Found Deceased CA - Kiely Rodni missing from Party Near Prosser Family Campground in Truckee #7

[logical]

I'm very curious about the location of the phone. Doesn't mean much if it was found in the vehicle, but could be significant if it is not.

 

[Gemmie]

I'm very curious about the location of the phone. Doesn't mean much if it was found in the vehicle, but could be significant if it is not.

+1. And if any fingerprints are on it that are not hers.

 

[SMK777]

+1. And if any fingerprints are on it that are not hers.

If it was 16 days in water, is there still a chance those would be preserved?

 

[Gemmie]

If it was 16 days in water, is there still a chance those would be preserved?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255788590_Solving_underwater_crimes_Development_of_latent_prints_made_on_submerged_objects

and

Does Water Wash Away Fingerprints? - Healing Picks

Does water wash away fingerprints? Well, it depends on what you're trying to remove. Usually, fingerprints are almost invisible when they're clean. But

healingpicks.com

ETA - most of what I've seen says 15 days so 16 days seems like a big "maybe, but perhaps not" to me. One can hope though.

 

[Hexe]

+1. And if any fingerprints are on it that are not hers.

There is one thousand of totally innocent reasons someone might hold Kiely's phone. Like, she was carrying drinks in both hands, so someone else carried her phone, she asked someone to snap a pic, she dropped a phone, someone picked it up, she wanted to show someone else something funny in the net. and so on and so on. I would not put much weight on the fingerprints on her phone.

 

[branmuffin]

Mags told her mom that Kiely was extremely drunk when she left only 10 minutes after her arrival. What else has she to say about why she left her best friend at a place where she may not have known many people, being home schooled? Was that always her plan to leave with her bf? Or did she think she'd left Kiely in safe hands with someone? Kiely's boyfriend didn't attend the party.

I'm also curious about that mass exodus from the site at the same time. Did something occur that the attendees felt they could be in trouble for? Were they part of some kind of activity that went sideways? Or was it just knowing that eventually the party would get shut down.

Everyone seems so closed mouthed about the party with the blessings of their parents, it seems. If all these kids were drunk they aren't going to charged after the fact. If they were all taking drugs, same thing. However, if someone was passing around tainted stuff then that changes things.

Way back when a woman I worked with went to a party in a vacant abandoned house with about 20 other people. They all took acid. Unfortunately for my friend she developed an acute case of appendicitis. Her behavior freaked out the others and they all took off and left her alone in the house in a rural area. The only reason she's probably alive is that someone faked taking the drug and felt guilty and went back to take her to the hospital. Sometimes teenagers do stuff like that because they fear retribution rather than doing the right thing.

 

[Gemmie]

There is one thousand of totally innocent reasons someone might hold Kiely's phone. Like, she was carrying drinks in both hands, so someone else carried her phone, she asked someone to snap a pic, she dropped a phone, someone picked it up, she wanted to show someone else something funny in the net. and so on and so on. I would not put much weight on the fingerprints on her phone.

What you say is very true, but to me, LE could take a closer look at them during questioning. They could all be ruled out but to me it's something. MOO

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[SteveP]

What you say is very true, but to me, LE could take a closer look at them during questioning. They could all be ruled out but to me it's something. MOO

ETA a

Good thought, but what is the probability that anyone, much less everyone, who may have touched Kiely's phone, would have fingerprints on file? Unless they have previously been charged with a crime, it is unlikely that LE would be able to match any fingerprint found on Kiely's phone to anyone, unless California has some law that I am unaware of. JMO

 

[Gemmie]

Good thought, but what is the probability that anyone, much less everyone, who may have touched Kiely's phone, would have fingerprints on file? Unless they have previously been charged with a crime, it is unlikely that LE would be able to match any fingerprint found on Kiely's phone to anyone, unless California has some law that I am unaware of. JMO

Well, IIRC there was talk of a lot of older guys in attendance so maybe there could be prints on file. I doubt most teens would have prints on file though.

