GUILTY CA - Madyson Middleton, 8, Santa Cruz, 26 July 2015 - #3 *Arrest*
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Could someone please quote the part about the dog. I don't remember reading it. I've reached my limit of articles and it's behind the pay wall for me. Thanks so much.
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ge...f-santa-cruz-was-asphyxiated-stabbed-to-death
There were some warning signs about Gonzalez' behavior, including the alleged abuse of his own dog about three years ago. Earlier this year, a parent at Santa Cruz High also told Gonzalez to stay away from her daughter after Gonzalez followed the girl and waited for her outside a private piano lesson.
Rosell said this week that he could not discuss an ongoing investigation into Gonzalez, whom police said also could be linked to a November shooting threat a Santa Cruz High School. Gonzalez was in ninth grade at the school.
"We're not at liberty to discuss the case. The details and facts are going to come out in court," Rosell said.
There were some warning signs about Gonzalez' behavior, including the alleged abuse of his own dog about three years ago. Earlier this year, a parent at Santa Cruz High also told Gonzalez to stay away from her daughter after Gonzalez followed the girl and waited for her outside a private piano lesson.
Rosell said this week that he could not discuss an ongoing investigation into Gonzalez, whom police said also could be linked to a November shooting threat a Santa Cruz High School. Gonzalez was in ninth grade at the school.
"We're not at liberty to discuss the case. The details and facts are going to come out in court," Rosell said.
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There were some warning signs about Gonzalez' behavior, including the alleged abuse of his own dog about three years ago. Earlier this year, a parent at Santa Cruz High also told Gonzalez to stay away from her daughter after Gonzalez followed the girl and waited for her outside a private piano lesson.
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Thanks for the quote. Somehow I missed that about the dog and following the girl. The dog incident should have gotten him into counseling, but it may not have prevented what he did to Maddy. Psychopaths often start out hurting animals, and counseling isn't really successful, from what I've read. JMO This keeps getting uglier.
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Abuse of his own dog? That's a massive warning sign. BUT I'm not going to convince myself this was a preventable murder, because after reading how the poor girl actually died that would just infuriate me.
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I think that with the dog AND the threat to the highschool- it's POSSIBLE it could have been prevented. But sadly, it usually takes rape or murder to get this type behind bars. If it's rape not followed by murder, they are set free at some point then go on to rape again and again then eventually murder after raping. It's so awful. When a rapist is set free then murders -- that's when i get So so so so furious. It's like, hello! When will learn to KEEP violent rapists behind bars!? Or neuter them? But this doesn't apply here--at least not that we know of.
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I absolutely agree with you.
If being abused in childhood was really the main trigger for someone to become abusive, violent or even resorting to murder/rape then we would see this happening countless times per year. It would be an epidemic. Over 6 million children suffer abuse every year. 6 Million! In just ten years time that is 60 million abused children. We have around 14K homicides per year in a country of 320 million.
I am not one to buy into what a criminal says who finds themselves in the criminal justice system. At sentencing the defendant even males and more often females tries to use the abuse excuse trying to lessen their punishment. Or they try to use the abuse excuse in the actual trial. I have seen case after case where a female was said to be abused in childhood and even by the person they murdered. It turned out to be a bald face lie just like Jodi Arias lied through her teeth. She was such a pathetic liar about being abused it came across as ridiculous. She had no clue what abuse is and that's why it came across as a totally lame. But oh yeah, if JA had to fill out a questionnaire or take a survey she would most certainly say she was an abused victim instead of the sociopath she is.
I don't trust anyone who I know has a vested interest to lie. Secondary gain as Prosecutor Juan Martinez called it in the Arias trial. And family members will also lie for the defendant if the defendant is facing LWOP or the death penalty. So I think the stats and research is greatly flawed and given by those who are truly victimizers but want to blame their evil deeds on someone else. Its rather nauseating actually since most of the ones who have truly been abused doesn't ever harm anyone much less become a sadist, pedophile, rapist or murderer.
And mental health professionals are always wanting to connect abuse to why someone becomes a horrible immoral and unlawful person. Its their job to think someone has to be broken even though the defendant may very well have lived a very pampered life instead. And the criminals certainly knows what the doctors want to hear. Lets blame it all on abuse. I have read articles in the past where sociopaths admitted they knew how to manipulate the therapists and tell them what they wanted to hear.
