Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni Missing From Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #6

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  • #561
I think if she cut outside a line of cars leaving some of those individuals would have said something to the effect of "Oh yeah we saw a vehicle like that." There in no guilt on anyone to say they saw a car cut out of line to take a different route. I'm not saying there is guilt on anyone I'm only saying that there would be no reason for anyone not to come forward with that type of information.
That's the one factor I can't get around either. If she did travel the beach, how did no one see her? Surely, she couldn't have been the only person or vehicle on the beach with that many people around.

Has anyone addressed the police tape that was on the beach? It was a squared off section in the upper right section of the picture. There were 2 orange cones not too far from it as well.

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  • #562
Not pointing this post at you, just using your post as a jumping off point to say, if Kiely was thinking suicide, which I am certain, in my mind at least, that she was not, she could have picked any number of ways that would have been a helluva lot easier and less frightening than making what has been painted as an almost impossible drive, to put herself in a lake, and drown. Even if drowning herself was her intent, it would have been a lot quicker and easier to have left the car behind and just walked out into the lake. And again, I have seen or heard absolutely nothing that leads me to think this young lady was contemplating suicide. JMO
My opinion is that she was not trying to kill herself. With suicide by drowning you have to be really committed to the act because the bodies natural instinct is to keep the mouth out of water and panic sets in. I do not think too many teens would have the fortitude to commit to an act like that which takes several minutes and is extremely painful. Then you have to factor in that going that way, her parents may have never found her and would she have wanted that for them. Would she have wanted them to live with not knowing where her body was? I'm not familiar with her family dynamics but if she were to commit suicide I just don't think this is the way she would go.
 
  • #563
^^RSBM

IMO, the group exodus may have to do with both the estimated time the camp host is known to spot patrol the location, the rules/regulations of Prosser Family Campground (Tahoe Nat'l Forest), and/or the USDA Forest Service (federal regulations).

Researching the Prosser Family Campground site for both single-family camp reservations or a Large Group Facility, the check-in/out rules vary on whether or not the guests are there under "FF" (first come) or registered for specific dates or extended dates.

However, what seems clear is that the "Prosser Large Group" location is ready to accommodate up to 50 people and 10 vehicles -- nowhere near the 300 persons as estimated. (I'm not aware of a "venue" in the Park applicable or whether or not the teens held a one-day reservation).

On the other hand, family campsites are 6 people and 2 dogs maximum per site, and quiet hours 10 PM - 6 AM.

Pursuant to 16 USC 551 and 36 CFR 261.50 (a) and (b), and to provide for public safety, the following acts are prohibited on National Forest System lands within the State of California.

Possession of an alcoholic beverage in the following situations:

a. In an open container in a motor vehicle or off-highway vehicle or

b. By any person under 21 years of age.

A violation of these prohibitions is punishable by a fine of not more than $5,000 for an individual or $10,000 for an organization, or imprisonment for not more than 6 months, or both. 16 USC 551 and 18 USC 3559, 3571, and 3581.


ETA: Additional restrictions for CA teens.

Nevada County, CA cites curfew established for any minor under age 18...

Every person under the age of eighteen years who loiters in or about any public street or other public place or any place open to the public in the unincorporated territory of the county between the hours of 10:30 p.m., and the time of 6:00 a.m. of the following day, when not accompanied by his parent, guardian or other adult person having the legal care, custody or control of such person, or spouse of such person over twenty-one years of age, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

A violation of this section or any provision thereof is punishable by a fine not exceed five hundred dollars or by imprisonment not exceeding six months, or by both such fine and imprisonment.


CA Minors DL Restrictions:

Once you have your provisional DL, you may drive alone, as long as you do not have any collisions or traffic violations on your driving record. During the first 12 months after you are licensed, you cannot drive between 11 p.m. and 5 a.m. and cannot transport passengers under 20 years old, unless accompanied by a California-licensed parent or guardian, a California-licensed driver 25 years old or older, or a licensed or certified driving instructor.

When you become 18 years old, the “provisional” part of your DL ends. You may keep your provisional photo DL or pay a fee for a duplicate DL without the word “provisional.


See the link for exceptions.

So dreadful.

