CA CA - Karlie Lain Gusé, 16, Mono County, 13 Oct 2018 #3

[Mauig’ma]

Karlie’s disappearance has always bothered me. It’s like she up and “poof” gone! No trace of her in all these years. Where are you Karlie?

 

[Noirdame79]

Where is Karlie Gusé ? Desperate search for young girl intensifies as mystery surrounds how, why she disappeared​

by Leigh Egan October 25, 2018

It’s been almost two weeks since a 16-year-old girl disappeared from her home in a small California town, and her family is desperate for her safe return. Her mother Lindsay joined “Crime Stories with Nancy Grace” on Thursday to express her fears over what may have happened to her daughter, as she continues to hit a brick wall when trying to get answers.

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“She was last seen in our community by two–well, three neighbors. One was the old guy who said around 6:30 [a.m.] and then two other neighbors said 7:30 [a.m.].”

Melissa also indicated that someone told her they saw someone who looked like Karlie at the corner of Highway 6, around a mile away from her family home, standing on the inside of a barbed wire fence.

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Lindsey indicated that the recording ended before she could determine if there indeed was some sort of altercation, but it left her feeling bewildered and worried. Lindsey is now pleading for help and hoping someone, somewhere will come forward with information.

Where is Karlie Gusé ? Desperate search for young girl intensifies as mystery surrounds how, why she disappeared

It’s been almost two weeks since a 16-year-old girl disappeared from her home in a small California town, and her family is desperate for her safe return. Her mother Lindsay joined “Crime Stories with Nancy Grace” on Thursday to express her fears over what may have happened to her daughter, as...

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[jenn83]

Still wondering where you are Karlie

 

[Mandala]

How can a young girl just disappear without a trace? No clues, just nothing. I’ve been following this case from the start. I hope this is solved one day.

 

[Noirdame79]

How can a young girl just disappear without a trace? No clues, just nothing. I’ve been following this case from the start. I hope this is solved one day.

Exactly. I hope we will have a resolution someday.

 

[Noirdame79]

While they say that her disappearace has gone national, there have been zero deeper looks into her disappearance. Why? If you look in my previous posts youll see ive done research in regards to interviews and karlie herself,if anyone finds anything else please let me know.

This is an earlier post, but I think it's worth revisiting. What Keithcandy said is true. Karlie's case has not gotten the attention that it should have gotten, from both the media and LE. It feels very deliberate, IMO. No doubt part of the reason is that missing teenagers are not given the same attention or priority as younger children who go missing, because teenagers are often presumed to be runaways. However, there is another reason, which I won't get into here, but if you've read my previous posts, you'll probably be able to guess.

 

[Noirdame79]

In a now-deleted Facebook comment, Karlie's stepmother, whom I will refer to by the initials MG, stated that when she brought Karlie home and for a few hours before she went to bed, Karlie was writing on a piece of paper, but would not let her stepmom see what she was writing. Two of the "eyewitnesses" said that the female they saw walking that morning was carrying a piece of paper. When Karlie's mother Lindsay arrived at the Guse residence in the afternoon after Karlie went missing, she was told by MG about the piece of paper that the witnesses saw the girl holding. Lindsay asked MG what the paper would be, and the stepmother replied that Karlie had a form for her counseling sessions that she was adamant about turning in on time; Lindsay didn't buy that, because it was a Saturday morning. MG did not mention the paper in any of her Facebook Live videos, in the interview for Nancy Grace's podcast a few weeks later, or in any other interviews from that time. It was only brought up on Dr. Phil because he mentioned it, and MG confirmed that "Karlie" was seen holding a piece of paper that morning but didn't elaborate. In the People Investigates documentary, it was mentioned that witnesses reported seeing someone supposedly matching Karlie's description holding a piece of paper. The only other mention of the paper was when MG stated that when she supposedly stayed in Karlie's room that night, at 5:45 am, Karlie was still awaking "writing and doodling on a piece of paper" and MG said she dozed off at around 6 am and when she awoke at 7:15 am, Karlie was "gone". She did not seem to attach any importance or significance to the piece of paper or what Karlie was writing in that interview.

In early November 2018, a volunteer ground search was conducted; MG and the volunteer search coordinator asked the volunteers to keep an eye out for the piece of paper and stressed that it was important.

The piece of paper is another strange part of this case. What was written on the piece of paper, and was it important or not?

MOO

 

[Mandala]

This is an earlier post, but I think it's worth revisiting. What Keithcandy said is true. Karlie's case has not gotten the attention that it should have gotten, from both the media and LE. It feels very deliberate, IMO. No doubt part of the reason is that missing teenagers are not given the same attention or priority as younger children who go missing, because teenagers are often presumed to be runaways. However, there is another reason, which I won't get into here, but if you've read my previous posts, you'll probably be able to guess.

