CA - Jonathan Gerrish, Ellen Chung, daughter, 1 & dog, suspicious death hiking area, Aug 2021 #5

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  • #81
I actually was working on a theory at one point that JG had top secret technology (even perhaps on him), and someone might have wanted it. I was dimly remembering the time an Apple engineer inadvertently left a top secret beta build of some new hardware item at a restaurant (?), so I knew that top engineers use non-public technology as an everyday kind of thing.
I was wondering at one point if he was perhaps developing a new hiking app for Snap. He had quit using AllTrails a few months earlier but was, according to family friends, still hiking on weekends. So maybe this was a beta test hike.
 
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I was wondering at one point if he was perhaps developing a new hiking app for Snap. He had quit using AllTrails a few months earlier but was, according to family friends, still hiking on weekends. So maybe this was a beta test hike.
Good thought. Based on our confusion here it appears a good app would be welcomed by the hiking community
 
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This is my speculation only. I'm not convinced that their deaths were accidental. It just strikes me as odd that 1) all of them were affected, and 2) no one else was.

Further, whatever happened was either so fast-acting or so severe that they didn't return to the car (granted, I have no idea how far they were from where they parked -- maybe they were on their way back).

My (very unprofessional) opinion is that they were purposefully poisoned, including the dog food/treats. Maybe before they even left their vehicle to start hiking. This just my total speculation on how they all died so suddenly and together.
I don't think it's odd at all. 1. All of them were simultaneously exposed to extreme heat (103-109F, according to the sheriff) and sun, and except for the baby they had all just hiked 1.5 miles up a steep trail with about 1000' of elevation gain. 2. No one else was there to be similarly affected, because it's not a good idea, to put it mildly. MOO.
 
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One thing notably absent from the “ruled out” list is Rx drugs. Also, overdose (accidental death). Some of the most powerful drugs known are “legal” when prescribed for proper use.

It is not difficult for a drug to be added to food, beverage or weed. We don’t know if the family went out for breakfast or if someone brought food to their home.

Since we are on hold for “key tox’ reports” it seems logical to assume CoD will be something that only tox’ analysis can determine, including environmental toxins.

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MOO and I certainly have no idea if anyone wished this family harm.
 
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While they’re at it, develop an overheating app too. No not a thermometer, something that gives a pre warning. Though replicant illness does seal your heat in your body till you overheat badly. Maybe Jon / Ellen had that too. MHO. Strange, I’ve actually swum down rivers one could drink from. But they were straight from mountains. So I’ll just stay here treading water like everyone else, watching out for flying bulldozers. Beats walking up that hill in that heat.
 
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I don't think it's odd at all. 1. All of them were simultaneously exposed to extreme heat (103-109F, according to the sheriff) and sun, and except for the baby they had all just hiked 1.5 miles up a steep trail with about 1000' of elevation gain. 2. No one else was there to be similarly affected, because it's not a good idea, to put it mildly. MOO.

Well, it seems odd (or initially seemed that way) to me that whatever happened killed all four together. However, when I took a step back (after reading posts by others) and realized the dog and baby were dependent upon J and E... particularly after the info that Oski was still attached (via lead) to Jon (and unable to move away) was released... it didn't seem so odd.

And, in a separate thought... I must admit, I've seen too many movies (i.e. Dark Waters) BUT even if toxins in public waterways could be fatal to some humans... I don't know that any deaths would be "easily" attributed to such toxins (even after some testing). I'm not a conspiracy-theorist, truely! But, I expect tomatoes to be thrown my way for this opinion but that's what I think (atm, anyway!). To each his/her own thoughts ! ;)
 
  • #87
Ita. I have believed this from the get go.
Not to beat a dead horse but “continued interviews” supports our (my) theory because it would be necessary to identify anyone that accessed the family’s home in recent days, anyone with a “beef”, and more…
All MOO

Moo.

I never believed this to be accidental, but m/s, my longstanding view, has been ruled out. Moo.
 
  • #88
Moo.

I never believed this to be accidental, but m/s, my longstanding view, has been ruled out. Moo.
Well, the “S”, not the “M”, per Briese. Linked previously, as you probably know. Everything else remains possible, if not on the list.
 
