Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni missing from Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #7

[Argonaut]

I picked this product at random. Imagine if it had a detachable window hammer/seat belt cutter combo and 360° lights pointing various directions. The base could be made strong enough to be a second or even the primary window hammer in case the first one is dropped. I like the idea of being able to breath, having light and a separate window hammer.

6 to 12 minutes of air time. It could even be shared.

It's the scuba diver in me.

Overkill, no pun intended.

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[ChiCubs2016]

Hello! Jolissa and her car have been missing since 8/7. AWP searched two bodies of water and did not find her. Maybe some folks would like to join her thread.

Thread 'CA - Jolissa Fuentes, 22, Selma, 7 Aug 2022'
CA - CA - Jolissa Fuentes, 22, Selma, 7 Aug 2022

 

[Beekarina]

No idea how common it is in rural California, but growing up in rural New England? Very common to drive cars and other vehicles (tractors, plow trucks) on personal property long before you have a license and are out on public roads.

 

[getthefax]

I picked this product at random. Imagine if it had a detachable window hammer/seat belt cutter combo and 360° lights pointing various directions. The base could be made strong enough to be a second or even the primary window hammer in case the first one is dropped. I like the idea of being able to breath, having light and a separate window hammer.

6 to 12 minutes of air time. It could even be shared.

It's the scuba diver in me.

Overkill, no pun intended.


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I love this idea (diver here too).

I live in CA and carry a fire extinguisher/respirator in my car just in case. I can totally see having a few minutes of breathable air being useful in fire situations as well, so very useful indeed!! ( as long as the canister is stable in the high temp of a car in the hot sun, def gets a thumbs up from me!)

 

[franker]

I love this idea (diver here too).

I live in CA and carry a fire extinguisher/respirator in my car just in case. I can totally see having a few minutes of breathable air being useful in fire situations as well, so very useful indeed!! ( as long as the canister is stable in the high temp of a car in the hot sun, def gets a thumbs up from me!)

I think a fire extinguisher/respirator is probably a good idea.

Unless you live in an area with a lot of water and roads that may lead you into it I don't think having something that would break out the windows is particularly useful.

No items that could potentially lead to your safety are a bad idea.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Kiely spoke with a number of people shortly before she vanished. Her mother, Lindsey Rodni-Nieman, said Kiely texted to say she would be coming “straight home” in about 45 minutes. "I told her to be safe and that I loved her. And she said, 'OK, mom, I love you, too,'" Rodni-Nieman told ABC News. "She never came home."

A friend told a conflicting story, saying Kiely intended to stay at the campground overnight with her friends and was too drunk to drive back home.

No witnesses to Kiely Rodni leaving Tahoe party, officials say

"People aren't talking to us."

www.sfgate.com

I still have a hard time believing Kiely was so smashed she couldn't drive. It just doesn't fit her narrative.

 

[5W's]

This is true, but IMO is not a strong enough point to suggest she was sober enough to drive.

Clearly, if drivers were only dangerous to themselves and others simply when they were too intoxicated to find their cars, there would be no such thing as drunk drivers in their own cars killed and killing others, as happens every day.

And, unfortunately, at this point we don't know if she stumbled around for some time searching for her car.

IMO

She found her car. Well if someone saw her stumbling around then why not do something about it right as she was leaving at that point is what I' want to know. So IMO it didn't happen as you have suggested. Something else happened here JMOO. People saw her stumbling around to her car and did nothing? She only started stumbling there? Since alcohol is being drank its very easy to say it was this, that's all it was, end of story. Nothing else happened, that's a great way to cover oneself if someone did something.

 

[Gemmie]

But her superior driving skills weren't enough to keep her and her car out of the lake. How I wish her precocious driving skills were enough to keep her from this death!

IMO it's extremely precarious for anyone if they end up in their vehicle underwater. City or country, young or old, drunk or sober.

I certainly believe what you're saying. Here in NYC growing up we were on subways and buses all the time, and learned to drive when we were 17. I have no doubt Kiely was effortlessly snowmobiling, ATV riding, and experienced on treacherous dirt roads at a very young age.

I'm just stating what seems obvious to me, these skills at that perilous moment were clearly not enough. I do believe some substance overthrew her perception that night.

Jmo

Couple of things come to mind for me. First off, we don't know FOR SURE if she put herself in the lake. Also, her driving skills weren't obtained driving inebriated. Lastly, at almost 17, even if she started driving real young, doesn't give her a whole bunch of actual experience. Don't they have to drive with an adult in the car when really young with a new DL? Just my take (and opinion) but her driving with an adult at 14, 15 or 16 isn't the same thing as driving intoxicated, in pitch darkness while partying. She'd have been more mindful, and sober, in the daylight with an adult.

But again, I'm not entirely convince she was the one that drove her car into the lake. I'd love to hear more evidence that LE has so I can further develop a theory for myself on what happened. Until then, I'm open.

