CA CA - Lydia "Dia" Abrams, 65, Idyllwild, 6 Jun 2020

[Desert Cruiser]

MOO... it could be safe to say Dia did not tend to the horses that evening...
putting them away and such to avoid harm from wild animals?
Curious what happened with that?

 

[Curious Me]

It doesn't have the appearance that peeps responsible for the grow were involved, it almost seems they were surprised due to the processed product still onsite.

Hmm... great thinking, Desert Cruiser, and thanks for bringing it up. There was very little time. Friends searched on Sunday. LE was on property Monday 6/8 and warrants filed 6/9. Maybe somebody had to scramble fast and not ask anyone to help.

Not pointing fingers at anyone here, but getting rid of murder evidence would be the main priority. Don't want to drive with a body and so much pot? It's possible the actual growers were away for the weekend? Or, like you said, the actual growers were not involved and were taken by surprise and lost their product and the monetary value to LE confiscation.

Warrant
https://interactive.cbs8.com/pdf/marijuana_grow_warrant.pdf

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/investigations/detectives-serve-search-warrants-dia-abrams-missing-person-case-former-la-jolla-woman/509-eeee1ab8-faa0-49c3-bd39-3e82ec564d9c

 

[Curious Me]

My conclusion on her walking to Garner Valley is out. Nobody would walk that far on that road when they had a car or truck.

Wow, you checked it out yourself. I just can't see her walking that far to "reign in those horses" on a regular basis like the fiancé says especially late in the day. (I take offense when lied to.)

 

[Curious Me]

MOO... it could be safe to say Dia did not tend to the horses that evening...
putting them away and such to avoid harm from wild animals?
Curious what happened with that?

What did happen to the horses that night? KH should have included that he immediately got in his truck to go look for Dia and he went to the horse site because "she regularly walked there" at that time of day. Checking there he could have reigned in the horses himself, but he didn't say. He didn't share how he looked for her when he came back from mowing the meadow, and found her MISSING as in mysteriously GONE. The way I understand it-- got friends looking for her on Sunday, then off he went on his business trip sometime before LE arrived on Monday. Yes, that still doesn't sit well with me.

 

[coastal]

Wow, you checked it out yourself. I just can't see her walking that far to "reign in those horses" on a regular basis like the fiancé says especially late in the day. (I take offense when lied to.)

You've reminded me of something I saw earlier, which is the phrase 'reigning in the horses.' One uses 'reins' to guide and control a horse. Reins= a noun (She held the reigns firmly). Reins can also be a verb (She reined her horse skillfully around the barrels), but to 'rein in the horses' suggests control of bridled horses, which wouldn't be the case here. Its the wrong word if what Dia reportedly intended to do was gather the horses into the barn for the night. In that case, she would call them in or catch them or even herd them in, but she wouldn't refer to that activity as "reining" them. I know its a small thing, and probably has no bearing on her disappearance, but it bothers me that Dia's fiancee' isn't speaking as if he knows anything about horses or about Dia's daily horse-related activities.

And sure, anybody can use any word they like, anytime. It just rings false to me, if, in fact, that is what he said, and he was not misquoted in print.

 

[Desert Cruiser]

MOO... it could be safe to say Dia did not tend to the horses that evening...
putting them away and such to avoid harm from wild animals?
Curious what happened with that?

 

[Curious Me]

... Dia's fiancee' isn't speaking as if he knows anything about horses or about Dia's daily horse-related activities.

Oops, now you know the truth-- I don't know much about horses. I've been using the wrong spelling. Anyways, I think it would be better to say "gather the horses", but really can't imagine what that entails. How many horses did she have?
Do You 'Rein In' or 'Reign In' Something?

 

[coastal]

I'm afraid Dia might have been "reined in", and the correct word was used after all.

 

[coastal]

Oops, now you know the truth-- I don't know much about horses. I've been using the wrong spelling. Anyways, I think it would be better to say "gather the horses", but really can't imagine what that entails. How many horses did she have?
Do You 'Rein In' or 'Reign In' Something?

