CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #8

[Edmo]

yes, that's what that link and info said They can sue you.

"Collecting" is another. Most people simply open new accounts to avoid them collecting.

 

[Edmo]

@citygirl Where I live now, I grew up from 1980 and the "surrounding" area was farmland. I have two mountains 1000-2000' tall that surround the area. Last summer, I was hiking up a trail, about 200' high and came across a rattle snake that I thought was chasing me home.

It seemed like it was about 6' long and 4" thick. Scared the bejesus out of me and I haven't been back since.

 

[missy1974]

"Collecting" is another. Most people simply open new accounts to avoid them collecting.

That's what I'm getting at... but I haven't watched all the testimony, so will wait to see if my opinion changes! I think he was worried about that. Then he opened a new bank account and wasn't as worried about depositing and didn't 'cash'.

 

[Edmo]

That's what I'm getting at... but I haven't watched all the testimony, so will wait to see if my opinion changes! I think he was worried about that. Then he opened a new bank account and wasn't as worried about depositing and didn't 'cash'.

He knows how things work in Cali, trust me.

You have to have really, really bad credit to NOT be able open a bank account as well.

 

[citygirl]

if it's anything like here, it depends on who is doing it LOL My Mom used to be collect Canada Student loan debts... I was going to call her, but think I found the info I was looking for in my last post ;-)

I feel like maybe a debt like that caught up to him in 2009 and was part of the reason he cashed cheques, and probably why he was using CJ's bank account sometimes. Might also explain why he opened another account. Seems like a common tactic. When I first saw all the cashed cheques, my first thought was a 'dead beat Dad' trying to scoot child support, but another debt could be the answer. I wonder if we will hear this later...

Sorry Missy. A reach. Let's see it documented somewhere. More than that, this late in the game, how feasible is it? We are way beyond the investigative phase. We are in the midst of a murder trial. We are not here because they think he could have done it.They are convinced based on their investigation that he did do it. IMO it was not a rush to judgement. They took their good old time. I think they have their man.I take no pleasure in it. It's so so sad all around. So many people caught up in the ripple effect. Both families. Suffering.

 

[citygirl]

@citygirl Where I live now, I grew up from 1980 and the "surrounding" area was farmland. I have two mountains 1000-2000' tall that surround the area. Last summer, I was hiking up a trail, about 200' high and came across a rattle snake that I thought was chasing me home.

It seemed like it was about 6' long and 4" thick. Scared the bejesus out of me and I haven't been back since.

OMG. Not sure I will sleep tonight after hearing this.

 

[citygirl]

That's what I'm getting at... but I haven't watched all the testimony, so will wait to see if my opinion changes! I think he was worried about that. Then he opened a new bank account and wasn't as worried about depositing and didn't 'cash'.

I don't think it ever crossed his mind. Just sayin' and MOO.

 

[Edmo]

OMG. Not sure I will sleep tonight after hearing this.

It was orange color with black and white stripes on it's tail with about 8-10 rattlers. The snake was slithering around a 3-4' rock about 10' away from me off the trail. I caught it out of the corner of my eye and you NEVER seen an old fat man descend a hill so fast in your life ! I was an olympian that day.

 

[citygirl]

It was orange color with black and white stripes on it's tail with about 8-10 rattlers. The snake was slithering around a 3-4' rock about 10' away from me off the trail. I caught it out of the corner of my eye and you NEVER seen an old fat man descend a hill so fast in your life ! I was an olympian that day.

TMI..

 

[missy1974]

Sorry Missy. A reach. Let's see it documented somewhere. More than that, this late in the game, how feasible is it? We are way beyond the investigative phase. We are in the midst of a murder trial. We are not here because they think he could have done it.They are convinced based on their investigation that he did do it. IMO it was not a rush to judgement. They took their good old time. I think they have their man.I take no pleasure in it. It's so so sad all around. So many people caught up in the ripple effect. Both families. Suffering.

BBM

Normally I would agree with you, but then why are we having the lead investigator still investigating? Why would Smith start looking for different things now? This is exactly what he said in his testimony yesterday. He took the cell records and looked for something, he started on Monday and finished the night before.

They tried the key from Joey's pocket in the Trooper AFTER the trial started. So yes, in most cases, I would like to believe that the investigation is complete when the trial starts, but IMO this does not seem to be the case here. I really wish we could see Smith's cross after the defense looks at it this weekend, but I haven't read anything that says we will

 

[Force Ten]

I think I have found the information I was looking for...

If you get a summons notifying you that a debt collector is suing you, do not ignore it—if you do, the collector may be able to get a default judgment against you (that is, the court enters judgment in the collector's favor because you didn't respond to defend yourself). The debt collector could then garnish your wages and bank accounts, meaning it could take money from your paycheck or accounts. Make sure you respond by the date stated in the court papers so you can defend yourself in court. If you are sued, you may want to consult an attorney.