 

[Gemmie]

One big question I have is why the front window is broken and the back windows are rolled down? What broke the window, and why do that if the back ones are already down? Two people in the car, one in back, car flips, the person in front doesn't know the windows in back are down? IDK? My mind running in circles.

If this was like a Rorschach inkblot test, and I had limited time to answer your question... the first thing that came to my mind is someone rolled the windows down so that the car would not only sink, but sink quickly. All MOO.

 

[Speculaytor]

Couple of things come to mind for me. First off, we don't know FOR SURE if she put herself in the lake. Also, her driving skills weren't obtained driving inebriated. Lastly, at almost 17, even if she started driving real young, doesn't give her a lot of actual experience. Don't they have to drive with an adult in the car when really young with a new DL? Just my take (and opinion) but her driving with an adult at 14, 15 or 16 isn't the same thing as driving intoxicated, in pitch darkness while partying. She'd have been more mindful, and sober in the daylight with an adult.

But again, I'm not entirely convince she was the one that drove her car into the lake. I'd love to hear more evidence that LE has so I can further develop a theory for myself on what happened. Until then, I'm open.

I've started wondering about this too. What if someone else was driving, Kiely passed out inside from alcohol/drugs, or knocked unconscious when they accidentally drive into the water? They panic, break window, car flips, they can't get Kiely, but they get out through broken window and have to leave Kiely behind? Pure speculation, MOO.

 

[5W's]

This ^^^^

And the fact most of the people she knew well at the party had already left. A few byes to folks who are preoccupied with their friend groups, might have been forgotten easily.

If she did leave like this then she was aware the terrain was changing. The roads are rough. The party area was not as smooth as the beach.

 

[Gemmie]

I've started wondering about this too. What if someone else was driving, Kiely passed out inside from alcohol/drugs, or knocked unconscious when they accidentally drive into the water? They panic, break window, car flips, they can't get Kiely, but they get out through broken window and have to leave Kiely behind? Pure speculation, MOO.

That's an interesting take on things and I thank you for putting that out there! I was only considering that (1) she did it (not high on my list), or that (2) someone else did it on purpose to hide evidence of 'stuff'. But I had never contemplated that someone was in the car and the whole thing was an accident and ran off and are scared to talk to LE.

I put this for me at #2 in front of "she did it" (which is last on my list) and behind that it was "on purpose" (someone else was responsible nefariously).

 

[SteveP]

I've started wondering about this too. What if someone else was driving, Kiely passed out inside from alcohol/drugs, or knocked unconscious when they accidentally drive into the water? They panic, break window, car flips, they can't get Kiely, but they get out through broken window and have to leave Kiely behind? Pure speculation, MOO.

Her car's event data recorder should provide data telling weight of any front seat passengers, so it will be easy to determine if Kiely was in the car alone, or if someone else was in either seat when the car impacted the water. It should also be able to determine which seat she was in, based on her size. JMO

 

[Gemmie]

Her car's event data recorder should provide data telling height and weight of any front seat passengers, so it should be easy to determine if Kiely was in the car alone, or if someone else was in either seat when the car impacted the water. JMO

Wow. I had no idea cars did this. Sounds a bit "Big Brotherish" to me. lol

 

[Speculaytor]

Her car's event data recorder should provide data telling height and weight of any front seat passengers, so it will be easy to determine if Kiely was in the car alone, or if someone else was in either seat when the car impacted the water. It should also be able to determine which seat she was in, based on her height and weight. JMO

Oh wow. I had no idea they could get that information. Technology!!

 

[SteveP]

I had posted this earlier, but for those who missed it. Event Data Recorders are like a passenger vehicle's version of a black box, and all newer model cars have them, including 2013 Honda CRV's, which is what Kiely's car is. Data retrieved from her car's EDR will go a long way towards allowing CHP's MAIT team to reconstruct this accident, and answer many questions that we all have.

What information does the EDR capture?

The NHTSA is in the process of implementing a rule that will standardize the information collected by EDRs. For now, the data collected by the event recorder can vary based on the auto manufacturer, the model of the vehicle and the EDR unit itself. However, the unit normally captures 15 or more variables, monitored about 20 seconds before the crash and 5-10 seconds after the crash. The information usually includes:

• Pre-crash vehicle operational dynamics such as the speed, use of accelerator, engine RPM, use of steering wheel.
• Crash force, both forward and lateral.
• Crash duration.
• Application of brakes and activation of antilock brake.
• Change in speed after impact.
• Activation of fault codes or warning signals.
• Engagement of stability control.
• Vehicle roll angle.
• Number of ignition attempts after the accident.
• Use of restraint and engagement of pretension and force-limiter for front seat occupants.
• Position of front seats.
• Size (weight) of front seat occupants.
• Number of impacts.
• Deployment of airbags, speed of deployment and faults, if any.
• Activation of the automatic collision notification system.

Can your car’s event data recorder (black box) help your accident claim? – DeVaughn James Injury Lawyers

Data collected by an event recorder or black box can vary based on the auto manufacturer and may be able to help your accident claim.

www.devaughnjames.com

 

[getthefax]

Reviewing a few facts.

