CA CA - Karlie Lain Gusé, 16, Mono County, 13 Oct 2018

[gitana1]

If Karlie made it to the 6 & disappeared what can Mono county do. It is my feeling that most posters feel the parents are guilty of something. So, where is her body. When did they remove her from the house. Will further searches find her. How did she die.

That's a very good question. If we believe that the stepmom took her sons out of the house around 5:30 am she would then have from then until around 9:30 am (?) when they reported Karlie missing. So that's a long time to be able to dispose of someone.

And her reports of damage to her Toyota Corolla from going over "boulders" looking for Karlie certainly suggests she was off road at some point.

But too much is unknown.

Where would they put her? All those searches and nothing was found.

The fact is, no head start from LE would change the outcome of a cadaver dog search. Either they can detect remains or they can't. Its not fool proof but getting a 20 minute heads up isn't going to change the outcome. Cadaver dogs detected nothing.

We would need to know exactly when she took her sons from the house.

We would also need to know the exact time the child was reported missing.

Then, how far can a Toyota go in that anount of time? What radius?

But we don't have that info and are unlikely to.

 

[gitana1]

Maybe there was no evidence to collect.

Right. And no reason to think there would be. No LE agency treats the home of a recently missing kid as a crime scene upon arrival unless they saw obviosuw igbs if foul play. They need a lot more to do that because most kids are quickly found after being reported missing, or they end up having left voluntarily and there's no crime.

 

[MimosaMornings]

The “dream house” they bought in August didn’t have a ring doorbell camera or something similar? And none of the neighbors did either?
It’s kind of the norm here, perhaps it’s not there - I don’t know the area.

 

[Seattle1]

From the beginning, I was perplexed by SM, her means and methods, and the changing stories. After watching Dad on Dr Phil, I know wondering if SM is actually covering for him.

Did he cause Karlie to leave the home late Friday or early Saturday morning, and for whatever reason Karlie never came back?

I can't get past the look Dad had when it was suggested that Karlie was picked up on the highway. He just seemed very happy at that moment. MOO

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

I just keep coming back to this exchange, probably because IMO, it’s so representative of much of what we’ve heard from ZG and MG:

“‘Melissa, you told NBC, the next morning that at 5:45 a.m., you did your usual routine of opening up the kids’ doors, saying good morning, getting them ready for school -- that sort of thing. Did you – she was still in bed at that time. Did you go back and lay down?’ Dr. Phil asked Melissa on the show which aired on March 25, 2019.

‘No. That – the Dateline NBC?’ Melissa answered. ‘Yeah, that was a false story. Because I wasn’t – it was a lie about checking in on Karlie. Because it was in the beginning, and I didn’t know what to say and – I shouldn’t have even done the interview.’

Karlie’s father Zachary was also on set with Dr. Phil.

‘It was too early. You don’t know what to do,’ Zachary told Dr. Phil. ‘There’s no handbook for this, man.’” (BBM)
Sixteen-year-old Karlie Gusé missing after vanishing from California home

For whatever it’s worth, here are my interpretations of the parents’ statements:
“Yeah, that was a false story”: “I made it up. So what? Why are you even asking about it?”

“Because I wasn’t ... in on Karlie.”: “It was just about checking in on her. It’s a non-issue. What’s the big deal about lying?”
I’m very curious as to why she stopped herself after the “Because I wasn’t ....”

“Because it was ... done the interview.”: The statement makes no sense, IMO. What difference does it make that it was soon after Karlie disappeared? There is no logic to what she says here, IMO. Why does she regret doing the interview, while she apparently doesn’t see a problem with the fact that she lied?

“It was too ... what to do” and “There’s no handbook for this, man”: Non-answer, IMO.

Why not just give a straight answer?

 

[DissociativeFugue]

My Opinion Only: This wasn’t an abduction. This was an unintentional death followed by a cover up by the SM & BD in order to avoid potential liability for her death & seeming neglectful.

