CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #8

[Edmo]

I don't know which website you mean, but Chase was sued by Bank of America (well after the murders)-he'd been sued number of times. There is no debating that he had money issues. But so do a lot of people. If I stop and think about it, Chase didn't stand to gain anything by Joey's death. Joey was his lifeline. The only argument one can make for Chase having a motive here is if Joey was going to fire him, and there is zero evidence that Joey had any intention of doing this.

Its a site that LE and Lawyers use. I used it for 2 years and can't remember the name. Someone on WS posted to one of my comments about it and named it. I still can't remember the name. The site was for professionals and the public was not allowed access, IIRC.
It's NOT Nexis-Lexus, for the record.

 

[JMarsh]

Its a site that LE and Lawyers use. I used it for 2 years and can't remember the name. Someone on WS posted to one of my comments about it and named it. I still can't remember the name. The site was for professionals and the public was not allowed access, IIRC.
It's NOT Nexis-Lexus, for the record.

San Bernardino lists civil suits as well. I don't know about the other sites.

 

[mom2chloe]

In 2008/2009 did Chase have any judgements against him? Financially I mean. A credit card debt? a loan debt? I am not sure if it's something we know or would be able to find out.

IIRC CM alleged that he had previously suffered a heart attack but there has been zero documentation and/or proof of this.
It is also MHO that we will never see verification of this because of HIPPA.
As many others have previously posted, what CM says or said cannot be be proven because his truthfulness has at minimum been questioned. We may never know his medical history although we know he was a physically capable man who could paint ball and dig holes in the desert...

 

[Edmo]

San Bernardino lists civil suits as well. I don't know about the other sites.

Its a nation-wide website.

 

[citygirl]

I can't remember the name to save the life of me right now and I used it for a couple years.

It will come to you. It's in there somewhere along with so many other things. So many other things that it takes some time to retrieve it. That's what I have been told. So I am sticking with it.

 

[Edmo]

It will come to you. It's in there somewhere along with so many other things. So many other things that it takes some time to retrieve it. That's what I have been told. So I am sticking with it.

Someone on WS answered one of my posts, a week or so ago and they mentioned the name in their post. I remembered I used to use that site about 2 years ago, a nation-wide database that listed all of the US court cases, civil/criminal, IIRC that you could search by name.

I was using it to check a Dr that had done my back surgeries, which is tied into "fake implants" court case in California., the largest workers comp fraud in America. I won't know until I die and they remove the actual implants/devices they installed in my spine. True story. It also involves politicians and a Governor of Ca.

 

[Recidivist]

I don't know which website you mean, but Chase was sued by Bank of America (this was well after the murders, though)-he'd been sued a number of times around the time of the murders--all related to evictions, or money owed, etc.

There is no debating that he had money issues, but these may have been due more to his medical bills than anything else. And the gambling may have been his attempt to try and make his money grow.

But a lot of people struggle economically. And side note, I could found no record of Chase ever owing back child support. He appears to have made his children a priority.

Chase didn't stand to gain anything by Joey's death. Joey was his financial lifeline. The only argument one can make for Chase having a motive here is if Joey was going to fire him, and there is zero evidence that Joey had any intention of doing this.

He would not owe child support as long as he is living with the mother. I don't think he has been paying child support during the time spent in jail. Aside from the McStays, I really feel sorry for Ms. Jarvis. I bet she lived in hell during the years spent with him.

And you keep reminding us of the bad economy back in those years. Yet he was earning way more than most of us. His financial problems weren't due to any bad economy, it was completely his own doing. And I haven't a doubt in my mind, Ms. Jarvis and her children suffered and went without due to his irresponsibility.

 

[mom2chloe]

Incidentally, I am interested in what the IRS and the state of California have tallied as CM’s debts owed to them especially with regard to his $173,000 yearly income. Please don’t ask me for which year but I am certain he owes one government entity or more for that as well. IMO

 

[Recidivist]

Its a site that LE and Lawyers use. I used it for 2 years and can't remember the name. Someone on WS posted to one of my comments about it and named it. I still can't remember the name. The site was for professionals and the public was not allowed access, IIRC.
It's NOT Nexis-Lexus, for the record.

Is it PACER?

 

[Edmo]

Incidentally, I am interested in what the IRS and the state of California have tallied as CM’s debts owed to them especially with regard to his $173,000 yearly income. Please don’t ask me for which year but I am certain he owes one government entity or more for that as well. IMO

HOW does one earn $173K a year and NOT be able to pay for health insurance?

 

[Edmo]

Is it PACER?

YES !! Thank you, Pacer is where you can search.

 

[JMarsh]

He would not owe child support as long as he is living with the mother. I don't think he has been paying child support during the time spent in jail. Aside from the McStays, I really feel sorry for Ms. Jarvis. I bet she lived in hell during the years spent with him.

And you keep reminding us of the bad economy back in those years. Yet he was earning way more than most of us. His financial problems weren't due to any bad economy, it was completely his own doing. And I haven't a doubt in my mind, Ms. Jarvis and her children suffered and went without due to his irresponsibility.

