GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #2

[cluciano63]

Sounds like LE is removing things, not the family. I guess doing it while they are not there makes sense. So it must be items for evidence.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

In the article posted upthread (previous page?) where it talked about the canines picking up the scent of even microscopic blood, it mentioned that they were going to take them through the house. It could be those items are being taken out for closer examination based on results of the canine search. Just speculation...

 

[Dee10]

At the Fowler home Tuesday, a large rental truck was parked in the driveway, and a number of items were removed from the house and loaded in the truck.

Also Tuesday, at a nearby pond, divers were in the water, continuing the search for evidence.

One other new element of the investigation involved dogs from the FBI brought to the scene.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=244285

Isn't this day 10? They are still at the house taking things out & processing the area around the house. They have brought dogs from Washington DC to Calif. They have fingerprints & DNA. For some reason they don't believe the killer took the murder weapon with him it seems. The sketch is not done. There seems to be an elephant in the room. I am not interested in a debate except to talk about what the media says. The media seems to contradict things though at this point. I have not make up my mind in anyway, but hello I do see the elephant & I can't pretend he is invisible. The truth will be what it is, I have always believed it is up to us to face it; not cover it or hide it to be effective. Not sure the truth in this case, but I am open to all possibilities & am waiting for more information.

ETA - Cheese, I was just jumping off your post

 

[wwc02]

I don't think a news anchor would be likely to report that the FBI were helping them move...I'm pretty sure it's evidence-based removal if the FBI are said to be doing it. Just my take on it...may be wrong.

Besides, the street and home are still considered 'crime scene' and closed off. Doubt the family would be allowed to remove furniture and other items yet.

Perhaps the owner was having contract work done. Or perhaps a previous occupant is of interest. Was the home furnished? If I recall, and early post suggested the home was rented?

 

[wwc02]

Well, what's weird about this case is, if she was calling him about drywall work, why did she need him to pick her up (at which point they went to his residence)? Then after telling her she "can't go" he takes her to a jobsite, but then lets her go to a public building across the street. That doesn't make sense, even for a stupid criminal.<snip>

The timeline suggests that she was "captive" for upwards of 9 days. Perhaps he thought that she did not have the courage to betray him. Perhaps her bravery saved her life. If there happens to be a link, she may become a key witness.

Edit: Correction. Wrong time frame. The news report was yesterday 5/6-7, but Bays appeared to have been arrested on 05/2. Thus, she was "captive" for 4 days and Bays appears to be in the Calaveras Jail on a million dollar bail since May 2nd.
From the Placerville arrest log.
http://www.sacbee.com/2009/01/22/1566216/placerville-arrest-log.html
See the Bays arrest record.
Apparently the home residence explains the log entry for El Dorado county while the arrest was in Calaveras County.
The arrest date is not stated in one news report and you had to infer the date from the other news report. Just too weird.

 

[snapdragon]

Isn't this day 10? They are still at the house taking things out & processing the area around the house. They have brought dogs from Washington DC to Calif. They have fingerprints & DNA. For some reason they don't believe the killer took the murder weapon with him it seems. The sketch is not done. There seems to be an elephant in the room. I am not interested in a debate except to talk about what the media says. The media seems to contradict things though at this point. I have not make up my mind in anyway, but hello I do see the elephant & I can't pretend he is invisible. The truth will be what it is, I have always believed it is up to us to face it; not cover it or hide it to be effective. Not sure the truth in this case, but I am open to all possibilities & am waiting for more information.

ETA - Cheese, I was just jumping off your post

Yeah.. if this is accurate, I am not liking where this investigation is going. Time will tell. Foremost is JUSTICE FOR LEILA! Hoping/praying that LE nabs the right offender soon and swift.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I expect something very major by Friday. IMO


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[wwc02]

<snip>They have brought dogs from Washington DC to Calif.<snip>

I was curious about this. FBI headquarters is in DC, but were the dogs possibly being transported from Washington state? The report I saw did not specify and omitted "DC" after "Washington." Unfortunately, there are training opportunities in DC.

