CA CA - Kern Co., WhtFem UP13916, 13-24, in shallow grave on vineyard, Jun'78

[Bit of hope]

Arvin Jane Doe

I'm not sure what is going on @John/Jane Doe. The link you posted in this thread and others don't seem to work for me. Could be the link or my location (Europe)

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

I'm not sure what is going on @John/Jane Doe. The link you posted in this thread and others don't seem to work for me. Could be the link or my location (Europe)

Could be because unidentified.wiki is not an approved source by WS standards?

 

[SimsGuy67]

@Caring1 Is there any new exclusions for this Doe or is it just the same 3?

 

[Myrrh]

@Caring1 Is there any new exclusions for this Doe or is it just the same 3?

It's still the same 3 rule outs in NamUs

 

[SimsGuy67]

It's still the same 3 rule outs in NamUs

Thank you.

 

[SimsGuy67]

Making a rule-out list including Marilyn Waltz. Not sure if we already know this info but a friend of mine submitted via Doe Network and was told she was ruled out. Why are there even unlisted exclusions in the first place? Can someone tell me if there are any more exclusions. I feel the only way to get a full list is through trial and error but in this area? Not really the best way to progress an investigation. I read Cheryl Wyant is excluded but the source is one of the unapproved sources here so I don't full trust that.

MP18983
Marilyn
Waltz
01/07/1978
Bakersfield
CA

MP40883
Marie
Spannhake
01/31/1976
Chico
CA

MP6408
Connie
Minchaca
06/09/1978
Napa
CA

 

[SimsGuy67]

Has anyone considered April Zane?

I know DNA is available in both cases and that the Doe's DNA is in CODIS but I don't know if April's is. Also, finding a hit in the system can take very long to my knowledge and I don't know if the Doe's DNA has been in the system for that long.

	Arvin Jane Doe UP13916	April Rose Zane MP1689	Possible?
Sex	Female	Female	Match
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian	Match
Age	17	13-24	Match
Height	5'8"	5'3"-5'8" (Doe Network)	Match
Weight	115lbs	Unknown	Unknown/Match
DLC/DOD	April 18, 1977	3-4 months prior to June 21, 1978	Match considering circumstances.
Hair Color	Red/Auburn	Red/Auburn at collection	Match
Eye Color	Blue/Gray/Green	Unknown	Unknown/Match
Distinctive Features	Appendectomy scar, scars on right knee and chin.	Unknown	Unknown/Match
Circumstances	Last seen in IL in 1976 or 1977. She had ran away multiple times in the past.	Found in a shallow grave in Arvin, CA.	Possible considering circumstances
Distance	Frankfort, IL-Arvin, CA	2,010miles (29hr)	Possible considering circumstances

I think she ran away. Michelle Garvey got 30 hours away in a month and April had possibly a year. I have already submitted.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Has anyone considered April Zane?

I know DNA is available in both cases and that the Doe's DNA is in CODIS but I don't know if April's is. Also, finding a hit in the system can take very long to my knowledge and I don't know if the Doe's DNA has been in the system for that long.

	Arvin Jane Doe UP13916	April Rose Zane MP1689	Possible?
Sex	Female	Female	Match
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian	Match
Age	17	13-24	Match
Height	5'8"	5'3"-5'8" (Doe Network)	Match
Weight	115lbs	Unknown	Unknown/Match
DLC/DOD	April 18, 1977	3-4 months prior to June 21, 1978	Match considering circumstances.
Hair Color	Red/Auburn	Red/Auburn at collection	Match
Eye Color	Blue/Gray/Green	Unknown	Unknown/Match
Distinctive Features	Appendectomy scar, scars on right knee and chin.	Unknown	Unknown/Match
Circumstances	Last seen in IL in 1976 or 1977. She had ran away multiple times in the past.	Found in a shallow grave in Arvin, CA.	Possible considering circumstances
Distance	Frankfort, IL-Arvin, CA	2,010miles (29hr)	Possible considering circumstances

I think she ran away. Michelle Garvey got 30 hours away in a month and April had possibly a year. I have already submitted.