  • #89
A high five, kudos and big thanks to ALL for the respectful and responsible way everyone is posting on this thread. Could some of you go over to Gabby’s thread to be a positive influence on THAT challenging discussion? :rolleyes:
Kidding….not kidding…..maybe not :D

And just a few friendly reminders to keep this thread moving as smoothly as it has been:
- please stay away from stating or implying either of the adult victims might be responsible for a willful act of negligence or worse. They are considered VICTIMS on this victim-friendly forum, unless/until the authorities tell us differently.
- you may speculate broadly about the possibility of foul play at this point, as long as NO ONE in particular is mentioned or implicated. IOW, you could say maybe there was someone unknown to us who had a grudge of some sort against JG or EC and wanted to cause them harm. You may speculate about how that may have been accomplished. You MAY NOT post that it might be their friend, dentist, plumber, co-worker, etc. Those are all real people who may not be brought into this discussion at this time.
- this may be tricky to navigate, and we will have to be vigilant that the discussion not veer off into wild theory territory, but I am confident it can be accomplished, and this thread can do it!

coco


< Ho….Ho Ho! Don’t mind me, just getting into a holiday mood….it’s the first of October after all!! Thanks for the alert on the rogue Ho that made it’s way into my post . YIKES>
 
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I don't think it's odd at all. 1. All of them were simultaneously exposed to extreme heat (103-109F, according to the sheriff) and sun, and except for the baby they had all just hiked 1.5 miles up a steep trail with about 1000' of elevation gain. 2. No one else was there to be similarly affected, because it's not a good idea, to put it mildly. MOO.

Good point, I just presumed that they would have acted differently if suffering from heat stroke, like disrobing, ending up off trail, etc.
 
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Mariposa County Sheriff's Office
21 hrs ·
Gerrish / Chung Death Investigation Update

The Mariposa County Sheriff's Office continues to investigate the death of the Gerrish / Chung family. Detectives are working closely with toxicologist, environmental specialist, the FBI and other specialists.

“We respect and understand the need for information and details regarding this case. Our current priorities remain supporting and informing the Gerrish / Chung family during this tragic time. As we navigate through this investigation with the family, we will later share our findings with the public. “- Sheriff Jeremy Briese

Details we can update at this time:

General Information-
As of the date of this update the cause of death remains undetermined. Detectives continue conducting interviews and investigating all potential possible explanations for the death of the Gerrish / Chung family. Many toxicology reports have been completed; however, we are still pending a few key results. We have no timeline for those pending results.

Causes of Death Ruled Out: The following have been ruled out based on evidence recovered or through investigation. ALL other potential causes of death remain.

Gun or any other type of weapon
Lightning Strike
Carbon Monoxide
Carbon Dioxide
Cyanide Exposure
Illegal Drugs / Alcohol
Suicide

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Bumping 9/30 press release direct from Sheriff's office in case anybody missed words direct from his office.
 
  • #92
Maybe FBI is conducting final tox’ analysis. Every case is important to someone, only so many can be expedited, imo. I don’t think science can be rushed, either. Moo

Chemistry — FBI
 
  • #93
While they’re at it, develop an overheating app too. No not a thermometer, something that gives a pre warning. Though replicant illness does seal your heat in your body till you overheat badly. Maybe Jon / Ellen had that too. MHO. Strange, I’ve actually swum down rivers one could drink from. But they were straight from mountains. So I’ll just stay here treading water like everyone else, watching out for flying bulldozers. Beats walking up that hill in that heat.
BBM
There's nowhere in the world these days that has safe drinking water, even on glaciers, and definitely not on a mountain. Supposing a wild goat had peed in the water upstream? A moose pooped just yards away? An eagle let fly an hour or two ago? There's a dead fish in a pool of water just out of reach? Some jerk unzipped his fly and splashed a rock? Another camper did their dishes upstream and there was rotted meat?.....
They've found giardia and crypto everywhere. There are old dumps in the wilderness, and you'd never know they were oozing toxins unless you just happened to catch sight of the pink and yellow glop. Our sky rains plastic particles, ash, and fertilizer dust. And, as we know now, streams like the Merced, a lovely, fresh, mountain stream, crystal clear water, have toxic algae.
Pro tip: Take a filter everywhere (I prefer filters to do this job because they can remove particles from runoff.) backcountry in a developed country, like EU or US. A Lifestraw, Sawyer, MSR... something like that. Take a special filter that also removes viruses (or set your water up with iodine and then run it through your regular hiking filter) or Steripen for developing countries.
Incidentally, water run through a hiking filter tastes FAB. When I was thru-hiking the AT, I would get to town and couldn't tolerate the water, so I'd fill a sink and run the water through my filter, just so I could get a nice clean drink. And yes, I have filtered water out of a muddy puddle, and it was pretty dashed clean.