I spelled it wrong too, writing that, lol. More than once. I wasn't picking on you - or the boyfriend either, really. Its just that, the word, however it is spelled, implies a controlled action that is simply not required in order to stable horses. I don't know how many she had, but more than one. Horses are herd animals, prey animals. They willingly follow a lead, a whistle, a shake of the grain bag. A beloved voice. Especially, each other. So to get them in. especially if there are several, needs no reining. No control in the sense the word implies. You might lead one, or two, with a rope attached to a halter on the horse, but reins implies a bridle, which horses don't wear unless they are being ridden. (Bridlesn have bits, and reins.) Usually, horses will be hungry, waiting for a call. Even if you had to catch a stubborn one, half a carrot or a swig of Dr. Pepper does the trick. No reining.

Maybe its just me, I'll quit. Blame my mother for this one.

 

[slowpoke]

I, too, was questioning what KH meant about “reining the horses” which he oddly included in his answer to the interviewer’s question in the interview of “What items were left behind?”

What my ears hear him saying was this (from the video) (bolded by me):

Interviewer: What items did—were left behind?
KH: She leaves her purse on the counter.
She talks about going down and reining the horses—she does that all the time. She usually leaves at about 5 o’clock. She gets back at about, oh, probably, 7:30, quarter to 8.
Interviewer: To go down to Garner Valley?
KH: Yes.

I googled reining horses. One definition could be related to a sport, a competitive event:

Reining is defined on the NRHA web site as a judged event designed to show the athletic ability of a ranch type horse within the confines of a show arena. In NRHA competition, contestants are required to run one of ten approved reining patterns, included in the NRHA Handbook.

What Is Reining?

I wonder what KH meant when he used the phrase.

 

[stuntpuppy]

I am starting to wonder about something...just a thought. He makes special point to point out that someone came bye to fix a water heater and that person had a conversation with Dia on that same day. What if...that person is in on it and he never saw Dia that day or even came bye at all. What if she was killed the day before or ...even longer! He takes plenty of time to get rid her body and then claims she just disappeared hours ago and he's baffled. A frantic search starts like she could still be alive or close bye when she has been gone for days. I'd like to know who physically saw her before she was gone and when that was. It's so far back in there that no one would know if she was gone for a year if nothing was said to the contrary. Facebook posts could even be done by him to look like she's been home on the computer.

 

[Sun Spot]

I am starting to wonder about something...just a thought. He makes special point to point out that someone came bye to fix a water heater and that person had a conversation with Dia on that same day. What if...that person is in on it and he never saw Dia that day or even came bye at all. What if she was killed the day before or ...even longer! He takes plenty of time to get rid her body and then claims she just disappeared hours ago and he's baffled. A frantic search starts like she could still be alive or close bye when she has been gone for days. I'd like to know who physically saw her before she was gone and when that was. It's so far back in there that no one would know if she was gone for a year if nothing was said to the contrary. Facebook posts could even be done by him to look like she's been home on the computer.

Bingo!!!!!

 

[Curious Me]

Usually, horses will be hungry, waiting for a call. Even if you had to catch a stubborn one, half a carrot or a swig of Dr. Pepper does the trick. No reining.

Horses like Dr. Pepper? Me too! Just kidding now. I got a lot out of your posts about gathering horses. Sounds much gentler than I was imagining.

He makes special point to point out that someone came bye to fix a water heater and that person had a conversation with Dia on that same day.

You're thinking outside the box which is a good thing. Glad you're sharing your thoughts and speculations. No harm having a back and forth convo on our ideas.

Here's MOO-- More time with no one knowing would give him time to do a better job of cleaning up and not having to take a blatant business trip at the wrong time.

He'd have to be a complete idiot to give false info to LE. There's no doubt LE asked for the name of the plumber or handyman and checked out if the story was true. He injected something about Dia being in a "good mood or spirits" that morning... did that mood change later? Then he said something about tending the horses, and they had lunch. That's when she mentioned wanting to TALK and it was the LAST TIME he would ever see her. Supposedly, they texted around 4 p.m. LE will check all that out. If you read one of the warrants I posted above, LE leaves no stone unturned. They went to his NM business, they seized his RV, they're on it. Just MOO. I did consider the hot water repair being possibly on the grow property and it sparked an argument between Dia and KH. She wanted to talk. About what? Why'd he even mention that?

 

[stuntpuppy]

For sure...but my thoughts are checking out the water heater guy. Is he licensed or just some guy who fixed it who could be a buddy and not a repair guy at all who was random or had been there before. I know they will check this out but we have not heard any of that to date...or I don't think we have. I also find it odd that he always speaks of her in past tense. Usually when you are talking along and you just spit it out that means you know. He said she was a couple of times as well instead of she is. I still hope she left for her own reasons and hasn't been hurt or killed. I just like keeping hope. That ranch is so secluded back in there that it's crazy. The last stretch of the road to get back to the ranch seems private. The sign led me to believe I shouldn't go back there unless I had business there. I drove back anyway. I am anxious to see what we find out next....