Since it's alleged that this type of party has been going on for generations, it seems that parents and LE who were all well acquainted with kids getting drunk and high and driving underage, and being out at night with large groups getting up to no good, were nonchalant about these parties, and LE clearly did not enforce the laws.

Imo
 
  • #564
I have no idea if it was a male. It could have been a female. It could have been a group. They might have had no evil intention. Remember the "Lord of the Flies" reference? these are people fighting in the woods for fun. were they running cars around the beach "for fun" until there was a deadly accident? I have no idea. All I can say is that I don't buy that she accidentally drove into the lake, and I find it extremely suspicious that her phone stopped pinging when there was a mass exodus.

As for how the culprit(s) would do this and get out of there, that's easy. They didn't arrive in her car, and they didn't leave in her car. They didn't need her car to get out of there. It was a huge party with people arriving in groups and lots of cars to get out of there. NO need for accomplices or even premeditation.
If you can please clarify this for me, I can drop it after because I don't want to get into a back-and-forth, especially because you have local expertise in that area.

Her car DID arrive there, though. So I'm still not clear about how you believe Kiely and her car entered the water. Who drove her in, since you feel she did not drive herself into the water?

Why would a group of people have taken several cars along that very unfit and nearly impassable road to the beach to "have fun?" When it was the most difficult road to navigate?

Are you suggesting a group of cars did in fact drive the treacherous road to the beach, including Kiely just planning to have fun, and then someone tempted or tricked or forced her out of the driver's seat, got behind the wheel, drove into the lake, got himself or herself or themselves out of the lake, walked back wet to his or her or their cars, drove back along this narrow and rutted road, and went on his or her or their merry way?

From what we've learned about the car underwater, I think it would have been death-defying for whomever else was in that car driving her as a passenger. The car flipped and sank quickly, according to all we've learned.

Jmo and seeking clarification
 
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  • #565
That's the one factor I can't get around either. If she did travel the beach, how did no one see her? Surely, she couldn't have been the only person or vehicle on the beach with that many people around.

Has anyone addressed the police tape that was on the beach? It was a squared off section in the upper right section of the picture. There were 2 orange cones not too far from it as well.

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I never noticed the tape in the corner until you mentioned it
 
  • #566
That's the one factor I can't get around either. If she did travel the beach, how did no one see her? Surely, she couldn't have been the only person or vehicle on the beach with that many people around.

Has anyone addressed the police tape that was on the beach? It was a squared off section in the upper right section of the picture. There were 2 orange cones not too far from it as well.

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My best guess would be they found something that may be of evidentiary value and want to preserve that space until crime techs and come do what they due best, photograph, cast molds, collect ect.
 
  • #567
That is what is puzzling to me - like if you drive in accidentally and get stuck, its not so obvious how you get in so deep you drown before you can do figure out how to exit the vehicle unless windows and doors were jammed?

Or maybe she was going at some speed?

I drive a Jeep, and I drive it like it's intended. More often than not, the first thing I do if I get in someplace that's hairy is try to back up. If my tires spin, I may try to rock myself out of the situation by alternating moving forward/reversing/etc. until I decide to stop and get out to figure out a better solution. I'm assuming that I'm not an anomaly and there's a pretty good chance this girl may have tried the same tactic, quickly using up any time she had to get the door/window open and get out.
 
  • #568
If you can please clarify this for me, I can drop it after because I don't want to get into a back-and-forth, especially because you have local expertise in that area.

Her car DID arrive there, though. So I'm still not clear about how you believe Kiely and her car entered the water. Who drove her in, since you feel she did not drive herself into the water?

Why would a group of people have taken several cars along that very unfit and nearly impassable road to the beach to "have fun?" When it was the most difficult road to navigate?

Are you suggesting a group of cars did in fact drive the treacherous road to the beach, including Kiely just planning to have fun, and then someone tempted or tricked or forced her out of the driver's seat, got behind the wheel, drove into the lake, got himself or herself or themselves out of the lake, walked back wet to his or her or their cars, drove back along this narrow and rutted road, and went on his or her or their merry way?

From what we've learned about the car underwater, I think it would have been death-defying for whomever else was in that car driving her as a passenger. The car flipped and sank quickly, according to all we've learned.

Jmo and seeking clarification
Just want to add that based on the pretty obvious discrepancy between the dirt road as described and the dirt road shown in the video, it’s possible Truckeeite was in the wrong location.
 