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IMO drinking Merced water wasn't the cause of whatever happened to the Gerrish-Chungs. If they'd ingested something, it would have hit them later IMO. Even if for some strange reason the heat and/or exertion sped things up, LE would have found signs of diarrhea or vomiting.
 
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No matter what scenario anyone here comes up with-- we always come back to the fact that this family was on one of these trails in brutal summer heat. Nothing changes that, except, maybe kidnapping and dropping them there. I would hope this LE team is astute enough to look for signs of such.
Nothing anyone has said changes the fact of a hike in the wrong weather on the wrong trail at the wrong time.

We ALL make mistakes, as @MrsEmmaPeel so eloquently shared with us of her own *close calls* with her own children. I've made similar mistakes with my family, one of which was almost fatal for ALL of us. It involved a collision with a freight train and it was my fault, albeit extenuating circumstances exacerbated the situation. MOO>>> I view this tragedy as akin to a swimmer who goes out into the surf for a routine swim and then gets caught up in a rip tide and perishes from exhaustion trying to swim back to shore. Maybe the swimmer ignored the *rip tide warnings* or they were completely unaware. Initially the victim(s) is oblivious to the dangers inherent in the activity they're about to embark on OR they determined that they could *manage* them. In this particular case we'll probably never know for sure, but as@MrsEmmaPeel points out>>> "Nothing anyone has said changes the fact of a hike in the wrong weather on the wrong trail at the wrong time"
 
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Good thought. Based on our confusion here it appears a good app would be welcomed by the hiking community
I agree a good app would be nice, but, pro tip: nothing substitutes for a paper/Tyvek topo map and compass. They're both in the "10 essentials", and are carried in addition to GPS facilitated devices ('cos as you can see in this case, there are no satellites in the line of sight). Maps on a phone are too small to appreciate hazards. For instance, a map for the Hites Cove area might be too small to provide enough detail (like exactly how many contours are involved) to get a real assessment of that canyon.
We had a lengthy discussion about the necessity for paper maps and compasses in the Dingley case. In the end, it likely didn't make a difference in the outcome, but there was at least a possibility that not having one contributed to a catastrophe.
 
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Well, it seems odd (or initially seemed that way) to me that whatever happened killed all four together. However, when I took a step back (after reading posts by others) and realized the dog and baby were dependent upon J and E... particularly after the info that Oski was still attached (via lead) to Jon (and unable to move away) was released... it didn't seem so odd.

And, in a separate thought... I must admit, I've seen too many movies (i.e. Dark Waters) BUT even if toxins in public waterways could be fatal to some humans... I don't know that any deaths would be "easily" attributed to such toxins (even after some testing). I'm not a conspiracy-theorist, truely! But, I expect tomatoes to be thrown my way for this opinion but that's what I think (atm, anyway!). To each his/her own thoughts ! ;)
There is a simple explanation that makes perfect sense to me, being someone who hiked and backpacked with his wife, baby, and dog. Love, and an impossible situation. Once they were half way up that hellish climb they had no way out. They were physically unable to continue up or retreat down to the safety of the river, and they couldn't survive there in that heat with the sun frying them. Abandon your dog, spouse, and baby? Or frantically tend to them, until you too are overcome by the heat? That's the way I read that scene. The real question is what drove them up that climb in that heat? Again, simple answers. They were running out of water and their baby was suffering in the heat. They were trying to get to the safety of their truck, only 3 miles away. But the steep climb, lack of shade, and extreme temperature doomed them. My opinion.
 
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