1) I don’t think the parents supplied the drugs. I think whatever she ingested was indeed taken at that party.
2) I don’t think it was just marijuana, but it’s completely possible. Apparently, she was a smoker. She could have done “dabs,” eaten edibles, or just smoked way too much, or smoked a very potent strain that she was not used to. However, I’m guessing she either smoked Spice or K2 (synthetic marijuana). I know the audio that SM took is not public but most of what is described fits with how people act after smoking this stuff. I used to work in ER and saw it way too much. Of course, there’s a chance that whatever they smoked was laced, but apparently she was the only one that experienced these side effects. Don’t know how true that is, though. If there were other drugs on board my best guesses would be methamphetamine, LSD, or MDMA (in order of most to least probable, in my opinion).
3) I think Karlie died at some point while the SM was asleep due to an overdose causing some type of heart issue. Many young people have heart defects that they never know about until something happens randomly or something like drugs precipitates a heart issue. My best guess would be an arrhythmia. Maybe a seizure? Karlie requested 911 and ominously felt as though she was going to die at times (although this is a debated topic and we won’t really know what she said or her state of mind unless we hear that audio recording at some point).
4) SM wakes up to find an unresponsive Karlie and freaks out and she and BD decide to dispose of her body and stage a Missing Person scenario out of fear of potential liability for her death due to lack of medical care that night.
5) I think she will eventually be found close to home or within 100 miles (at the most).
6) I think she will be found within a year (at most).

NONE OF THIS IS FACT.

It is only my opinion as to what I think went down.

I hope she can be found and either returned safely to her family or properly laid to rest.

 

[DissociativeFugue]

Other Potential Theories:

- Injury caused by SM during pickup from party (head injury) and subsequent disposal of body out of fear

- Karlie was kicked out of the house as punishment for the drug use and a random accidentally ran into her as she was walking around disoriented and either random disposed of her body out of fear OR SM/BD could have found her and worried that they would be held liable and thus disposed of body out of fear

- Karlie wandered out of the house and while walking around disoriented and under the influence, a random accidentally ran into her causing bodily injury; random disposed body out of fear

And then, to ME, the least likely scenarios, in no particular order:

- Wandered out of home disoriented and under the influence and succumbed to the elements (Why Unlikely? Would have been found by now IMO)

- Sex Trafficking (IDK ... I just don’t think this is the case but it would certainly not be unheard of)

- Abduction (Why Unlikely? The time of day IMO)

*** This is all My Opinion Only and NOTHING is being presented as fact in this post! ***

 

[bwt42]

My Opinion Only: This wasn’t an abduction. This was an unintentional death followed by a cover up by the SM & BD in order to avoid potential liability for her death & seeming neglectful.

1) I don’t think the parents supplied the drugs. I think whatever she ingested was indeed taken at that party.
2) I don’t think it was just marijuana, but it’s completely possible. Apparently, she was a smoker. She could have done “dabs,” eaten edibles, or just smoked way too much, or smoked a very potent strain that she was not used to. However, I’m guessing she either smoked Spice or K2 (synthetic marijuana). I know the audio that SM took is not public but most of what is described fits with how people act after smoking this stuff. I used to work in ER and saw it way too much. Of course, there’s a chance that whatever they smoked was laced, but apparently she was the only one that experienced these side effects. Don’t know how true that is, though. If there were other drugs on board my best guesses would be methamphetamine, LSD, or MDMA (in order of most to least probable, in my opinion).
3) I think Karlie died at some point while the SM was asleep due to an overdose causing some type of heart issue. Many young people have heart defects that they never know about until something happens randomly or something like drugs precipitates a heart issue. My best guess would be an arrhythmia. Maybe a seizure? Karlie requested 911 and ominously felt as though she was going to die at times (although this is a debated topic and we won’t really know what she said or her state of mind unless we hear that audio recording at some point).
4) SM wakes up to find an unresponsive Karlie and freaks out and she and BD decide to dispose of her body and stage a Missing Person scenario out of fear of potential liability for her death due to lack of medical care that night.
5) I think she will eventually be found close to home or within 100 miles (at the most).
6) I think she will be found within a year (at most).

NONE OF THIS IS FACT.

It is only my opinion as to what I think went down.

I hope she can be found and either returned safely to her family or properly laid to rest.

I think potential liability due to lack of medical care is a stretch. But that's me. I don't know their mindset.

 

[DissociativeFugue]

@bwt42
I certainly respect that!

 

[PickledGinger]

Even at 5’7” I don’t see Karlie being able to reach the steering wheel from the backseat. Specifically from behind the driver seat. The whole comment about her hopping in the car behind the driver was suspicious. How is that quicker than getting into the passenger side? Doubt she was driving on the wrong side of the road..
I think she came up with that story to explain her DNA in the back seat.
She mentioned Karlie was running toward the car, did her friends say she left in a panic?