Here is April Zane's thread:

IL - IL - April Zane, 16, Frankfort, 18 April 1976

How are all of you? Allow me to introduce myself, I am Sharonrose Zane. I read comments made about my sister,and wanted to clear a few things up. No she wasn't pregnant. We supported each other and had good parents who would have helped her through such a time in need. We lived in Chicago's...

www.websleuths.com

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Has anyone considered April Zane?

I know DNA is available in both cases and that the Doe's DNA is in CODIS but I don't know if April's is. Also, finding a hit in the system can take very long to my knowledge and I don't know if the Doe's DNA has been in the system for that long.

	Arvin Jane Doe UP13916	April Rose Zane MP1689	Possible?
Sex	Female	Female	Match
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian	Match
Age	17	13-24	Match
Height	5'8"	5'3"-5'8" (Doe Network)	Match
Weight	115lbs	Unknown	Unknown/Match
DLC/DOD	April 18, 1977	3-4 months prior to June 21, 1978	Match considering circumstances.
Hair Color	Red/Auburn	Red/Auburn at collection	Match
Eye Color	Blue/Gray/Green	Unknown	Unknown/Match
Distinctive Features	Appendectomy scar, scars on right knee and chin.	Unknown	Unknown/Match
Circumstances	Last seen in IL in 1976 or 1977. She had ran away multiple times in the past.	Found in a shallow grave in Arvin, CA.	Possible considering circumstances
Distance	Frankfort, IL-Arvin, CA	2,010miles (29hr)	Possible considering circumstances

I think she ran away. Michelle Garvey got 30 hours away in a month and April had possibly a year. I have already submitted.

More information from April Rose Zane:



Have you seen this child?


1404DFIL - April Rose Zane


The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

April Rose Zane – The Charley Project

 

[SimsGuy67]

I have a new exclusion list featuring 2 new ones. I have gotten these from one exclusion by Doe Network from a friend who submitted and an exclusion of a match of my own. Here is a new list with the new exclusions listed in bold.

MP2065
Diane
Schulte
03/25/1977
Nampa
ID

MP1689
April
Zane
04/18/1977
Frankfort
IL

MP18983
Marilyn
Waltz
01/07/1978
Bakersfield
CA

MP40883
Marie
Spannhake
01/31/1976
Chico
CA

MP6408
Connie
Minchaca
06/09/1978
Napa
CA

 

[SimsGuy67]

I think she could be Christine Gregg. Both seem to have a good resemblance between one another.

Info from Doe Network.

	Christine May Gregg MP60725	Arvin Jane Doe UP13916
Sex	Female	Female
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian
Age	18	13 - 24
Height	5'5 - 5'7	5'3 - 5'8
Weight	120 - 145 lbs	Unknown
Hair Color	Brown	Red/Auburn
Eye Color	Brown	Unknown
DLC/DOD	June 16, 1976	February - March 1976 (3 - 4 months prior)
Distinctive Features	Scar on thigh.	Large front teeth.
Circumstances	Last seen after the birth of a daughter.	Found in shallow grave.
Distance	Sacramento - Arvin	300 miles (4hrs 39mins)

In terms of distance and timing, I think there is a small chance Christine ran away due to the stress of having a baby which is a big responsibility but I obviously never knew Christine so I don't know if that was how she felt. Other than that, hair color is the only thing off here.
Here is Christine's thread:

CA - CA - Christine May Gregg, 18, Sacramento, June 16, 1976

It seems like this person doesn't have a thread yet so here it is. The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) Name: Christine May Gregg Date of birth: July 29, 1957 (from Facebook)* School: Gilroy High School (from Facebook)* Mother's last name: Brown (from Facebook)* Age...

www.websleuths.com

 

[MadMcGoo]

I think she could be Christine Gregg. Both seem to have a good resemblance between one another.

Info from Doe Network.