 

[wwc02]

Calaveras newspaper suggests that Bays was arrested 05/06. News reports then issued.
http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/News-of-Record/News-of-record-for-May-6-2013

The Placerville arrest log suggests the Bays was arrested on 05/02 and lists Calaveras SD as the source.
http://www.sacbee.com/2009/01/22/1566216/placerville-arrest-log.html

Booking log. Bays (male) was arrested 05/02 kidnapping Level F Highway 26 Glencoe
http://sheriff.co.calaveras.ca.us/Portals/sheriff/Logs/Booking Logs/Booking_Log_05-03-2013.pdf

Booking log. Smith (female) from same residence arrested 05/06 kidnapping Level F DAs Office
http://sheriff.co.calaveras.ca.us/Portals/sheriff/Logs/Booking Logs/Booking_Log_05-07-2013.pdf

Summary: Arrest on May 02 of Placerville man on highway 26, Glencoe, 20 mi East of Valley Springs, Calaveras County. Arrest on May 06 of Placerville woman in the Calaveras DAs office. Both listed as having the same Placerville (El Dorado County) address. Both Level F (felony) kidnapping. A satellite image of their Placerville address indicates a secluded location.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Laura Anthony &#8207;@LauraAnthony7 3m

Leila Fowler funeral while FBI removes dozens of items from family home in Valley Springs, including TV and vacuum. pic.twitter.com/NbcPdUoQ7z

Hummm, I'm pretty sure I know where this investigation is going. Hoping and praying an arrest is made soon. Praying for this angel to get justice. :moo:

 

[Theforeigner]

In this article a suspect seem to be mentioned.

But due to that english is not my first languish I can´t figure out who this suspect is, or more precisely; who it is that suspect this person?

Do I understand it right that it is an acquaintance of the Fowler family who suspect a person?

OR does it mean that an acquaintance of the Fowler family is a suspect?


All in all, this info is kind of confusing, most of all because such a suspect, as mentioned in the article, has not been mentioned anywere else.
AND to me it seems like the writer of the article is saying that this suspect possibly was at the crimescene BEFORE Leila's parents???!!!

http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/opinion/article_8635d788-b734-11e2-9f39-001a4bcf887a.html

Quote:

But as the hours and days passed, many simple questions about specifics continued to be asked, difficult questions to be sure, but important. Engaging the public in the investigation, as demonstrated by the Boston Marathon bombing, can help solve crimes and perhaps prevent more of them from occurring.

Authorities here could have been more forthcoming, more quickly.

Who was first on the scene? Was the family or their acquaintances suspect? Was the house open or locked? How quickly were search dogs employed and did they alert on any scent? Was anything missing from the house? Was a murder weapon recovered? How quickly was a cordon created? Were sufficient forces available early enough to have made a difference? Were they kept in place? Have parolees and sex offenders in the area been questioned? What evidence has been collected and what does it tell us? How did the killer elude the manhunt? Endless questions.

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

In this article a suspect seem to be mentioned.

But due to that english is not my first languish I can´t figure out who this suspect is, or more precisely; who it is that suspect this person?

Do I understand it right that it is an acquaintance of the Fowler family who suspect a person?

OR does it mean that an acquaintance of the Fowler family is a suspect?


All in all, this info is kind of confusing, most of all because such a suspect, as mentioned in the article, has not been mentioned anywere else.
AND to me it seems like the writer of the article is saying that this suspect possibly was at the crimescene BEFORE Leila's parents???!!!

http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/opinion/article_8635d788-b734-11e2-9f39-001a4bcf887a.html

Quote:

But as the hours and days passed, many simple questions about specifics continued to be asked, difficult questions to be sure, but important. Engaging the public in the investigation, as demonstrated by the Boston Marathon bombing, can help solve crimes and perhaps prevent more of them from occurring.

Authorities here could have been more forthcoming, more quickly.

Who was first on the scene? Was the family or their acquaintances suspect? Was the house open or locked? How quickly were search dogs employed and did they alert on any scent? Was anything missing from the house? Was a murder weapon recovered? How quickly was a cordon created? Were sufficient forces available early enough to have made a difference? Were they kept in place? Have parolees and sex offenders in the area been questioned? What evidence has been collected and what does it tell us? How did the killer elude the manhunt? Endless questions.

Ok, dont worry about your English because even I had to do a second and third read on it. It's not written quite properly because it leads to the very confusion you have. What they are meaning to say is the family being suspect OR an acquaintance being suspect. The writer could have been clearer by using the word suspect twice but at any rate, it seems they are just asking the question is a family is suspect or acquaintance is suspect, not saying though that it is in fact one or the other.

Oh the lovely English language. Everytime I feel sorry for myself for my bad German learning, I think of all the English learners...

 

[The Cheese]

In this article a suspect seem to be mentioned.

But due to that english is not my first languish I can´t figure out who this suspect is, or more precisely; who it is that suspect this person?

Do I understand it right that it is an acquaintance of the Fowler family who suspect a person?

OR does it mean that an acquaintance of the Fowler family is a suspect?


