GUILTY CA - Lawrence 'Larry' King, 15, fatally shot at Oxnard school, 12 Feb 2008

[PrairieWind]

That is a bit strange only deliberating 2 hours to allow one to go to class. I've never heard of that sort of thing. The school would be required to accomodate her jury service. So make them work around her schedule, not vice versa. ESPECIALLY since the case is in its last few days!

 

[gxm]

If we were discussing whether to try McInernay as a juvenile or an adult, I'd be agreeing with you. Even the head of the local gay legal society called for the case to be remanded to juvenile court.

But we are where we are. A finding of manslaughter will only send a message that gay people are so inherently repulsive that "normal" people can't restrain themselves from killing gays. That's a far more dangerous result than sending McInernay to prison.

Now, once McInernay has been rightfully convicted of first degree murder, then your arguments for mercy will once again have a place. I hope someone will make them during the sentencing portion of the trial.

I understand your point about making an example of Brandon, but I don't believe this was the right case do it with, not with a 14-year old. FWIW, as a minority of 1, I think there's a good chance he'll be convicted of first degree murder. But I was glad to see the defense put up a fight and introduce the mitigating circumstances. Perhaps there will be a juror or two who feel the same way and will force a compromise but, I admit, that prospect is bleak.

Do we know if they have a full day of deliberation today? Or is it just 2 hours every other day? (sigh)

 

[LCoastMom]

I understand your point about making an example of Brandon, but I don't believe this was the right case do it with, not with a 14-year old. FWIW, as a minority of 1, I think there's a good chance he'll be convicted of first degree murder. But I was glad to see the defense put up a fight and introduce the mitigating circumstances. Perhaps there will be a juror or two who feel the same way and will force a compromise but, I admit, that prospect is bleak.

Do we know if they have a full day of deliberation today? Or is it just 2 hours every other day? (sigh)

The VCStar made it sound like Monday and Wednesday are the days of concern, so today should be a full day (unless anyone else had a scheduling conflict :crazy: )!

 

[joe jones]

I haven't been able to find any news on jury deliberations since Tuesday, I wonder howe they are gettin on, I know Wednesday was going to be another 2 hour day as one of the jurors had class again,

 

[PrairieWind]

I think it would be just about impossible to get any real deliberating done in just two hour blocks. By the time the jurors get in, chit-chat for a few minutes, settle down, and catch up on what they had done before and where they were, half the time is gone. Certainly the last 15 minutes or so nothing of value is going to get done since everyone is getting ready to leave. It just seems pointless.

 

[joe jones]

I think it would be just about impossible to get any real deliberating done in just two hour blocks. By the time the jurors get in, chit-chat for a few minutes, settle down, and catch up on what they had done before and where they were, half the time is gone. Certainly the last 15 minutes or so nothing of value is going to get done since everyone is getting ready to leave. It just seems pointless.

if they have any alternates they should dismiss the juror who is holding up deliberations and move it along,

the 11 other jurors are probably not happy that they are still in deliberations and have to keep coming back for short days

 

[gxm]

I haven't been able to find any news on jury deliberations since Tuesday, I wonder howe they are gettin on, I know Wednesday was going to be another 2 hour day as one of the jurors had class again,

Neither have I. This is very frustrating and really makes me wonder what is going on.

 

[PrairieWind]

Joe, I bet you're right; i'm sure they other jurors can't be too happy about this. If they just had the jury deliberate normally, full days, this thing might be done by now.

 

[gxm]

Deliberating in fits and starts, IMO, is conducive to confusion, annoyance, and lack of focus. Considering the severity of the charges, it's completely inappropriate. (And if it's not already obvious, it's getting on my last nerve!)

 

[PrairieWind]

I agree GXM. Not sure who that hurts most. Normally I would say confusion would help the defendant. But not so sure here. The defense put up a different defense here that they want the jury to pay attention too.

 

[gxm]

I agree PrairieWind. Normally it might help the defense but in this case I think it might hurt them.

 

[joe jones]

I think it helps the defence, the jurors are going to get more and more pissed off as the days go by and they have to adhere to one jurors schedule which is dragging out the process,

they are likely to come to a compromise verdict to get it over with, if they don't all agree on murder 1 they may not take the time to look again at all the evidence for murder 1 and just say lets compromise on a lesser verdict so we can get out of here

 

[gxm]

Is anyone tweeting the trial? The media seem so quiet.

 

[joe jones]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/gay-slaying-jury.html

jury hang, I hope they re try it as 1st degree murder, and don't do some kind of plea for lesser charges for expediency sake,

 

[gxm]

IIRC, Brandon refused a plea before the trial began so I'm not sure he'd go for one this time, unless it's better than the first offer.

I know mine is an unpopular opinion but I think it was a very bad move for the state to try him as an adult. They may very well have overplayed themselves out of a verdict.

I wonder what the split was.

 

[LCoastMom]

McInerney jury unable to reach verdict in 3 votes; mistrial a possibility

The jury in the Brandon McInerney murder trial told the judge this morning that they had taken three votes and had not been able to reach a unanimous verdict.

Judge Charles Campbell told the jury to deliberate further and come back at 2 p.m. If they can’t reach a verdict by then, the judge said he would declare a mistrial.

The jury foreman said it didn’t seem like more votes or deliberation would change the outcome. The jury has been deliberating since Friday afternoon.

<<Updated>>

The trial lasted eight weeks and the jury has been deliberating for about 15 hours. The jury got the case on Friday, but several days they deliberated for only two to three hours.

Previous offers of 25-years to life were rejected by McInerney's lawyers because of the "to life" part..


http://www.vcstar.com/news/2011/sep/01/mcinerney-jury-unable-to-reach-verdict-in-3-a/

Come on people pull together!! I think the earlier posts here were correct. Half this week was wasted...what a shame.

 

[PrairieWind]

Wow. Seems awful fast to be telling the judge you can't get a verdict. Must be gut wrenching for King's family.

 

[joe jones]

IIRC, Brandon refused a plea before the trial began so I'm not sure he'd go for one this time, unless it's better than the first offer.

I know mine is an unpopular opinion but I think it was a very bad move for the state to try him as an adult. They may very well have overplayed themselves out of a verdict.

I wonder what the split was.

I think he should have been tried as a juvenile, and convicted of first degree murder which is the crime he committed in my opinion,

I knew of the original plea discussions, and I hope the DA does not offer him a plea to plead out to lesser than 1st degree,

 

[joe jones]

Wow. Seems awful fast to be telling the judge you can't get a verdict. Must be gut wrenching for King's family.

if they had deliberated like most jurors for full days 15 hours of deliberations would be about 2 days, so the jury may have gone longer, but because of the short days the 15 hours has been spread over more than 4 days, and the jury has had enough

the judge should have kicked the jury with the scheduling issues and allowed the jury to deliberate without them constantly having to stop after a few hours,

 

[PrairieWind]

if they had deliberated like most jurors for full days 15 hours of deliberations would be about 2 days, so the jury may have gone longer, but because of the short days the 15 hours has been spread over more than 4 days, and the jury has had enough

the judge should have kicked the jury with the scheduling issues and allowed the jury to deliberate without them constantly having to stop after a few hours,

I agree. I would hope this case would serve as an example of why not to schedule deliberations around juror's schedules when it really wasnt necessary.