CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #8

[missy1974]

Yes, correct, there is.

On 6/18/2009 the probate report reads...

Defendant is not present in court, but represented by Rosann Scoloveno Deputy Public Defender. Counsel represents to the court that the defendant is ill and cannot attend court this date. Medical records are filed and placed in the confidential envelope within the case file.

Interesting ... his bench warrant was issued on September 29/09. Starting on October 16th is when he started "cashing" cheques.

I don't know a lot about the process... but once he didn't appear and a warrant was issued, does he not owe the surety company that posted his bail?

IF what Chase said in his interview is true, he said he didn't show for court because of a heart attack, that's when the warrant was issued, this would be the Sept 29/09 date.

ETA: He did cash some cheques before then, but the bulk of them were after Sept 29/09.

 

[JMarsh]

Interesting ... his bench warrant was issued on September 29/09. Starting on October 16th is when he started "cashing" cheques.

I don't know a lot about the process... but once he didn't appear and a warrant was issued, does he not owe the surety company that posted his bail?

IF what Chase said in his interview is true, he said he didn't show for court because of a heart attack, that's when the warrant was issued, this would be the Sept 29/09 date.

ETA: He did cash some cheques before then, but the bulk of them were after Sept 29/09.

What do you mean by "cashing" checks?

 

[missy1974]

What do you mean by "cashing" checks?

not depositing them into the bank, he would cash the full amounts. That is my understanding.

I would do a snip, but it's not very clear. I have it at 1:02 of this youtube and you can see the list of cheques not deposited, but cashed. (Going back to this testimony now, I've done a lot of muting and just looking at the exhibits lol I like that I can get a preview on the scroll bar and just find what I'm looking for when I'm looking for it haha)

 

[JMarsh]

not depositing them into the bank, he would cash the full amounts. That is my understanding.

I would do a snip, but it's not very clear. I have it at 1:02 of this youtube and you can see the list of cheques not deposited, but cashed. (Going back to this testimony now, I've done a lot of muting and just looking at the exhibits lol I like that I can get a preview on the scroll bar and just find what I'm looking for when I'm looking for it haha)

Oh. I see what you mean.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes, correct, there is.

On 6/18/2009 the probate report reads...

Defendant is not present in court, but represented by Rosann Scoloveno Deputy Public Defender. Counsel represents to the court that the defendant is ill and cannot attend court this date. Medical records are filed and placed in the confidential envelope within the case file.

I just watched a case on ID where a murderer wanted to be bonded out, after having no bond set for him, claiming he had cancer, and needed treatent on the outside.

The judge released the murder defendant because of his claims, who of course didnt show back up for trial.

What shocked me the most is they had the actual judge on the case commenting. He said if the defendant tells them they have cancer, or some other illness, they must take the word of the defendant. He said the court had no right to be given his confidential medical records proving what he simply told the court.

It may have been one of John Walsh's In Pursuit shows. Iirc, the defendant still hasn't been found, and still is in the run. Oh, it was disclosed later on after he had absconded, he had never had cancer nor sought any treatment.

Imo

 

[missy1974]

I just watched a case on ID where a murderer wanted to be bonded out, after having no bond set for him, claiming he had cancer, and needed treatent on the outside.

The judge released the murder defendant, who of course didnt show up back up for trial.

What shocked me the most is they had the actual judge on the case commenting. He said if the defendant tells them they have cancer, or some other illness, they must take the word of the defendant. He said the court had no right to be given is confidential medical records proving what he simply told the court.

It may have been one of John Walsh's In Pursuit shows. Iirc, the defendant still hasn't been found, and still is in the run. Oh, it was disclosed later on after he had absconded, he had never had cancer nor any treatment.

Imo

But in this case it is noted...

Defendant is not present in court, but represented by Rosann Scoloveno Deputy Public Defender. Counsel represents to the court that the defendant is ill and cannot attend court this date. Medical records are filed and placed in the confidential envelope within the case file.

 

[Force Ten]

I just watched a case on ID where a murderer wanted to be bonded out, after having no bond set for him, claiming he had cancer, and needed treatent on the outside.

The judge released the murder defendant because of his claims, who of course didnt show back up for trial.

What shocked me the most is they had the actual judge on the case commenting. He said if the defendant tells them they have cancer, or some other illness, they must take the word of the defendant. He said the court had no right to be given his confidential medical records proving what he simply told the court.

It may have been one of John Walsh's In Pursuit shows. Iirc, the defendant still hasn't been found, and still is in the run. Oh, it was disclosed later on after he had absconded, he had never had cancer nor sought any treatment.

Imo

Interesting loophole.

Sssssshhhhh Chase might hear you.

 

[Recidivist]

Wow! So in addition to the $67k EIP fraud loan also the $20k BofA line of credit?!! Thanks Helen. I wasn’t aware MM was behind the BofA lawsuit, too.

MM is not the defendant in this trial.

 

[Longtimenoc]

Interesting loophole.

Sssssshhhhh Chase might hear you.

Maybe he has a history of the 3 hots and a cot in the local psych ward. Those sort of medical records are super secret ultra protected.

 

[Edmo]

I don't know how relevant it is or isn't to be honest... but you guys asked for the info... JMarsh is giving it... that's all It's information in the SW's and in another court document. This is not out of a book, and it's not coming from Dan.