Debt Collectors

It can be done after a judgement. I've never heard of anyone actually being sued and having wages garnished. If it happens, it's seldomly carried out. It would have to be a substantial loss for the hospital/doctor IMO.

 

[citygirl]

BBM

Normally I would agree with you, but then why are we having the lead investigator still investigating? Why would Smith start looking for different things now? This is exactly what he said in his testimony yesterday. He took the cell records and looked for something, he started on Monday and finished the night before.

They tried the key from Joey's pocket in the Trooper AFTER the trial started. So yes, in most cases, I would like to believe that the investigation is complete when the trial starts, but IMO this does not seem to be the case here. I really wish we could see Smith's cross after the defense looks at it this weekend, but I haven't read anything that says we will

I have no problem with any of this. Investigations are ongoing even after the trial has begun. It's a search for the truth. Trust me. The DT is doing the same based on testimony.

 

[Edmo]

It can be done after a judgement. I've never heard of anyone actually being sued and having wages garnished. If it happens, it's seldomly carried out. It would have to a substantial loss for the hospital/doctor IMO.

I forget who, but someone on here has access to criminal/civil cases that list people and their cases in California from a website. I can't remember the name of the website, even though I used to have access to the same website. They could easily look up CM's cases (criminal/civil) and answer the question whether he has been sued in civil court, or not. Lawyers use that website to get case information about people.

It sucks getting old. Just sayin. Maybe they will see this post and chime in, hopefully.

 

[Edmo]

Yep, but I think once they have a judgement, there is no time limit. Depending on the debt, they may have went for the judgement before it was stats barred, then it's anyone's guess to when they will actually act on that judgement and start taking from accounts, especially with him being self employed. If you are self-employed, you don't have an HR dept they can send a judgement to and garnishee wages.

They can usually do a background search on your Social Security Number to find any account they can collect from, if they have an public account to collect from.

 

[citygirl]

I forget who, but someone on here has access to criminal/civil cases that list people and their cases in California from a website. I can't remember the name of the website, even though I used to have access to the same website. They could easily look up CM's cases (criminal/civil) and answer the question whether he has been sued in civil court, or not. Lawyers use that website to get case information about people.

It sucks getting old. Just sayin. Maybe they will see this post and chime in, hopefully.[/QUOTE]

 

[citygirl]

BBM. Does it evah!
In response to getting old.....er.

 

[Edmo]

It can be done after a judgement. I've never heard of anyone actually being sued and having wages garnished. If it happens, it's seldomly carried out. It would have to a substantial loss for the hospital/doctor IMO.

With all due respect, it happens every day. You can get a lien/judgment AND collect "if" you know the defendant's property/home/bank account information TO collect from. It basically works the same as a warrant, if you KNOW where to collect/capture someone.

 

[ehenson88]

Fuller Context Undercuts Circumstantial Elements Of Merritt Prosecution | SBCSentinel

In its cross examination of the three primary witnesses presented this week, however, the defense came roaring back, confronting a detective who had covered key ground in the case with elements of the prosecutiorial and investigative timeline to demonstrate that some of the checks the prosecution alleges were forged by Merritt were very likely actually made out by McStay, or otherwise written with his permission.

Did I miss something from the testimony this week? I don't recall this at all, just the DT questioning Smith about the copies of checks written from Chase's account that were provided by the bank in response to the search warrant and why they weren't turned over to the forensic accountant. Rodriguez told him that they didn't have the records. Smith claimed they overlooked them.

 

[JMarsh]

I forget who, but someone on here has access to criminal/civil cases that list people and their cases in California from a website. I can't remember the name of the website, even though I used to have access to the same website. They could easily look up CM's cases (criminal/civil) and answer the question whether he has been sued in civil court, or not. Lawyers use that website to get case information about people.

It sucks getting old. Just sayin. Maybe they will see this post and chime in, hopefully.

I don't know which website you mean, but Chase was sued by Bank of America (this was well after the murders, though)-he'd been sued a number of times around the time of the murders--all related to evictions, or money owed, etc.

There is no debating that he had money issues, but these may have been due more to his medical bills than anything else. And the gambling may have been his attempt to try and make his money grow.

But a lot of people struggle economically. And side note, I could found no record of Chase ever owing back child support. He appears to have made his children a priority.

Chase didn't stand to gain anything by Joey's death. Joey was his financial lifeline. The only argument one can make for Chase having a motive here is if Joey was going to fire him, and there is zero evidence that Joey had any intention of doing this.

 

[Edmo]

BBM. Does it evah!
In response to getting old.....er.

I can't remember the name to save the life of me right now and I used it for a couple years.