How far back are these posts? I’m curious to know the other reason.

 

[Noirdame79]

How far back are these posts? I’m curious to know the other reason.

It goes back to page 4.

 

[jenn83]

In a now-deleted Facebook comment, Karlie's stepmother, whom I will refer to by the initials MG, stated that when she brought Karlie home and for a few hours before she went to bed, Karlie was writing on a piece of paper, but would not let her stepmom see what she was writing. Two of the "eyewitnesses" said that the female they saw walking that morning was carrying a piece of paper. When Karlie's mother Lindsay arrived at the Guse residence in the afternoon after Karlie went missing, she was told by MG about the piece of paper that the witnesses saw the girl holding. Lindsay asked MG what the paper would be, and the stepmother replied that Karlie had a form for her counseling sessions that she was adamant about turning in on time; Lindsay didn't buy that, because it was a Saturday morning. MG did not mention the paper in any of her Facebook Live videos, in the interview for Nancy Grace's podcast a few weeks later, or in any other interviews from that time. It was only brought up on Dr. Phil because he mentioned it, and MG confirmed that "Karlie" was seen holding a piece of paper that morning but didn't elaborate. In the People Investigates documentary, it was mentioned that witnesses reported seeing someone supposedly matching Karlie's description holding a piece of paper. The only other mention of the paper was when MG stated that when she supposedly stayed in Karlie's room that night, at 5:45 am, Karlie was still awaking "writing and doodling on a piece of paper" and MG said she dozed off at around 6 am and when she awoke at 7:15 am, Karlie was "gone". She did not seem to attach any importance or significance to the piece of paper or what Karlie was writing in that interview.

In early November 2018, a volunteer ground search was conducted; MG and the volunteer search coordinator asked the volunteers to keep an eye out for the piece of paper and stressed that it was important.

The piece of paper is another strange part of this case. What was written on the piece of paper, and was it important or not?

MOO

I highly doubt there was any piece of paper, and that MG just used that as another distraction tool.

 

[Seattle1]

I highly doubt there was any piece of paper, and that MG just used that as another distraction tool.

I vaguely recall the "white paper" Karlie was allegedly guarding but it had nothing to do with something she'd written or was doodling. IIRC, KG had been sent to attend the alternative school as punishment for some violation she was deemed guilty of at Bishop HS and had completed her "punishment" and the white paper was confirmation of her returning to Bishop HS on Monday. MOO

 

[ACG2x]

How can a young girl just disappear without a trace? No clues, just nothing. I’ve been following this case from the start. I hope this is solved one day.

It's scary and sad at the same time, but it happens more often than you think. The area she lived in at the time was somewhat remote and there were mountains and wilderness surrounding the lonely stretches of highway. I thought similar until I saw an aerial view of the neighborhood and surrounding areas. There are sadly too many places where a teenager who may have been under the influence of drugs could wander to and eventually get lost and have no way to find their way back.

 

[Noirdame79]

It's scary and sad at the same time, but it happens more often than you think. The area she lived in at the time was somewhat remote and there were mountains and wilderness surrounding the lonely stretches of highway. I thought similar until I saw an aerial view of the neighborhood and surrounding areas. There are sadly too many places where a teenager who may have been under the influence of drugs could wander to and eventually get lost and have no way to find their way back.

The surrounding area was searched that night and over the next several days, using night radar, etc. The whole "Karlie died in the desert" thing was a scam. Mountain lions in that area are tracked and they were ruled out.

 

[ACG2x]

The surrounding area was searched that night and over the next several days, using night radar, etc. The whole "Karlie died in the desert" thing was a scam. Mountain lions in that area are tracked and they were ruled out.

Since they never found her there or anywhere else, IDK if calling it a "scam" is accurate because we don't know. There's numerous areas she could've gotten into that radar wouldn't have covered. While I'm with you that LE did an extensive search, since she wasn't found anywhere I don't think you can really say that a particular theory is totally ruled out.

Really the theories IMO boil down to a few:

1. Karlie tried to run away or accepted a ride from a yet to be identified stranger who took her wherever they took her and she is either living a new life somewhere or was murdered by said person or someone else in whatever new location she went.
2. Karlie wandered off into the desert and surrounding area and died from the elements and LE searches missed her body.
3. Karlie's stepmother or someone else in the house killed or hurt her and then covered it up.

I personally ranked them in order of likelihood based on what we know now and unfortunately do not believe Karlie is still alive - the chance of that is extremely low. #3 has never made any sense outside of the wilder theories posted elsewhere with 'evidence' such as "SM lied about her wearing jeans" and "SM seems shady". My signature includes Occam's Razor and #3 is the antithesis of that if you apply common sense and the fact that LE investigated both step parents repeatedly and found no evidence of involvement so I refuse to believe that the SM was this master criminal that could evade all investigatory bodies involved on the case.