	Christine May Gregg MP60725	Arvin Jane Doe UP13916
Sex	Female	Female
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian
Age	18	13 - 24
Height	5'5 - 5'7	5'3 - 5'8
Weight	120 - 145 lbs	Unknown
Hair Color	Brown	Red/Auburn
Eye Color	Brown	Unknown
DLC/DOD	June 16, 1976	February - March 1976 (3 - 4 months prior)
Distinctive Features	Scar on thigh.	Large front teeth.
Circumstances	Last seen after the birth of a daughter.	Found in shallow grave.
Distance	Sacramento - Arvin	300 miles (4hrs 39mins)

In terms of distance and timing, I think there is a small chance Christine ran away due to the stress of having a baby which is a big responsibility but I obviously never knew Christine so I don't know if that was how she felt. Other than that, hair color is the only thing off here.
Here is Christine's thread:

CA - CA - Christine May Gregg, 18, Sacramento, June 16, 1976

It seems like this person doesn't have a thread yet so here it is. The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) Name: Christine May Gregg Date of birth: July 29, 1957 (from Facebook)* School: Gilroy High School (from Facebook)* Mother's last name: Brown (from Facebook)* Age...

www.websleuths.com

Christine was last known to be alive in 1976 and the UID found in 1978, not 1976. Unless Christine was alive for a couple of years before meeting her fate, I think this match is unlikely. JMO.

 

[SimsGuy67]

Christine was last known to be alive in 1976 and the UID found in 1978, not 1976. Unless Christine was alive for a couple of years before meeting her fate, I think this match is unlikely. JMO.

I actually did know the Doe was found in 1978. I just made a typo. It was meant to read February - March 1978. I do find it strange that Marie Spannhake is ruled out even though she went missing in 1976 and she clearly died in 1976 too based on her presumed killers confessions. A rule-out doesn't hurt though. I don't want to leave any possibility I think could be possible unmentioned.

 

[MadMcGoo]

I actually did know the Doe was found in 1978. I just made a typo. It was meant to read February - March 1978. I do find it strange that Marie Spannhake is ruled out even though she went missing in 1976 and she clearly died in 1976 too based on her presumed killers confessions. A rule-out doesn't hurt though. I don't want to leave any possibility I think could be possible unmentioned.

Agreed! I didn’t mean for my comment to come off as harsh as it did.

 

[SimsGuy67]

Maybe Eileen Hynson? Distance is more than I'd hoped, and PMI is off, but the resemblance is there. Nose felt off at first, but now I see that it seems like a match, based on Eileen's other photo.

	Eileen Francis Hynson 3700DFCA	Arvin Jane Doe 1469UFCA
Sex	Female	Female
Race	White	White
Age	19	13 - 24
DLC/DOD	June 1, 1976	February - March 1978
Height	5'2	5'3 - 5'8
Weight	130 pounds	Unknown
Hair Color	Brown	Described as auburn upon discovery, but reddish blonde when exhumed.
Eye Color	Hazel	Unknown
Distinctive Features	Unknown	Large front teeth.
Circumstances	Last seen in Napa, California. Foul play suspected.	Found in shallow grave in Arvin, California.
Distance	Napa - Arvin	321 miles

The only other thing that I found that was off was the front teeth, but Eileen's mouth isn't open wide enough in her photo to be certain that the teeth don't match.

I'm also noticing the religious necklace Jane Doe was found wearing. It's just speculation, but Eileen was going to a wedding, an event grounded in religion.

 

[SimsGuy67]

Bumping for Arvin Jane Doe.
I don't know why, but I've always had a gut feeling that this case was related to the murder of Karen Hevelry (Formerly Rancho Cucamonga Jane Doe). Both were murdered in or around vineyards in southern California in the late 1970s.

Both also seem to resemble each other, which is not unusual in the case of a serial murderer. Is there anything out there to disprove a potential connection?

 

[mb4u]

I went through the thread and almost all the missing persons list I compiled were in the exclusion. There is one I did not see mentioned.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

The thing that caught my attention was that both her front teeth were fake. It doesn’t say in the Jane doe description if they are her actual teeth or not. Arvin has really hot summers which can cause fast decomposition. They listed that Wilma had scar from her knee surgery and Jane doe was missing limbs . In comparison to another Jane doe (found to be from canyon country) that was identified last year in Arvin LA does not seem to far.