1. Based on the FB video authorized by the mods of the nighttime drive from the "party site" to the beach, it takes about 6-7 minutes to drive from the "party site" to the beach off which Kiely was found

2. The last ping from Kiely's phone at 12:33 am was within 50 feet of where she was found: Mystery over how SUV of missing teen Kiely Rodni ended up in a reservoir

3. Kiely would have had to leave the party by 12:26 or 12:27 to get to the reservoir by 12:33 am, and that's assuming there were zero obstacles in her path e.g., other cars trying to leave the party on super narrow roads

In addition to other facts not computing, the math does not compute my friends.

I appreciate the work you are doing to reconstruct these movements here. Respectfully, I can’t quite agree that everything you presented is 100% known fact, so I have a couple comments here (which might also explain why I’m not with you in the in the “looks like foul play” camp at this time):

1) Kiely’s mom said Kiely texted at 11:30 that she was leaving at 12:15, ('I extended her curfew. I had done it before and felt safe. She texted me at 11.30pm to say she would be leaving at 12.15am to come home.) but we do not know for a fact that Kiely actually intended to depart for home at that exact time. Her mom had said Kiely should wake her up when she got in, so many of us earlier in this thread hypothesized/agreed that Kiely *may* have thought she could get away with stretching her curfew out way longer, knowing that her mom was going to sleep; we also know (Based on statements that mom made in the news) that mom did not wake up until 8am the next day, when she realized Kiely had not returned and sounded the alarm. When you combine that with the fact that her mom also said she always granted Kiely the curfew extensions whenever she requested them, it becomes very plausible that a fudging of curfew happened from time to time, and that Kiely would take a little advantage of the curfew flexibility afforded by a sleeping parent, especially if she [Kiely] had been drinking.

So, Kiely may not have been racing all the other cars to get out of there, but instead planned to hang out for awhile before driving.

2) We absolutely do not know the route that Kiely’s car took to get into that reservoir. There were so many cut throughs, etc., in that little unofficial paved road/OHV area, IMOO it is just not possible to derive a “factual” timeline on details of her car travel that we just do not know. All we know is where one person pointed to where her car was parked, and by eyeball, it looks like she could have taken a straight cut to the beach from the parking area in a couple minutes, but we don’t actually know if the car left one spot and moved more than once, etc. We just don’t know.

3) Location of the last ping is general, as much in land as in water, according to the Sheriff. I don’t think they gave precise coordinates.

4) The phone pings may have stopped because the phone went into the water at that time. OR the phone pings may also have been extinguished because her battery died again and her car went into the reservoir at a later time.

In other words, though it’s possible, we don’t know for certain that her car heading into the reservoir at 12:33 is what caused her phone to stop pinging. It is possible she took a little longer to get to her car, to sober up, etc., and if her phone battery were dead already it would have stopped pinging at that time. We were told by SS that the charge on the phones was low and that the teens were charging their phones throughout the evening. My thought on how she ended up in the reservoir is she waited around for awhile, phone died, fiddling with phone or charger while driving out, and unfortunately ended up in the water as a result of distraction/possible impairment/disorientation.

I don’t personally think we have even circumstantial evidence of foul play yet, but I’m not ruling out some gross negligence/accidental situation… and certainly if I were a friend who left her there alone, my heart would weigh heavily with this incident for the remainder of my life.

The MAIT report can’t come soon enough for any of us, to be sure.

** All opinions expressed are MOO, in the spirit of constructive discussion/debate.

Edited by me for a couple typos.

 

[getthefax]

If this was like a Rorschach inkblot test, and I had limited time to answer your question... the first thing that came to my mind is someone rolled the windows down so that the car would not only sink, but sink quickly. All MOO.

Good question! I think about that too. Could have happened when trying to get out of the car, or if she were sleeping it off in the back seat for awhile with the windows down so it wouldn’t get all foggy, or because the booze in the car was stashed there and they could have been reaching in through the window to grab up the bottle/can, etc.

 

[SteveP]

Good question! I think about that too. Could have happened when trying to get out of the car, or if she were sleeping it off in the back seat for awhile with the windows down so it wouldn’t get all foggy, or because the booze in the car was stashed there and they could have been reaching in through the window to grab up the bottle/can, etc.

Also possible that while going to the car multiple times, and while charging phone, SS and KR and whoever else was with them, may have been smoking weed, and had back windows down to let smoke and scent out, and it was never put back up after. JMO

 

[getthefax]

Also possible that while going to the car multiple times, and while charging phone, SS and KR and whoever else was with them, may have been smoking weed, and had back windows down to let smoke and scent out, and it was never put back up after. JMO

I thought of that too—I just wonder if people still smoke (stinky?) weed in their cars anymore when it’s mostly legal in CA, and one is in the great outdoors in the middle of a party… the “getting into the car to smoke” seems maybe like a least likely option to me…? But yes, should def also be counted as a possibility. Thanks!