I’d have to rewatch to get the exact quote, but on Dr Phil, Zac was asked whether he thought Melissa was involved in the death of his daughter. He said he didn’t believe so or something to that affect.
Wasn’t he there the whole night?
Asleep and/or standing in front of Karlie in a corner?
And “standing in front of her in a corner” was a weird statement itself. Who does that?

And why did Melissa say she dozed off next to Karlie after the last text, if she had been preparing the boys to go to their uncle’s house?

Perhaps not to immediately place Zac alone with Karlie when she disappeared?



And the most obvious question:
WHY LIE??

 

[Sunshine6812]

Ok. I read it. She is not suing the department. It's a letter complaining about the handling of the case.

It isn't a request to e allowed to sue either, which is required before suing a governmental agency.

So mom is upset and has made allegations about the handling of the case which the MCSD has denied.

It is interesting. Thank you for this link!!

That wasn’t what I was referring in regards to being sued but yes that is the complaint filed

 

[gitana1]

That wasn’t what I was referring in regards to being sued but yes that is the complaint filed

Ok thanks. So are they also being sued? If so by whom? And for what?

 

[gitana1]

From the beginning, I was perplexed by SM, her means and methods, and the changing stories. After watching Dad on Dr Phil, I know wondering if SM is actually covering for him.

Did he cause Karlie to leave the home late Friday or early Saturday morning, and for whatever reason Karlie never came back?

I can't get past the look Dad had when it was suggested that Karlie was picked up on the highway. He just seemed very happy at that moment. MOO

Relieved.

 

[gitana1]

My Opinion Only: This wasn’t an abduction. This was an unintentional death followed by a cover up by the SM & BD in order to avoid potential liability for her death & seeming neglectful.

1) I don’t think the parents supplied the drugs. I think whatever she ingested was indeed taken at that party.
2) I don’t think it was just marijuana, but it’s completely possible. Apparently, she was a smoker. She could have done “dabs,” eaten edibles, or just smoked way too much, or smoked a very potent strain that she was not used to. However, I’m guessing she either smoked Spice or K2 (synthetic marijuana). I know the audio that SM took is not public but most of what is described fits with how people act after smoking this stuff. I used to work in ER and saw it way too much. Of course, there’s a chance that whatever they smoked was laced, but apparently she was the only one that experienced these side effects. Don’t know how true that is, though. If there were other drugs on board my best guesses would be methamphetamine, LSD, or MDMA (in order of most to least probable, in my opinion).
3) I think Karlie died at some point while the SM was asleep due to an overdose causing some type of heart issue. Many young people have heart defects that they never know about until something happens randomly or something like drugs precipitates a heart issue. My best guess would be an arrhythmia. Maybe a seizure? Karlie requested 911 and ominously felt as though she was going to die at times (although this is a debated topic and we won’t really know what she said or her state of mind unless we hear that audio recording at some point).
4) SM wakes up to find an unresponsive Karlie and freaks out and she and BD decide to dispose of her body and stage a Missing Person scenario out of fear of potential liability for her death due to lack of medical care that night.
5) I think she will eventually be found close to home or within 100 miles (at the most).
6) I think she will be found within a year (at most).

NONE OF THIS IS FACT.

It is only my opinion as to what I think went down.

I hope she can be found and either returned safely to her family or properly laid to rest.

It's a good theory. I hope you're right that they find her.

 

[gitana1]

Other Potential Theories:

- Injury caused by SM during pickup from party (head injury) and subsequent disposal of body out of fear

- Karlie was kicked out of the house as punishment for the drug use and a random accidentally ran into her as she was walking around disoriented and either random disposed of her body out of fear OR SM/BD could have found her and worried that they would be held liable and thus disposed of body out of fear

- Karlie wandered out of the house and while walking around disoriented and under the influence, a random accidentally ran into her causing bodily injury; random disposed body out of fear

And then, to ME, the least likely scenarios, in no particular order:

- Wandered out of home disoriented and under the influence and succumbed to the elements (Why Unlikely? Would have been found by now IMO)

- Sex Trafficking (IDK ... I just don’t think this is the case but it would certainly not be unheard of)

- Abduction (Why Unlikely? The time of day IMO)

*** This is all My Opinion Only and NOTHING is being presented as fact in this post! ***

Time of day also eliminates sex trafficking for me. They're not up at that time. Work is over and they're asleep, usually liquored up by then.

If it was 3:00 am? 12:00 pm? Ok.

 

[gitana1]

I think potential liability due to lack of medical care is a stretch. But that's me. I don't know their mindset.

It does seem very weird. Not in keeping with normal human behavior. People instinctively call the police for help even when it seems all hope is lost. Like they will do CPR on a kid in full rigor. You know?

