Found Deceased CA - Madyson Middleton, 8, Santa Cruz, 26 July 2015 - #2 *Arrest*

[Minette]

My own thought about the 'Mad World' video on AJG's Instagram is that it was a half-arsed attempt at creating mitigating circumstances for his crimes, intended to create sympathy for himself. There is generally a public outpouring of sympathy over teen suicides, and I think after he was done with Mady he had an "oh, s***!" moment in which he realized that he had left a very broad trail and wanted to set the stage for some people to think, "Oh, this poor kid, he was thinking of killing himself, he would never have done this otherwise." Of course, this sets aside the fact that most people who are thinking of killing themselves don't kidnap, torture, rape and murder an 8-year old to see what the public reaction would be. That whole 'explanation' he put forth, if in fact he did, reeks of BS in my view. He was just casting around trying to excuse himself after the fact. And I don't think he was in angst over unrequited love, either--I think his ego was offended that the object of his affections didn't return them. And these yo-yo shows weren't necessarily some kind of nice, humanitarian thing he did for others, could just as well have been another form of ego gratification.

This wasn't some 'nice kid' driven to terrible acts by depression/despair, this was a bloodthirsty, cold-blooded killer in a fantasy-fulfillment frenzy brought on by opportunity. IMO, of course.

 

[GutInstinct]

As WS-loving peeps, we are always trying/searching to figure out why? I promise you, this document (link below) is one of the best I've found on the topic of 'who are these monsters and why?'. Scary stuff tho. I'd be interested in your feedback. Nite nite all. And group hug too! :loveyou:

http://www.friedgreentomatoes.org/articles/apd_sociopathy_psychopathy.php

Excerpt from doc: 'Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who represent the "monsters" in our society. They are unstoppable and untreatable predators whose violence is planned, purposeful and emotionless. The violence continues until it reaches a plateau at age 50 or so, then tapers off.

Their emotionlessness reflects a detached, fearless, and possibly dissociated state, revealing a lower autonomic nervous system and lack of anxiety.

It's difficult to say what motivates them - control and dominance possibly - since their life history will usually show no bonds with others nor much rhyme to their reason (other than the planning of violence).

They tend to operate with a grandiose demeanor, an attitude of entitlement, an insatiable appetite, and a tendency toward sadism.

Fearlessness is probably the prototypical (core) characteristic (the low-fear hypothesis).'

 

[human]

As WS-loving peeps, we are always trying/searching to figure out why? I promise you, this document (link below) is one of the best I've found on the topic of 'who are these monsters and why?'. Scary stuff tho. I'd be interested in your feedback. Nite nite all. And group hug too! :loveyou:

http://www.friedgreentomatoes.org/articles/apd_sociopathy_psychopathy.php

Excerpt from doc: 'Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who represent the "monsters" in our society. They are unstoppable and untreatable predators whose violence is planned, purposeful and emotionless. The violence continues until it reaches a plateau at age 50 or so, then tapers off.

Their emotionlessness reflects a detached, fearless, and possibly dissociated state, revealing a lower autonomic nervous system and lack of anxiety.

It's difficult to say what motivates them - control and dominance possibly - since their life history will usually show no bonds with others nor much rhyme to their reason (other than the planning of violence).

They tend to operate with a grandiose demeanor, an attitude of entitlement, an insatiable appetite, and a tendency toward sadism.

Fearlessness is probably the prototypical (core) characteristic (the low-fear hypothesis).'

How does this fit in?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127888976

 

[GutInstinct]

How does this fit in?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127888976

Good find, human! There is indeed science that believes 'their' brains are not wired correctly. My shrink tells me 'they' lack compassion, empathy, conscious, a moral compass, etc - as in a 100% lack of - and that no medication or therapy can teach someone how to have basic human emotion when it simply doesn't exist.

 

[human]

Good find, human! There is indeed science that believes 'their' brains are not wired correctly. My shrink tells me 'they' lack compassion, empathy, conscious, a moral compass, etc - as in a 100% lack of - and that no medication or therapy can teach someone how to have basic human emotion when it simply doesn't exist.

Except this scientist says his loving upbringing changed his fate

 

[katydid23]

Good find, human! There is indeed science that believes 'their' brains are not wired correctly. My shrink tells me 'they' lack compassion, empathy, conscious, a moral compass, etc - as in a 100% lack of - and that no medication or therapy can teach someone how to have basic human emotion when it simply doesn't exist.

I believe a lot of these monsters are created by their environments. But there are a small percentage that are just 'bad seeds'--imo.

 

[human]

I believe a lot of these monsters are created by their environments. But there are a small percentage that are just 'bad seeds'--imo.

I just cannot believe in the bad seed.

And I have never heard of a murderer who came from a loving home.