 

[Curious Me]

I also find it odd that he always speaks of her in past tense.

Yes! Good catch. In his mind she is gone as in the last time he saw her was that last lunch they had when she wanted to talk.

The property was 116 acres. KH said the gate was always locked. Did you get as far as the locked gate area when you took a trip there? Hope they do interrogate that water heater guy as to whether he's a KH buddy or an actual handyman. Most liars like to thread some truth into their lies. That's why I think Dia wanting to have a TALK means something.

Possibly of interest (about an hour west of Garner Valley):
7 killed in shooting at illegal marijuana grow operation in Riverside County, Sheriff’s Dept. says | FOX 5 San Diego

I read some on the Anza Crime Watch FB that you might find interesting about those killings. Is it true they left the pot, and that they're more after the money and guns?

That site also had a missing poster of Dia further down the page. A few people in the area knew her.

 

[stuntpuppy]

It would be hard to get beyond the gate. Very secluded back there and then all of a sudden there is this huge beautiful ranch. You wouldn't really want to wonder back there. As I said before....she could have been gone long before she was said to be missing. No one would ever know...

 

[Curious Me]

It would be hard to get beyond the gate. Very secluded back there and then all of a sudden there is this huge beautiful ranch. You wouldn't really want to wonder back there. As I said before....she could have been gone long before she was said to be missing. No one would ever know...

Can you try to explain what it would matter if she was gone longer?

I see it as bad planning or a bad cover up if she had been gone awhile. KH reported her missing and it seemed like a rushed trip to take his RV to another state. Sure didn't make him look less involved! A big grow site was left with product there to be discovered and confiscated. Are other people missing perhaps? It doesn't seem like she was gone longer and someone took that time to accomplish a better cover up.

I just don't see what it would matter if she was gone longer unless it ties in to some property tran$fer or financial motive.

Are you assuming she had no social life where friends, farm hands, or staff members weren't in touch with her on a regular basis? It was perhaps secluded property, but some of it was used for business. There's Airbnb reviews from people that stayed there, and some mention Dia... so people did come and go on some of the property.

Maybe she had security staff, someone she trusted to guard or oversee. Those renters on the grow site must have had ways to guard their product. It's seems reasonable that LE would find out fast if no one had seen her in weeks. But I really want to know what your theory is on why it would matter if she had been gone longer and to what advantage ...please help me understand.

 

[Curious Me]

Please help me understand your theory.

As I said before....she could have been gone long before she was said to be missing. No one would ever know...

GOING
Going back to the 1st thread. This is going to be a longer post to help bump info obtained from the beginning of this case.

I tried to find the Airbnb reviews that mentioned Dia, but they're missing like she is. There were reviews from people who met Dia on the property. I saw those reviews, but they're gone now.

I did find reviews mentioning the Host "Diana" taking care of the properties. There's a pic of her. I found this review from August 2020:
Vacation Rentals, Homes, Experiences & Places - Airbnb
snipped... "The cabin is great for cooking, entertaining and relaxing. There’s also workout equipment so you can keep up with your fitness. Harper and Diana are very accommodating, we got a complete tour of all the property..."

(Please note there may be two Diana's . I'm not sure Host Diana is the same person that was the one mentioned in the news article reporting Dia missing.)
Friends and family of missing woman remain hopeful | Valley News
“Although the sheriff’s search and investigation is still ongoing, Dia has been formally declared a missing person,” Diana Souza said. “If you see her,... "

@SoHelpMeGod did a great job researching Dia's properties. Look at Post #203 and some other posts on the 1st thread to get an idea of the recent Airbnb business.

My point being Dia had staff and a life on that property and would be noticed if missing. It's true that the businesses meant more strangers were coming and going on the properties, as well as staff, farm hands, handymen, etc.,

First Thread, Post 203--
CA - CA - 4 (previously 6) individuals missing near Idyllwild, summer 2020

Dia's properties and to check out the current reviews:
Listings from Diana

The main house is available for weddings or special functions.
Please check out our site: ********. Rooms in the main house are also available to rent at air bnb *** bonitavista...***.

Please note this is MOO and some Bolded By Me.