But watching their demeanor I am not seeing love from either of them toward Karlie. I really don't. So it's possible that their selfishness was where their instinct lies? I don't know.

Dad had been drinking. Stepmom could've been high herself. Hey have two other kids. It's possible if something happened they'd fear child neglect charges. Which could be why they didn't take her to the hospital.

I don't know. It's all speculation.

 

[gitana1]

My Opinion Only: This wasn’t an abduction. This was an unintentional death followed by a cover up by the SM & BD in order to avoid potential liability for her death & seeming neglectful.

1) I don’t think the parents supplied the drugs. I think whatever she ingested was indeed taken at that party.
2) I don’t think it was just marijuana, but it’s completely possible. Apparently, she was a smoker. She could have done “dabs,” eaten edibles, or just smoked way too much, or smoked a very potent strain that she was not used to. However, I’m guessing she either smoked Spice or K2 (synthetic marijuana). I know the audio that SM took is not public but most of what is described fits with how people act after smoking this stuff. I used to work in ER and saw it way too much. Of course, there’s a chance that whatever they smoked was laced, but apparently she was the only one that experienced these side effects. Don’t know how true that is, though. If there were other drugs on board my best guesses would be methamphetamine, LSD, or MDMA (in order of most to least probable, in my opinion).
3) I think Karlie died at some point while the SM was asleep due to an overdose causing some type of heart issue. Many young people have heart defects that they never know about until something happens randomly or something like drugs precipitates a heart issue. My best guess would be an arrhythmia. Maybe a seizure? Karlie requested 911 and ominously felt as though she was going to die at times (although this is a debated topic and we won’t really know what she said or her state of mind unless we hear that audio recording at some point).
4) SM wakes up to find an unresponsive Karlie and freaks out and she and BD decide to dispose of her body and stage a Missing Person scenario out of fear of potential liability for her death due to lack of medical care that night.
5) I think she will eventually be found close to home or within 100 miles (at the most).
6) I think she will be found within a year (at most).

NONE OF THIS IS FACT.

It is only my opinion as to what I think went down.

I hope she can be found and either returned safely to her family or properly laid to rest.

On the heart thing with young people:

Miss Teen Universe's fatal heart attack left fans reeling, doctor explains what happened

 

[DissociativeFugue]

On the heart thing with young people:

Miss Teen Universe's fatal heart attack left fans reeling, doctor explains what happened

Yes, more common than one would think. And with what seemed like some sort of stimulant(s) in her system I think it’s a viable theory. They can certainly aggravate cardiac problems and even cause cardiac arrest w/o heart problems. Another common heart issue in young people is undetected cardiomyopathy (I believe that’s what it’s called but I could be wrong). Guy in HS literally dropped dead at school because he had an undetected heart issue falling under the cardiomyopathy family (there are plenty of types of cardiomyopathy). A lot of people don’t know they have it until they die from sudden cardiac death and it’s revealed at autopsy.

I don’t know her medical history though. This is all speculation and not fact.

MOO IMO

 

[rob525]

I am curious. I have not had time to read every post but have any statements made by the boyfriend been made public? He was at the party, I believe.

He should know what she smoked, her state of mind etc.

It just sounds like the marijuana may have been laced with meth. LSD would not survive the heat unless the paper had been dipped in it, I believe. If she didn’t know about the meth, it would be terrifying once the effects hit.

Watched some of the Dr. Phil clips, don’t find the BM to be any more believable than BD or SM.

 

[DissociativeFugue]

I am curious. I have not had time to read every post but have any statements made by the boyfriend been made public? He was at the party, I believe.

He should know what she smoked, her state of mind etc.

It just sounds like the marijuana may have been laced with meth. LSD would not survive the heat unless the paper had been dipped in it, I believe. If she didn’t know about the meth, it would be terrifying once the effects hit.

Watched some of the Dr. Phil clips, don’t find the BM to be any more believable than BD or SM.

I wonder the same?! Haven’t heard anything from ANYONE at that party, and I’d be interested in hearing what they have to say. I’m sure LE has spoken to them but it seems they are keeping it close to the vest. Possibly because of the drug usage involved?! But if it was just MJ, it wouldn’t really matter, as isn’t CA a legal recreational state? They were underage, though ... Right?

I agree with you about the meth. Her symptoms match perfectly IMO. If it was laced with anything, my first guess would be that. LSD wouldn’t withstand the heat, like you said.