Found Deceased CA - Madyson Middleton, 8, Santa Cruz, 26 July 2015 - #1 *Arrest*

[EllieBee]

I wonder if there are pictures of the searches... And if the perp can be recognized in them?

There were pictures found of GG at the vigil and elsewhere once we found he was responsible...

Maybe we are not allowed to do this?

:JMO...

Short answer is : pretty sure there are pics which show him

Allowed answer is: not allowed here

 

[gitana1]

I imagine they have the same access as anyone as they have the internet although not that many have the money for it.

This kind of stuff is available all over the world. All of it. The music, the games, the .

I hate it. I think it is really really bad stuff. Garbage that goes into your mind is there.

Are these kinds of crimes by teen boys increasing all over the world? I don't know.

I don't know if these crimes are increasing. But I do know that some teen killers are found to have been watching a lot of violent content but some seem to have zero history of being interested in anything violent or scary.

And we have no information yet about the perp. He will be tried as an adult though, I'm sure. So then we will be able to talk.

 

[EllieBee]

raging hormones of a teen boy and an available, accessible target.

Respectfully, most, if not all teenaged boys have raging hormones. How many are rapists?

Teen girls also have raging hormones. Somehow it is THEIR job to not inflame the desires of their male counterparts because, you know, boys will be boys.

Now we find out any female orifice, no matter the age, should be expected to find herself a victim of rape and murder because, gosh darn it, hormones?

" If those little girls on scooters hadn't inflamed my male lust for which I cannot POSSIBLY be held accountable for..."

What THE FARK?

Seriously?

Removing myself before I get a vacay.

 

[corundogs]

Short answer is : pretty sure there are pics which show him

Allowed answer is: not allowed here

The picture in question has disappeared. At least by my searches.

 

[HarvestMoon]

I'm an adult and get nervous in that area, in spite of loving the boardwalk. I'm always watching everything/everyone around me, even more than I usually do. The sad thing is if I'm reading it right the poor kid wasn't even over where she wasn't supposed to be.

(also not to get too derailed on the trash can debate, but I'm in CA and all of ours are black/grey - they just have painted labels to say recycling, green waste, etc.)

We used to go very regularly. Until 2 years ago when we were staying at a hotel on Ocean Ave. where we regularly stayed. We left the hotel on a warm summer evening to walk to the Boardwalk. Four adults and 2 young children. On a corner we were stopped dead in our tracks as we witnessed a drive by shooting that took the life of an alleged 13 year old gang member.

 

[T4Tide]

Respectfully, most, if not all teenaged boys have raging hormones. How many are rapists?

Teen girls also have raging hormones. Somehow it is THEIR job to not inflame the desires of their male counterparts because, you know, boys will be boys.

Now we find out any female orifice, no matter the age, should be expected to find herself a victim of rape and murder because, gosh darn it, hormones?

" If those little girls on scooters hadn't inflamed my male lust for which I cannot POSSIBLY be held accountable for..."

What THE FARK?

Seriously?

Removing myself before I get a vacay.

I don't think Starry meant it like that?

 

[EllieBee]

The picture in question has disappeared. At least by my searches.

I have both saved in case we can discuss.

 

[blue22]

My impression of the teen suspect from his online stuff (not allowed to post links here at present) and from news reports is he's a little withdrawn, probably good at hiding emotions, has an extrovert Asian mum (I'm not sure if I can disclose the race here at this point) by all accounts... mum possibly not very good at being "sensitive" at spotting subtle clues of anything amiss with her child. Well I don't know them personally so that's all there is I think... Just my opinion of course. There is no way people usually would suspect such a person would commit such a heinous crime. So I don't think anyone really could have done a lot to prevent this. But you know the saying about how it's usually the "quiet" ones people must watch out for...


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That "saying" is a load of BS if you ask me. Introverts and quiet people are no more likely to do anything this horrific as the next guy.

 

[gitana1]

I don't think the perps participate in searches to 'throw people off their tracks'...I think they do it because they really enjoy it. In their minds, they are controlling the situation and know something everyone else doesn't know. They actually get off on that, IMO.

Im with Liadan. I think often they participate to track what's happening. Out of fear. Not all killers are the same and not all are the type who play cat and mouse with LE.

"Terrence Keller, a neighbor, described the teen as a good person: "I've known him a long time. He's a nice, well-spoken kid. It's very unfortunate to say the least."
Keller said he's known the teen since he moved into the arts complex about six years ago. He said he thought so highly of the teen that he once considered inviting him to his gym to work out.


A neighbor who asked not to be identified said that the teen never showed signs of being a sociopath, and was not involved with drugs or gangs that he knew of. “I actually saw him turn down alcohol,” the neighbor said. “He was a straight shooter.”
He said the teen has an adult brother and the most “amazing mother,” the “most welcoming person at the Tannery. If there was a social function, you’d go to her house for food. There was an abundance of love for him.”

The neighbor said that he had never seen the teen hanging out specifically with Maddy or other young children at the complex.
A woman who appeared to be the boy's mother screamed in hysterics as her son was taken away by police."
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Hearing that the mother was in hysterics and the father throwing up in the bushes----makes me think that they were totally shocked. Maybe they had no clue. Maybe this kid hid his dark side really really well?

I think it is possible that he was a really lonely kid who did not fit in with his peers. His goal in life was apparently to be a yoyo champion. I think he was probably a bit out of step , socially. Then he finally gets a young girl alone, in his home and he snaps?

