

Joey’s calls:

12 noon - 2 calls from Joey to Union Bank
2/4/2010 Daytonabch, FL 12:00 PM 386-383 (A) 2
2/4/2010 1-800 # 12:02 PM fountains 800-622- (A) 4 -
2/4/2010 Incoming 12:04 PM 203-699- (A) 8 -
2/4/2010 Vm Retrieval 12:11 PM 123 (G) 4 -
2/4/2010 Capstr Vly, CA 12:15 PM bank/accntnt 949-492- 7 - Joey speaks with the "bank/accountant" for seven minutes (or leaves VM)

 

[JMarsh]

Morning all!

Since I have been following true crime for almost 4 decades now, I have learned HOW murderers carried out their crimes is rarely known in great detail whether it's this case or many others.

All of the victim's voices have been silenced, and the suspect has a constitutional right to not incriminate themselves.

In the end, all I know is they WERE able, and DID and DO carry them out, and unfortunately he will not be the last one capable of doing so all by themselves from beginning to end. .

CM is not the only defendant by far who carried out mass murders all by themselves, including the aftermath, and cover up.

Some were able to murder many more victims than CM when he murdered four. Two of his victims were tiny little children. It was so easy for him to murder the smallest, and most defensless. Neither boys stood a chance with this large enraged adult man who was so much stronger, and powerful.

What matters most to me anyway.... is not trying to obsess over HOW any defendant carried out their diabolical murders, but to concentrate on the evidence being presented that shows the defendant is indeed the one who did the crimes, BARD.

I tend to not dwell on the why, how, when, what or even where it may have happened. None of these things have to be known since its painfully obvious in this case, and in others it DID happen.

The state in any murder case has only three required elements they must prove.

1, first, they must prove who the deceased victim or victims are.

2.secondly, They must show evidence the victim's death were all due to homicide.

3. Lastly, CM, the one charged, and accused is guilty, BARD.

So I stick with what has to be proven instead of what doesnt have to be proven by the state. In every case there are always unanswered questions.

It's just how I look at cases though.

Imo

Exactly. So what evidence so far ties Chase to the murders? To the act of murder? Not what makes him look suspicious, but what directly ties him to the murders?

 

[JMarsh]

The check numbers as seen through Encase cache lists don't match the actual checks numbers on the checks Chase eventually cashes. 4092, 4093 etc. are not check numbers used by either Joey or Chase at the time of the murders, so when those numbers appear on Encase's cache snapshots relaying of the Quickbooks activity, they have to mean something else. It will be interesting to see in testimony what those numbers actually correspond to.

 

[missy1974]

If I was better with Paint I would draw you a diagram to show what part of the road was covered by the camera and what part of the road Joey would have driven on after turning around, to pull in on the street outside his house, but I'm rubbish with Paint. He would have been driving on the wrong side of the street to park outside his house. As I said just above if the Trooper was moved after the truck left the driveway (which SDSO thought was the Trooper so they weren't looking for it being moved later since they thought it had gone) it still wouldn't be in range of the cameras as the headlights would shine ahead as it moved off. At most there would probably be a brightening but that could be from any vehicles moving out of range of the camera, such as Joey's neighbor's vehicles. IMO.

I understand what the cam covered, but even when the car passes before the truck pulls out of their driveway you can see the headlights coming. Headlights aren't straight out, they illuminate the area. I'm not sure what you mean by Joey turning around to park in front of his house? He would have just been able to drive onto his street and stop in front of his house, no need to turn around?

They may not have been looking for the Trooper to move, but if there was cam footage after 8pm, I would HOPE that they watched to see if they returned if they believed it was the Trooper leaving the driveway at 7:47pm.

From Joey's youtube channel... a video of the street... and the house. The street is actually quite wide. For him to park in front of the house, there is no need to turn around. This video actually shows Mitchely's house really well too, just to get a perspective of where it was, it's easy to use that fire hydrant to situate where her house was (matches the her side cam view)