  • #569
I agree it seems like a person wouldn’t normally choose a route like that. However, 16 year olds don’t always have the best judgment especially if intoxicated.

Perhaps she thought she could avoid vehicle traffic. It’s hard to know what her thought process might have been, plus we still don’t know for certain that was the route she took.

Another thing I learned from that video, depending on the circumstances with car, weight, tires, etc. it can float and sink over 200ft from entry point. Could that have happened here?

I know when something like this happens, we want answers- it’s hard to believe a simple, tragic accident can steal the life of a young, beautiful girl. There has to be more. I get it- my younger sister died tragically and it was accidental. To this day, I still can’t believe it. JMO.

I'm sorry for your loss x
 
  • #570
My left map is what Google Maps pulls up as the best route from the party back to the highway. But what's disturbing to me is that Google Maps still counts what you call "Route 1" as a viable route -- even if as you said, it's "across mud flats." If there were a mass exodus of cars driving very slowly along the default route at around 12:30, it is possible that Google Maps would have calculated the route along the beach / mud flats (basically into the water!) as another possible -- potentially faster -- route. Except that, from what I've heard on here from locals, that route doesn't actually exist. (Please correct me if I'm wrong about that!) Could it be that she was just trying to follow her GPS to this alternate route?

MOO.

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I personally think it's unlikely the car floated that far and around a point. My guess is the car went in somewhere much closer to where it was found.

Could she have driven along the beach trying to get around a line of cars? Maybe. I didn't go down that far as I was very concerned about my car on this drive. As I got closer to the party / parking site, the road got even worse. Decided to turn around and probably will not go back. Maybe someone knows if that would have been possible/likely. Although if she went that way to get around, and the car accidentally rolled in, the damage to the vehicle would have been on the passenger side.
 
  • #571
Just want to add that based on the pretty obvious discrepancy between the dirt road as described and the dirt road shown in the video, it’s possible Truckeeite was in the wrong location.
Nope it was the right place - that's why I have a photo of the memorial for her on the beach.
 

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  • #572
Just want to add that based on the pretty obvious discrepancy between the dirt road as described and the dirt road shown in the video, it’s possible Truckeeite was in the wrong location.
I don't think it was the wrong location. Someone made a video driving from the party location (an aside, in Sami's interview at the party site she said Kiely had parked up there, I think?) Anyway that video surprised me just how bad the roads are. Hope it's ok to mention something seen elsewhere?? Moo
 
  • #573
Nope it was the right place - that's why I have a photo of the memorial for her on the beach.
So that dirt road in the video is the same one you were describing?
 
  • #574
Unfortunately, I don't know how to do great editing in Preview yet. Here's a screenshot of the map from Prosser Family Campground (satellite version)

The thin black line is the route I took. At the very top, you're still on the paved road. If you stayed on the paved road, it would take you to the boat launch on the other side.

Instead, I veered off at the sign that said "not recommended" for cars, only to cringe as my car dropped off the pavement and made a loud clunking sound.

I put an X on the map near where the paved road turns into the difficult dirt road.

I drove first to the beach area. The small circle is approximately where I took the photo of her memorial.

Then I drove back up the little side road and intended to go all the way to the party location. But the road got even worse and I didn't want to damage my car so turned back.
 

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  • #575
If you can please clarify this for me, I can drop it after because I don't want to get into a back-and-forth, especially because you have local expertise in that area.

Her car DID arrive there, though. So I'm still not clear about how you believe Kiely and her car entered the water. Who drove her in, since you feel she did not drive herself into the water?

Why would a group of people have taken several cars along that very unfit and nearly impassable road to the beach to "have fun?" When it was the most difficult road to navigate?

Are you suggesting a group of cars did in fact drive the treacherous road to the beach, including Kiely just planning to have fun, and then someone tempted or tricked or forced her out of the driver's seat, got behind the wheel, drove into the lake, got himself or herself or themselves out of the lake, walked back wet to his or her or their cars, drove back along this narrow and rutted road, and went on his or her or their merry way?

From what we've learned about the car underwater, I think it would have been death-defying for whomever else was in that car driving her as a passenger. The car flipped and sank quickly, according to all we've learned.