I would like to know if/when he had a heart attack and stents because I'm nosey like that and we had this discussion before a few threads ago... about what someone is limited to if they have stents put in, and when he had them put in, etc. I don't know if his defense team now is saying he wasn't physically capable of doing these murders/burying of the bodies... but I think along the way his legal team has said that? So that's the only relevance I can see. Maybe this is the reason that the prosecutor said in his opening statement that 'we can't tell you if he did it alone'?

IF CM had a heart attack prior to the MS family going missing, I am 100% SURE his DT will introduce those records.

 

[Force Ten]

CA law states that the state has to submit a list of witnesses before trial but doesn't have to disclose what they're going to say before they testify.

The witnesses in question are being presented either as expert witnesses or are investigators--and actually the content of what these witnesses will testify to, does, in fact, have to be revealed to the defense prior to testimony being given.

There is an alarming gap between reasonable logic and legal viewpoint here. I think I'll stick with the attorney on this. And the judge who allowed the testimony.

The content is already in evidence, the defense had it as well without question.

Why haven't they mapped the towers to support their client's innocence?

Could it be that it wouldn't? The witness testified to their interpretation of the location of towers in relation to a casino.

Because he had put it into a spreadsheet for the jury to have an easier grasp is not going have any eroding effect for the defendant's right to a fair trial.

Although it may present a clearer perspective into his guilt. I guess that's why some may have issue with it.

Poor, poor Chase. So little time left.

 

[Edmo]

I believe CM is guilty. I also believe he is telling the truth about his heart attack and the hospital bill. I don't have proof of it.

I am not a cardiac nurse, but i am an RN. He could have been having chest pain and went to the ED. If he had positive troponins and EKG changes it would be classified as a myocardial infarction. A person can just have slightly elevated troponins and small EKG changes. They likely took him to the cath lab for stents at that time. Easy to rack up 100k in charges, even if was just there overnight, which is entirely possible for an MI with stents.

I can see him having a heart attack AFTER the murders as well. Killing 4 people would give me some stress too!

 

[Edmo]

Ok.. stupid question maybe ... but would that water "stand" there for a bit? With the ground being so dry, it doesn't get absorbed right away, right? We have had downpours after dry conditions and that's what happens, even in my backyard or garden lol So I'm thinking in conditions like the desert, it would be even worse.

Where they were buried was in a "wash" area, right? A wash area is full of sand and can absorb water much easier than clay/decomposing granite. Flash floods usually happen close to mountains/valleys from the quick runoff. The graves could have had water rushing over them that weekend. I doubt there would have been any standing water over them though, just due to the terrain and sand, IMO.

 

[missy1974]

MM is not the defendant in this trial.

But EIP is part of the trial, isn't it?

 

[Force Ten]

MM is not the defendant in this trial.

This is my fault. Someone brought up the lawsuit against EIP and I suggested Mike was behind it based on information posted here in the past. I don't think anyone is trying to throw shade on MM, including myself.

 

[missy1974]

IF CM had a heart attack prior to the MS family going missing, I am 100% SURE his DT will introduce those records.

I don't know if they would... what are they going to gain? I think even here on WS's most realize that having a heart attack doesn't mean he couldn't do something months later. Stents, if really recent, may have caused him some issue, but I don't know if it can be said that it could stop him from doing something physical either. We haven't heard about it from either side, other than in his interview that they played. IF it's not true, the prosecution might want to address, because the juror's did hear that.

 

[missy1974]

There is an alarming gap between reasonable logic and legal viewpoint here. I think I'll stick with the attorney on this. And the judge who allowed the testimony.

The content is already in evidence, the defense had it as well without question.

Why haven't they mapped the towers to support their client's innocence?

Could it be that it wouldn't? The witness testified to their interpretation of the location of towers in relation to a casino.

Because he had put it into a spreadsheet for the jury to have an easier grasp is not going have any eroding effect for the defendant's right to a fair trial.

Although it may present a clearer perspective into his guilt. I guess that's why some may have issue with it.

Poor, poor Chase. So little time left.

BBM We don't know what they have and haven't done.

In the end, I actually think what he showed supports that he had large time gaps, especially when he was gambling.

 

[missy1974]

I can see him having a heart attack AFTER the murders as well. Killing 4 people would give me some stress too!

or losing the money train...

 

[Force Ten]

I can see him having a heart attack AFTER the murders as well. Killing 4 people would give me some stress too!

Well he told detectives he had a heart attack before the disappearance. I still have trouble believing any of it. Aside from his interview, we know from his past attorneys he has CHF and documents that he has or had health issues.

He must have had a full recovery when he hopped that fence and climbed the mountain.

 

[Edmo]

I don't know if they would... what are they going to gain? I think even here on WS's most realize that having a heart attack doesn't mean he couldn't do something months later. Stents, if really recent, may have caused him some issue, but I don't know if it can be said that it could stop him from doing something physical either. We haven't heard about it from either side, other than in his interview that they played. IF it's not true, the prosecution might want to address, because the juror's did hear that.

Gain: If ONE juror has had a heart attack/stents, that could be his ticket out of the case. To feeble to commit this by himself, IMO.

MOST people who have heart attacks usually have to have a lifestyle change (smoking/drinking/drugs etc) in order not to have another one.