So we're down to #1 or #2 or some offshoot of those. Had #2 occurred, I hear you that it seems likely that someone either via the search or after just out in the desert for whatever reason came across her remains which could be identified through DNA.

I normally don't opt for #1 at first because the sheer coincidence or happenstance that would cause a stranger with bad intentions to come across her at the exact time she left home in a drug-induced haze is up there, but I'm not sure what else even applies here.

 

[ACG2x]

It was only brought up on Dr. Phil because he mentioned it, and MG confirmed that "Karlie" was seen holding a piece of paper that morning but didn't elaborate. In the People Investigates documentary, it was mentioned that witnesses reported seeing someone supposedly matching Karlie's description holding a piece of paper. The only other mention of the paper was when MG stated that when she supposedly stayed in Karlie's room that night, at 5:45 am, Karlie was still awaking "writing and doodling on a piece of paper" and MG said she dozed off at around 6 am and when she awoke at 7:15 am, Karlie was "gone". She did not seem to attach any importance or significance to the piece of paper or what Karlie was writing in that interview.

In early November 2018, a volunteer ground search was conducted; MG and the volunteer search coordinator asked the volunteers to keep an eye out for the piece of paper and stressed that it was important.

The piece of paper is another strange part of this case. What was written on the piece of paper, and was it important or not?

MOO

It could've been that MG thought it was important but in reality it was just her writing/doodling/scribbling due to her drug-induced situation. If she was experiencing some type of medical situation due to the marijuana she admittedly smoked with DA and friends the night before and was incoherently rambling about how people are going to kill her, the paper could've been just random ramblings that Karlie thought had some significance but weren't rooted in reality.

Based on multiple observations of her and the recordings MG made that have been released, I'm really not convinced Karlie was lucid and knew what she was saying. Sadly we'll never know the exact effect internally that smoking had on her but by all accounts, that was not the normal Karlie so had she written or scribbled something nonsensical, it wouldn't have surprised me at all.

 

[ACG2x]

If she was in Tonopah in 2021, I would have to think that she was working in one of the legal brothels along that trucking route in Nevada. As creepy as they are, they do know the rules about verifying ages of their workers, so I don't think she would have ended up working there for 3 years underaged, as she looks very young.

I remember having to read a few books about the brothel industry for a criminality and deviance class. The industry is a lot more regulated than you'd think for a bunch of 'ranches' on remote highway stretches of Nevada.

The counties that have legalized brothels only grant (or granted) so many licenses and the competition is pretty fierce. Even the writer who followed multiple women who work in brothels to study the industry said the regulations were surprisingly rigorous and left no room for interpretation on age or appearance. Everyone who steps foot in a brothel to work was independently age verified so I think the chance of legal brothel work is low since she was under 21.

Can't really say if she was illegally sex trafficked or not - but if she was picked up by a random stranger with bad intentions, can't totally rule it out.

 

[ACG2x]

Based on the information presented by the People Magazine Investigates program, my speculation is that Karlie was experiencing a psychotic break due to ...? She was afraid to stay at her boyfriend's and was literally running down the road away from his place. She was afraid of her stepmother and verbalized that on a recording made of her by the stepmother. Three different witnesses saw Karlie walking down the street with a piece of paper in her hand. She had changed clothes and was headed in the direction of the highway.

My theory is that the piece of paper was a hitchhiking sign so to speak. She appeared to feel unsafe and desperately wanted to get away, it seems to me. Someone in a vehicle helped her do that.

Was she murdered? Did she OD?

I doubt she is still alive. I would love to be wrong about that.

(All speculation, theories and opinions are mine only)

This is an extremely interesting theory - never thought about it before. Great point! It's even possible she wrote something more urgent on the paper like "HELP ME" etc. which could get passersby to stop quicker than the traditional thumb sticking out gesture to hitchhike. Had she written something like that on the paper, that could be why she held it close to her and refused to show anyone - which I'm guessing was your point

 

[truthfinder2019]

Bumping for Karlie, so that she is not forgotten

 

[Noirdame79]

There has been zero updates on that tip from Tonopah. I think it was thrown out there for the documentary, since the whole "Karlie died in the desert" theory didn't pan out. The Sheriff is shady and has been since her days with the LAPD. There tends to be a lot of corruption in rural counties.

There is no reason for the dad and stepmom to change their story multiple times and be so evasive if they were being honest. There's too much about their story and behavior that doesn't add up.

JMO.

 

[truthfinder2019]

Can I have your opinions on a FB profile by the same name and surname with an “r” between the g and the u ? The only photo was uploaded in sept 2019.
Thank you