Jmo and seeking clarification
Again, I have no idea what happened. I'm only saying the idea that she took a wrong turn to the lake, drove however many yards on what was obviously the beach and just "accidentally" landed herself in the water is not believable to me.

She wasn't found in the driver's seat. We have no idea whether she was in the driver's seat. We don't know if she was alive or dead going into the water. We don't know how the damage happened to the car.
 
  • #576
Unfortunately, I don't know how to do great editing in Preview yet. Here's a screenshot of the map from Prosser Family Campground (satellite version)

The thin black line is the route I took. At the very top, you're still on the paved road. If you stayed on the paved road, it would take you to the boat launch on the other side.

Instead, I veered off at the sign that said "not recommended" for cars, only to cringe as my car dropped off the pavement and made a loud clunking sound.

I put an X on the map near where the paved road turns into the difficult dirt road.

I drove first to the beach area. The small circle is approximately where I took the photo of her memorial.

Then I drove back up the little side road and intended to go all the way to the party location. But the road got even worse and I didn't want to damage my car so turned back.
I have one question that keeps bugging me. If it is as treacherously difficult to get to the water at that spot as you say that your drive indicates, how on earth did that big rollback tow truck, at least two vehicles towing cargo trailers, a coroner's van, and no less than 20 other vehicles, which can all be seen on the video of the car being retrieved, all manage to get to that point at the water's edge without damaging their vehicles? JMO

 
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  • #577
Unfortunately, I don't know how to do great editing in Preview yet. Here's a screenshot of the map from Prosser Family Campground (satellite version)

The thin black line is the route I took. At the very top, you're still on the paved road. If you stayed on the paved road, it would take you to the boat launch on the other side.

Instead, I veered off at the sign that said "not recommended" for cars, only to cringe as my car dropped off the pavement and made a loud clunking sound.

I put an X on the map near where the paved road turns into the difficult dirt road.

I drove first to the beach area. The small circle is approximately where I took the photo of her memorial.

Then I drove back up the little side road and intended to go all the way to the party location. But the road got even worse and I didn't want to damage my car so turned back.
I wasn’t doubting you but this really helps clear up some of the confusion, I think. It looks like the “nicer” road bears right and you went left, to go more south. IMO
 
  • #578
Personally, I don't know about suicide in this case but I do know many people and kids do NOT fit what people believe is the stereotype. A friend of mine lost her 14 yo a few years ago to suicide and he fit this exact same description. Straight A student, athlete, great family, etc. His mom is in agony every single day wondering WHY. She used his death to support other teens in our area and families by creating a non profit organization and it's shockingly surprising at just how many "seemingly normal, happy" kids commit suicide. Sadly, it happens more often than any of us would think and leaves families in shreds :(
This is really all I am saying here. I'm so sorry. I have also experienced this personally in my extended family, and both people were successful and well liked. The younger one really shocked most people.

Again, I do not believe it is likely Kiely took her life. Only that it is not impossible.

I think she was either extremely drunk etc through her own consumption OR someone slipped her something and/or encouraged her to try something new.

OR she made one of those terrible split second errors that sometimes have fatal consequences. Could be horsing around on the beach, could be driving too close to the water for whatever reason, could be she fell asleep, anything really.
 
  • #579
Perhaps the taped-off section on the beach could be evidence of other vehicles? or signs of her vehicle driving erratically

I'm not sure how they would be able to link anything to that night, but maybe they discovered something personal in nature? Maybe her phone?
 
  • #580
I have one question that keeps bugging me. If it is as treacherously difficult to get to the water at that spot as you say that your drive indicates, how on earth did that big rollback tow truck, at least two vehicles towing cargo trailers, a coroner's van, and no less than 20 other vehicles, which can all be seen on the video of the car being retrieved, all manage to get to that point at the water's edge without damaging their vehicles? JMO

I do not know. Very slowly and carefully would be my guess. It's not impassable it's just very difficult. It's not the flat smooth dirt/gravel road that I was envisioning. My main point in posting about it is to say how unlikely it is that vehicles were going at any speed out there - unless you didn't care about seriously damaging your car. I can imagine a few scenarios:

1. Super reckless people "racing" on the beach with no thought or care that they might wreck their car with no thought to what their parents would think or do?
2. Someone unfamiliar with the area not knowing that was the beach
3. Someone disposing of evidence
 
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