 

[GutInstinct]

Except this scientist says his loving upbringing changed his fate

Read your link again, and I dunno. Much of it is still a mystery. The link I provided focuses more on the behaviors of different types of sociopaths and their labels - it doesn't delve into the why. Thanks for engaging.:thinking:

 

[mrsobrien]

I believe a lot of these monsters are created by their environments. But there are a small percentage that are just 'bad seeds'--imo.

I believe in a psychological predisposition, with environmental contributions. A person born with the predisposition could go one way or the other depending on the "nurturing " aspect, imo.

Eta- not implying any wrongdoing on the part of Adrian's parents here.

 

[Mamamerced]

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I agree for the most part, but there are many killers/rapists who has a loving, nurturing home.

I agree mostly NURTURE. But Nature plays a factor, too.

By all appearances, AJG's mom is a lovely, caring mother. And she is his parent, and off-topic. I can't see where she did anything wrong.

I don't know if you are speaking to me or not, but I wasn't accusing AJG's mother. I was speaking in generalities regarding the very powerful influences the family and those individuals /groups orbiting around it have on the forming child.

 

[human]

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I don't know if you are speaking to me or not, but I wasn't accusing AJG's mother. I was speaking in generalities regarding the very powerful influences the family and those individuals /groups orbiting around it have on the forming child.

We better figure it out because this is not the world we need-- the rapes and killings

 

[Annie1004]

Good find, human! There is indeed science that believes 'their' brains are not wired correctly. My shrink tells me 'they' lack compassion, empathy, conscious, a moral compass, etc - as in a 100% lack of - and that no medication or therapy can teach someone how to have basic human emotion when it simply doesn't exist.

Totally agree with you. For instance, my brother has Asperger's that was not brought on by his childhood, which was the same as mine. There were three children who lived across the street from us growing up. Two were natural children and one was adopted at birth. The adopted son became a SO when he was in his early 20's. He was a very cruel little boy to both people and animals. The two natural children grew up to be quite successful and normal.

Nurture vs. nature was discussed ad nauseam when I was taking psychology ages ago. Lots of people have survived insurmountably dysfunctional childhoods and turned out fine, while others come from "perfect families" and turn out to be monsters.

What causes one person to be gay while another one is straight? How about mental illness running in families? Does a psychopath's brain look different than a normal brain? How about the survivors of concentration camps? Surely they didn't all turn out to be criminals.

There are so many facets to this behavior; that is why the nature vs. nurture debate has been going on for decades.

All IMHO and what I have observed during my lifetime.

Boils down to I just don't know.

 

[jjenny]

I just cannot believe in the bad seed.

And I have never heard of a murderer who came from a loving home.

I guess that depends on your definition of "loving." There are lots of killers that came out of what appears to be an average sort of family. For example, James Holmes's trial is in the penalty phase right now. He has mother, father, sister, that appear to be an average family and a reasonably normal childhood.

 

[Mamamerced]

Good find, human! There is indeed science that believes 'their' brains are not wired correctly. My shrink tells me 'they' lack compassion, empathy, conscious, a moral compass, etc - as in a 100% lack of - and that no medication or therapy can teach someone how to have basic human emotion when it simply doesn't exist.

I think those are characteristics (symtoms) of a mind that has been distorted rather than the causes, though.

 

[Frankie85]

Just finished reading both threads.

So heartbroken for this wee girl and her family.

 

[justwannahelp]

Did anyone see the instagram video if him and a girl- his age-with music playing? They may have been on a bike. They were on a dirt road I think. All happy and smiling. Maybe he really did go nuts over this girl and took his rage out an innocent girl that was an easy target? Just curious if y'all saw that video?

 

[justwannahelp]

I'm very much hoping the blunt force to the head knocked Madyson out before he raped her. I can't stand to think of her fear and pain. I can't stand to think of her mother and father having to sort through these charges. How does one do it? 😢😢😢. How can they go on? How can they ever take out the recycling again? I just can't fathom the overwhelming emotions they must be experiencing and will experience forever.

 

[1&2&3]

I have to put in my opinion that a child is born with the makings for the personality - Nature. It is then up to the village he is raised in - Nurture - as to how he will turn out.

 

[Kaliste]

Did anyone see the instagram video if him and a girl- his age-with music playing? They may have been on a bike. They were on a dirt road I think. All happy and smiling. Maybe he really did go nuts over this girl and took his rage out an innocent girl that was an easy target? Just curious if y'all saw that video?

I did see that video and think that girl must be feeling like she's living a nightmare right now.


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[human]

I guess that depends on your definition of "loving." There are lots of killers that came out of what appears to be an average sort of family. For example, James Holmes's trial is in the penalty phase right now. He has mother, father, sister, that appear to be an average family and a reasonably normal childhood.

He is mentally ill. That is different than killers like Bundy or Dahmer .