 

[RedHaus]

Well, IIRC there was talk of a lot of older guys in attendance so maybe there could be prints on file. I doubt most teens would have prints on file though.

BBM
You know, @Gemmie, if there is 'outright' foul play involved with KR's death (e.g. a rape / murder, negligent vehicular homicide, OD, disposal, etc.) it would more likely be attributable to the older guys attending, if there were any of course.

ETA: IMO!

 

[Beekarina]

JMO, but I don't think we should categorize Kiely as a homeschooler who didn't know many people. Numerous accounts indicate she was very social, outgoing, well known and well liked in the community.

I think it is possible she could have been the last of her closest friend group as the night got late, IF somehow all the high schoolers left and she was there alone with college aged attendees, but every account we have of her describes a "bad " social butterfly.

Sami's interviews come to mind, and another quick example: Kiely Rodni disappearance: Officials turn focus to massive Truckee campground party where she was last seen

Edited: sorry I did not realize that quote would set off censor. It is within the linked article, by her coworker.

 

[Beekarina]

It also seems very unfair to expect a teen who was at a party for a few minutes to be responsible for another teen.

We have no way of knowing if Kiely may have been drinking prior to the party. She may have been. We do know Mags was uncomfortable with the guys aggressively in her face with bongs, so she may have just found her boyfriend and said "You know what? I'm out of here, not my thing."

She might be a quieter person, and the other girls more into parties.

JMO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

It also seems very unfair to expect a teen who was at a party for a few minutes to be responsible for another teen.

We have no way of knowing if Kiely may have been drinking prior to the party. She may have been. We do know Mags was uncomfortable with the guys aggressively in her face with bongs, so she may have just found her boyfriend and said "You know what? I'm out of here, not my thing."

She might be a quieter person, and the other girls more into parties.

JMO.

I know, but it still makes me sad that they didn’t look out for her a little bit. If she was that drunk and weirdos were at the party, they could have just made her get in the car with them and take her back home.

That’s why I was so astounded in the first few days Keily was missing. Young people who were not responsible enough to make sure their friend was ok at a party were expected to be responsible enough to lead search parties and be at the forefront at press conferences.

jmo

 

[Scrapper18]

Been lurking around this case. But not really participated. There are a couple things bothering me, maybe they’ve been discussed and I missed them?

First, if Kiely was as drunk, or otherwise impaired, as some have indicated, how did she create and send a text to her mom that sounded reasonable and rational? JMO. It seems if she was this far out of it, she may have many texting errors. Also, I wonder if she’d even think to request a curfew extension.

Second, does anyone know if Kiely was known to drive without her seatbelt? If not, could she have had the dexterity to undo her seatbelt? If she did not, is it possible for a body to come out of the seatbelt on its own?

I’m leaning towards a very unfortunate accident. But, I’m not convinced she was extremely drunk or otherwise impaired. All JMO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Been lurking around this case. But not really participated. There are a couple things bothering me, maybe they’ve been discussed and I missed them?

First, if Kiely was as drunk, or otherwise impaired, as some have indicated, how did she create and send a text to her mom that sounded reasonable and rational? JMO. It seems if she was this far out of it, she may have many texting errors. Also, I wonder if she’d even think to request a curfew extension.

Second, does anyone know if Kiely was known to drive without her seatbelt? If not, could she have had the dexterity to undo her seatbelt? If she did not, is it possible for a body to come out of the seatbelt on its own?

I’m leaning towards a very unfortunate accident. But, I’m not convinced she was extremely drunk or otherwise impaired. All JMO.

There was some discussion about the punctuation in Kiely’s text to her mom being a bit off. Aside from that, teens being teens - they grew up texting. I am waaay older than them and can still pull off drunk texting pretty well. (Though I still cringe about who I sent them to and their content the next morning).

There hasn’t been word on whether she was a regular seat belt user. I think she would certainly have unbuckled it when she hit water and tried to escape. It’s difficult to imagine the fear and shock she would have felt at being unsuccessful.

jmo

 

[Beekarina]

I know, but it still makes me sad that they didn’t look out for her a little bit. If she was that drunk and weirdos were at the party, they could have just made her get in the car with them and take her back home.