All in all, this info is kind of confusing, most of all because such a suspect, as mentioned in the article, has not been mentioned anywere else.
AND to me it seems like the writer of the article is saying that this suspect possibly was at the crimescene BEFORE Leila's parents???!!!

http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/opinion/article_8635d788-b734-11e2-9f39-001a4bcf887a.html

Quote:

But as the hours and days passed, many simple questions about specifics continued to be asked, difficult questions to be sure, but important. Engaging the public in the investigation, as demonstrated by the Boston Marathon bombing, can help solve crimes and perhaps prevent more of them from occurring.

Authorities here could have been more forthcoming, more quickly.

Who was first on the scene? Was the family or their acquaintances suspect? Was the house open or locked? How quickly were search dogs employed and did they alert on any scent? Was anything missing from the house? Was a murder weapon recovered? How quickly was a cordon created? Were sufficient forces available early enough to have made a difference? Were they kept in place? Have parolees and sex offenders in the area been questioned? What evidence has been collected and what does it tell us? How did the killer elude the manhunt? Endless questions.

They're not saying there is a suspect, foreigner. The way "suspect" is being used in that sentence is a description rather than a noun. Note that it's asking a question, not making a statement. Another way of saying it would be - "Was the family under suspicion? Were any of their acquaintances under suspicion?"

I hope that explains it. Also note that it's an editorial piece, not a news article. The writer is just expressing his thoughts about the case.

 

[Dee10]

I was curious about this. FBI headquarters is in DC, but were the dogs possibly being transported from Washington state? The report I saw did not specify and omitted "DC" after "Washington." Unfortunately, there are training opportunities in DC.

"Additionally, FBI crime dogs trained in tracking blood arrived in Calaveras County from Washington, D.C., on Monday and will scout the crime scene this week." http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/Authorities-step-up-evidence-search

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

They're not saying there is a suspect, foreigner. The way "suspect" is being used in that sentence is a description rather than a noun. Note that it's asking a question, not making a statement. Another way of saying it would be - "Was the family under suspicion? Were any of their acquaintances under suspicion?"

I hope that explains it. Also note that it's an editorial piece, not a news article. The writer is just expressing his thoughts about the case.

Also to follow up on what I wrote earlier and this comment, the second sentence in that article is not related to the first sentence, even though it looks like it is related. Also leads to some confusion.

 

[Theforeigner]

They're not saying there is a suspect, foreigner. The way "suspect" is being used in that sentence is a description rather than a noun. Note that it's asking a question, not making a statement. Another way of saying it would be - "Was the family under suspicion? Were any of their acquaintances under suspicion?"

I hope that explains it. Also note that it's an editorial piece, not a news article. The writer is just expressing his thoughts about the case.

Zuckerschnecke and The Cheese

Thanks for your responses.

But It seems to me that the writer, obviously a local due to he is writing in calaverasenterprise.com, is refereing to some kind of possibly local concern about who arrived first at the crime scene, like was it the family, OR was it another person arriving first, meaning this "their acquaintances suspect" .

 

[Theforeigner]

Also to follow up on what I wrote earlier and this comment, the second sentence in that article is not related to the first sentence, even though it looks like it is related. Also leads to some confusion.

AH yes! now I understand, thank you.

What he ment was different questions like :

Who was first on the scene?
Was the family or their acquaintances suspect?
Was the house open or locked?

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

AH yes! now I understand, thank you.

What he ment was different questions like :

Who was first on the scene?
Was the family or their acquaintances suspect?
Was the house open or locked?

Exactly! It is not well written because it's kind of bouncing around but not necessarily 'bad' english.

I'm a native English speaker as well as having excelled at it enough to test out of it in college, and I definitely had to do a double-take.

 

[wwc02]

<snip>My head is starting to spin...

Mine has more than started. As per post #389; He appears to have had an accomplice (Smith). If these arrests are related to the LF case; a few things are explained. There would have been no need for a parked vehicle. Highly speculative on my part.
http://sheriff.co.calaveras.ca.us/Portals/sheriff/Logs/Booking Logs/Booking_Log_05-07-2013.pdf

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

Mine has more than started. As per post #389; He appears to have had an accomplice (Smith). If these arrests are related to the LF case; a few things are explained. There would have been no need for a parked vehicle. Highly speculative on my part.
http://sheriff.co.calaveras.ca.us/Portals/sheriff/Logs/Booking Logs/Booking_Log_05-07-2013.pdf

I am not sure if the cases are connected but it could very well be that someone turned in the other one and gave the investigators in Leila's case the suspect they needed. Only speculation on my part because I do find it odd that they just happen to find a home where kids were home alone and it's not like it's on a main road. It would be nice to have her case solved but I'm on the fence with them being connected.