I dont know. I don't think any of that explains or would trigger "snapping" and luring, raping and strangling a baby. There are plenty of lonely, awkward kids who would never do such a thing.

 

[HarvestMoon]

Except this was not the work of a homeless person. A "great guy" 15-year-old neighbor allegedly raped and killed her. Not a homeless person!

No, I never implied that it was. You may be taking my comment out of context.

 

[EllieBee]

I'm not convinced of that yet, to be honest. One article said "sources say" and that's it. Not LE or anything. I guess we'll see.

Fair enough. I guess I am just jaded and have seen so many "sources" prove to be spot-on. Same goes for rumors. Sadly.

 

[mrsobrien]

We used to go very regularly. Until 2 years ago when we were staying at a hotel on Ocean Ave. where we regularly stayed. We left the hotel on a warm summer evening to walk to the Boardwalk. Four adults and 2 young children. On a corner we were stopped dead in our tracks as we witnessed a drive by shooting that took the life of an alleged 13 year old gang member.

That is so sad, I spent my childhood summers there. It never seemed to recover from the earthquake.

 

[anansie]

That "saying" is a load of BS if you ask me. Introverts and quiet people are no more likely to do anything this horrific as the next guy.

In this case it applies. Of course not to every case. I am a parent to an introvert child myself.

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[katydid23]

Im with Liadan. I think often they participate to track what's happening. Out of fear. Not all killers are the same and not all are the type who play cat and mouse with LE.



I dont know. I don't think any of that explains or would trigger "snapping" and luring, raping and strangling a baby. There are plenty of lonely, awkward kids who would never do such a thing.

Agreed that there is more to the story. He absolutely had a dark side. He just seemed to hide it very well. JMO

 

[EllieBee]

I don't think Starry meant it like that?

Perhaps not, but after scrolling back, I see I am one of many who interpreted her post that way.

The "raging hormones" excuse is a real button pusher for me and I apologize.

 

[EllieBee]

No, I never implied that it was. You may be taking my comment out of context.

Perhaps I was. When you asked why don't they clean up the homeless population, I took that to mean you thought that would be the antidote to this type of heinous crime.

Then why is that call for homeless cleanup relevant to MM's death? Curious.

 

[blue22]

In this case it applies. Of course not to every case. I am a parent to an introvert child myself.

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How does it apply? If he is quiet, there is nothing to suggest he killed her because he is!

 

[anansie]

How does it apply? If he is quiet, there is nothing to suggest he killed her because he is!

He was quiet so never revealed much about his thoughts. If he did, people would have an inkling as to his possible nature, and would be more careful about leaving their kids with him. This is why I say it applies to this case.

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[blefuscu]

Just in response to the arrested teens mother's visceral reaction. I don't think we should consider the scream representative of outrage that her son was being arrested but more along the lines of grief, shock, horror that her son could have done such a thing.
It is a situation this teens mother never dreamed of having to placed in and if one of my children had done such a thing my heart would be breaking for Maddy's family. And I would be sickened, and traumatised by the act.

Totally agree. It's nearly 3am here and I'm lying awake thinking of Maddy and DeOrr and Lonzie. I totally get why his mom and dad would react in that way. It's a close community built on mutual interests and probably had been a lovely place to live. The "heroin highway" seems to be separate from the compound and has to do with the homeless shelter across the street if I remember earlier reports.

His mom and dad are probably astounded at this moment, not able to comprehend that their son has been arrested for this horrific crime. The mother is probably overcome with emotion. Imagine waking up one morning and everything is fine, life is happy and free. Then within hours a child is dead and your child, the child you brought into the world and loved, and nurtured and brought up in an artists commune is arrested for possibly the most heinous crimes imaginable. Your world is shattered. I've no doubt that this mother is devastated, not just for her son, and what he has possibly done and now faces, but also for the mother in the same complex who has lost her baby. I'm a mother and I just couldn't imagine how I would react.

I'm sure the parents are sat now, numb with shock, wondering where they went wrong, even if they didn't go wrong at all. Her reaction is one of grief, shock and horror at what has unfolded in front of her eyes.

I feel for both mothers in this. Maddy's mom has lost her daughter forever, and his mom has lost what she believed her son was.

 

[strawberry]

Totally agree. It's nearly 3am here and I'm lying awake thinking of Maddy and DeOrr and Lonzie. I totally get why his mom and dad would react in that way. It's a close community built on mutual interests and probably had been a lovely place to live. The "heroin highway" seems to be separate from the compound and has to do with the homeless shelter across the street if I remember earlier reports.

His mom and dad are probably astounded at this moment, not able to comprehend that their son has been arrested for this horrific crime. The mother is probably overcome with emotion. Imagine waking up one morning and everything is fine, life is happy and free. Then within hours a child is dead and your child, the child you brought into the world and loved, and nurtured and brought up in an artists commune is arrested for possibly the most heinous crimes imaginable. Your world is shattered. I've no doubt that this mother is devastated, not just for her son, and what he has possibly done and now faces, but also for the mother in the same complex who has lost her baby. I'm a mother and I just couldn't imagine how I would react.

I'm sure the parents are sat now, numb with shock, wondering where they went wrong, even if they didn't go wrong at all. Her reaction is one of grief, shock and horror at what has unfolded in front of her eyes.

I feel for both mothers in this. Maddy's mom has lost her daughter forever, and his mom has lost what she believed her son was.

I assumed it was a cry of anguish and disbelief, not outrage


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