That’s why I was so astounded in the first few days Keily was missing. Young people who were not responsible enough to make sure their friend was ok at a party were expected to be responsible enough to lead search parties and be at the forefront at press conferences.

jmo

Whoever drove SS home, assuming they were sober, it would have been really nice if they had brought Kiely home, all left together, I agree.

The other thing is, we don't know if anyone DID offer her a ride. It could have been suggested and refused, and we will never know? I think Kiely sounds like she was a pretty strong willed/independent person, even if she was a little younger? It's hard to guess at the dynamic between the group of friends, since all we really have to go on is what people have said in remembrance.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Whoever drove SS home, assuming they were sober, it would have been really nice if they had brought Kiely home, all left together, I agree.

The other thing is, we don't know if anyone DID offer her a ride. It could have been suggested and refused, and we will never know? I think Kiely sounds like she was a pretty strong willed/independent person, even if she was a little younger? It's hard to guess at the dynamic between the group of friends, since all we really have to go on is what people have said in remembrance.

That’s a good point, and one I had not considered. In a way, I would like to imagine that’s how her final hours of life went down. Perhaps she refused a ride, was tipsy, but happy and giddy, feeling fiercely independent, ready to take on the world as a young adult. Driving, singing along with the tunes in her car, just a sudden tragic accident that happened quickly, not terribly painful, and was over in the blink of an eye.

I do want to leave that spirited and joyful picture of her in my mind. I think she’d want that too.

jmo

 

[Gemmie]

First, if Kiely was as drunk, or otherwise impaired, as some have indicated, how did she create and send a text to her mom that sounded reasonable and rational? JMO. It seems if she was this far out of it, she may have many texting errors. Also, I wonder if she’d even think to request a curfew extension.

RSBM for focus.

I mentioned above (currently posts #342, 347 & 349) about fingerprints not hers potentially being on her phone. It's for exactly what you mention. Sending texts that sounded unbuzzed (my word, not yours nor Webster's. lol) and asking for an extension. Someone, other than Kiely, asking for an extension for time to deal with 'things' that got out of hand? I don't know... I'm just hoping her phone is found and there's some sort of evidence on it. For anyone following the Gabby Petito case that's what it's presumed what her fiancé, Brian Laundry did. Used her phone to text Gabby's mom, pretending Gabby was still alive.

 

[SteveP]

RSBM for focus.

I mentioned above (currently posts #342, 347 & 349) about fingerprints not hers potentially being on her phone. It's for exactly what you mention. Sending texts that sounded unbuzzed (my word, not yours nor Webster's. lol) and asking for an extension. Someone, other than Kiely, asking for an extension for time to deal with 'things' that got out of hand? I don't know... I'm just hoping her phone is found and there's some sort of evidence on it. For anyone following the Gabby Petito case that's what it's presumed what her fiancé, Brian Laundry did. Used her phone to text Gabby's mom, pretending Gabby was still alive.

I have no idea if she did, and am thinking she probably didn't, but it is possible that she dictated the texts, in which case, all she would have had to do was tap the microphone in text, and start speaking. JMO

 

[Gemmie]

I have no idea if she did, and am thinking she probably didn't, but it is possible that she dictated the texts, in which case, all she would have had to do was tap the microphone in text, and start speaking. JMO

Would that be able to decipher speaking "cursive" (that's a reference to what the salon owner where Anne Heche bought her red wig calls "sounding drunk and slurring"). That's a serious question. I remember years ago where there was some system that would email you what it believed someone's voicemail said. I got one from the catering department where I worked and it was something about "a nasty turkey sandwich" or the like. I was cracking up! OBVIOUSLY the person leaving the VM did not call their sandwich nasty, but the automatron thought it did!

So anyway, just wondering what a text could look like using the service you describe, if the person was a tad drunk.