According to Search Warrants Chase had not been living with Jarvis for years when arrested. He had a new live-in girlfriend. There are no published accounts of Jarvis's feelings about any of this. He had 100k in medical bills. That can wipe a lot of people out.

 

[Force Ten]

With all due respect, it happens every day. You can get a lien/judgment AND collect "if" you know the defendant's property/home/bank account information TO collect from. It basically works the same as a warrant, if you KNOW where to collect/capture someone.

For medical bills? In my experience I know of maybe 2 or 3 dozen people in my lifetime (family, friends, acquaintances) who've been sought after for medical bills, I've never heard of one of them being sued. People will talk about their credit and such, those with questionable credit almost always say "I have some unpaid medical stuff". But again this just my own personal experience. And yes, my credit is clean lol.

 

[citygirl]

He would not owe child support as long as he is living with the mother. I don't think he has been paying child support during the time spent in jail. Aside from the McStays, I really feel sorry for Ms. Jarvis. I bet she lived in hell during the years spent with him.

And you keep reminding us of the bad economy back in those years. Yet he was earning way more than most of us. His financial problems weren't due to any bad economy, it was completely his own doing. And I haven't a doubt in my mind, Ms. Jarvis and her children suffered and went without due to his irresponsibility.

WOW. So true. No one has posted about this. It's the ripple effect that I have opined about. I couldn't help but wonder how she felt when Chase seemed to be spending so much time with the McStays? Did she wonder where he was? And all those hours he spent at the casino? Back in the day, I recall reading that they were living in a trailer. Not his but hers. They were care takers at a house and living in the trailer on the property. Does anyone remember this?

 

[Edmo]

It will come to you. It's in there somewhere along with so many other things. So many other things that it takes some time to retrieve it. That's what I have been told. So I am sticking with it.

@Recidivist named it : PACER. Ty Recid !!!

 

[Edmo]

For medical bills? In my experience I know of maybe 2 or 3 dozen people in my lifetime (family, friends, acquaintances) who've been sought after for medical bills, I've never heard of one of them being sued. People will talk about their credit and such, those with questionable credit almost always say "I have some unpaid medical stuff". But again this just my own personal experience. And yes, my credit is clean lol.

Honestly, I don't know about medical bills, unless they were sued and had a judgment against them. I do know that a lien/judgment, no matter what the purpose was for, CAN be collected against a defendant with a lien/court order/judgment, IF the Plaintiff KNEW where to collect it from: personal property/home/bank accts.

I've served such liens/judgments to Liquor Stores/homes/businesses that were sued and lost their case in court.

 

[missy1974]

They can usually do a background search on your Social Security Number to find any account they can collect from, if they have an public account to collect from.

With all due respect, it happens every day. You can get a lien/judgment AND collect "if" you know the defendant's property/home/bank account information TO collect from. It basically works the same as a warrant, if you KNOW where to collect/capture someone.

And then they change accounts... or jobs, etc. Ever try to collect child support? LOL it's the same idea, just a different debt. Here, I think Maintenance (child support) offices actually have more power, but this is what dead beat parents do. They catch up to them, so they change accounts, or they change jobs, then it takes time, and they do the same thing again...

I am not sure it's at all related, but I am just looking for a reason to why he was cashing cheques and did his banking the way he did long before he was accused of murder. This seems like a reasonable explanation. Now having that much cash in your hands is awfully tempting for someone that also has a gambling addiction, that I can agree with LOL but no way to well how much he did or didn't use in a casino, just like it's hard to tell how much he did and didn't walk out of a casino with. JMO

 

[citygirl]

According to Search Warrants Chase had not been living with Jarvis for years when arrested. He had a new live-in girlfriend. There are no published accounts of Jarvis's feelings about any of this. He had 100k in medical bills. That can wipe a lot of people out.

True. But did it wipe him out?

 

[Recidivist]

According to Search Warrants Chase had not been living with Jarvis for years when arrested. He had a new live-in girlfriend. There are no published accounts of Jarvis's feelings about any of this. He had 100k in medical bills. That can wipe a lot of people out.

I doubt Jarvis was thrilled every month when he gambled away the rent money, leaving her alone with the kids for hours and days at a time.

And I am going out on a limb here, and stating I really doubt he paid even one dollar towards any outstanding medical bills.

I can understand your sense of justice in all of this. I don't want to see an innocent man imprisoned for something he did not do either. But to raise this man up as though he is a good and decent man, is not something he is worthy of.

imo...of course.

 

[missy1974]

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Did I miss something from the testimony this week? I don't recall this at all, just the DT questioning Smith about the copies of checks written from Chase's account that were provided by the bank in response to the search warrant and why they weren't turned over to the forensic accountant. Rodriguez told him that they didn't have the records. Smith claimed they overlooked them.

I have not watched all the testimony so really can't comment with full knowledge. But I do try to avoid the "news" sites or articles. It also shows just how different the testimony can be heard or interpreted.