 

[coastal]

It’d be useful to know Dia’s daily routine regarding tending to the horses in Garner Valley, which if I’m recalling correctly, is 7 miles from the ranch home.

I know nothing about caring for horses, even as far as feeding. How often does one them? We heard they went in the morning to feed them. Do they put enough feed to last the day, or was it her practice to go back there in the PM to feed them again? What is reining horses, anyway? Exercising them?

If going in the late afternoon/ evening, like you, I have my doubts she would walk 7 miles there and back. Walking 7 miles there could take about 2 hrs+20 min. (est. 1 mile = 20 min). If it were me, I would drive. Unless I’m mistaken regarding the distance, and it’s a lot closer. MOO

I used to do a nightly 10 mile bike ride, but I was 12. I agree, Dia probably didn't walk the 7 miles. Could she have ridden a horse? Sure. But I think she probably drove, too. Begging the question, what did she usually drive? IDK.

You would feed stabled horses a bucket of grain in the morning, and then turn them out to graze for the day. Some horses stay outside all the time, weather permitting, but most are brought inside overnight. Come dusk, you go to the field you turned them out into, whistle for them, or call, and they will come to you, following each other, to the barn, where one person is able to handle getting even 8 or 10 bedded down for the night. Another round of grains, fresh water in their stalls, and a supply of hay for bedding or munching on, and you're done until the morning, early.

That's how I did it, anyway. If Dia's horses were for pleasure riding, her routine would look like that. IMO

HTH

 

[slowpoke]

Please help me understand your theory.


GOING
Going back to the 1st thread. This is going to be a longer post to help bump info obtained from the beginning of this case.

I tried to find the Airbnb reviews that mentioned Dia, but they're missing like she is. There were reviews from people who met Dia on the property. I saw those reviews, but they're gone now.

I did find reviews mentioning the Host "Diana" taking care of the properties. There's a pic of her. I found this review from August 2020:
Vacation Rentals, Homes, Experiences & Places - Airbnb
snipped... "The cabin is great for cooking, entertaining and relaxing. There’s also workout equipment so you can keep up with your fitness. Harper and Diana are very accommodating, we got a complete tour of all the property..."

(Please note there may be two Diana's . I'm not sure Host Diana is the same person that was the one mentioned in the news article reporting Dia missing.)
Friends and family of missing woman remain hopeful | Valley News
“Although the sheriff’s search and investigation is still ongoing, Dia has been formally declared a missing person,” Diana Souza said. “If you see her,... "

@SoHelpMeGod did a great job researching Dia's properties. Look at Post #203 and some other posts on the 1st thread to get an idea of the recent Airbnb business.

My point being Dia had staff and a life on that property and would be noticed if missing. It's true that the businesses meant more strangers were coming and going on the properties, as well as staff, farm hands, handymen, etc.,

First Thread, Post 203--
CA - CA - 4 (previously 6) individuals missing near Idyllwild, summer 2020

Dia's properties and to check out the current reviews:
Listings from Diana

The main house is available for weddings or special functions.
Please check out our site: ********. Rooms in the main house are also available to rent at air bnb *** bonitavista...***.

Please note this is MOO and some Bolded By Me.

Thanks for that video of her Bonita Vista Ranch. I guess I didn’t realize how vast her property is. Looks like an amazing place. But, gee, so secluded where likely there are no neighbors close by enough to know what could have happened to Dia.

Yes, I’m confused by “Diana” or “Dianas”. How many are there?

Early news articles of Dia mention a Diana Souza, who I think must be a friend of hers, who, according to the news began posting on Facebook anout Dia’s disappearance.

Then, there is a Diana who is the Airbnb host of Dia’s properties. No last name that I have seen.

But then, when you go to the Garner Valley Mountain Retreat’s reviews, the reviewer Adrian says he’s the first to book the place (he writes this 5/2020) and thanks Dia by name personally for her helpfulness and hospitality during his stay, and said Dia took them out to the farm to see the animals. BUT, then “Diana” responds to his post almost sounding like SHE was the one Adrian dealt with. “I was so honored to have Adrian choose my ranch...” Dia is not Diana...is she? The photo on the Airbnb page of “Diana” does not look like Dia, to me.

Maybe it’s just my ignorance because I don’t know how Airbnb works, never having stayed anywhere through a property this way.
Vacation Rentals, Homes, Experiences & Places - Airbnb