Rapists, pedophiles, and murderers come from all walks of life. Sure there will be some who were abused since they are a part of the overall population at large in our society. So that is just common sense that there will be a percentage of them in the criminal justice system. But no one will ever convince me it was because of abuse done by someone else in the past that made them go on to be a sickening heartless murderer of a totally different person. We have seen horrible murders committed by doctors, lawyers, rabbi, a NASA rocket scientist and everything in between. No profession or lifestyle during childhood is immune. We have become a society filled with excuses. The inmates/defendants would like everyone to believe it is never the fault of the perpetrator and someone else is always to blame.
I truly think a lot of todays murderers have full blown narcissistic traits. I think that is more prevalent nowadays and why conduct defiance disorders are on the rise. I also think society as a whole is breeding more sociopaths than ever before.
There have been many children who were/are homeless. Many, and the vast majority of them never harm a soul. Some have had to live out of a car yet still studied and went on to attend a prestigious college. Imo, it is really a slap in the face of all abuse survivors when abuse is used as the excuse why the defendant raped or murdered an innocent person. And many of these survivors have endured horrific acts for years on end yet become wonderful caring human beings, and great parents also.
I don't think abuse had anything to do with why he brutalized Maddy. I think he watchedand they will probably find it on his cell and computer. He wanted to act out the brutality he saw in the
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One of my WSer chat friends shared this case with me and I am reading and catching up :seeya:
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I maintain parents are the first line of defense. A parent who is involved in and monitoring their kid's activities and knows what's going on and stays engaged, is a parent who has an opportunity to see patterns and troubling behavioral signs.
There are parents who either don't know what to look for, don't care, or think their kid could never be a danger to themselves or others.
There are parents who either don't know what to look for, don't care, or think their kid could never be a danger to themselves or others.
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So now some more info, though limited is coming out about possible red flags with this perp.
The pet abuse thing is huge IMO. Wish there had been more info on what type of abuse is being alleged. Also disturbing is the following/stalking classmate to a private piano lesson.
Just a horrible horrible case.
At first I was withholding judgment and not jumping in on the he is a sociopath theorizing, and I still have not decided for sure that I think he is, but this new info would certainly suggest it is possible
The pet abuse thing is huge IMO. Wish there had been more info on what type of abuse is being alleged. Also disturbing is the following/stalking classmate to a private piano lesson.
Just a horrible horrible case.
At first I was withholding judgment and not jumping in on the he is a sociopath theorizing, and I still have not decided for sure that I think he is, but this new info would certainly suggest it is possible
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So she was still alive when he put her into the recycle bin;
"Sheriffs Lt. Kelly Kent said Madyson was not strangled, but died from positional asphyxiation because of the way her body was placed in the recycling bin near her home."
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ge...f-santa-cruz-was-asphyxiated-stabbed-to-death
What a beast this young man is.
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"Sheriffs Lt. Kelly Kent said Madyson was not strangled, but died from positional asphyxiation because of the way her body was placed in the recycling bin near her home."
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ge...f-santa-cruz-was-asphyxiated-stabbed-to-death
What a beast this young man is.
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thank you for posting that. i am crying. how sad for everyone involved.
i even prayed to God to have the grace her mother has if i ever face tradegy.
i even prayed to God to have the grace her mother has if i ever face tradegy.
So true! The best parents can have a troubled child who can't be helped for a number of reasons. It is not possible to prevent all tragedies like Maddy's. Parents and society can and should try, but sadly, they won't always be successful.
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i also want to add.... maybe he did not know that she was still alive? although conversely, maybe he did.
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Can anyone link the pet abuse and the piano lessons msm link please.. as i am catching up and missed msm article on that .
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ETA .. I see that it was posted when I was cross posting at the same time.
Very true. And on the flipside of that, there are parents who do and try everything and KNOW their child is a danger or potential one...and cannot stop their child from doing horrible things. I grew up in a household like that. There were no professionals that could stop her. It ruined my parent's lives, forever really. I don't think they will ever recover from my sister. I'm not sure a situation like hers is as common as the reverse.
We were born and raised in the US. I come from an immigrant heavy area. I will say that it can be almost impossible for people not born here and integrated into our health system, to really know what to do. And other countries and belief systems have a very different look at how to deal with troubling issues in children. It's JMO, but I have a feeling AJ's mom poured herself into him, but did not understand what was happening with him.
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The system in the U.S. doesn't make it easy on parents who have identified issues with their child and are trying to get help. A kid can't be arrested when they haven't broken the law. And I know it can be extremely difficult to get a loved one into an appropriate facility and to keep them there for what might be longer-term treatment, perhaps even more so if that child is over the age of 18. What's the answer?
Still, with those hurdles, at least a parent who is aware is a parent who can try to get help. All one can do is try their best. Better than a parent who never knows what their kid is up to.
Still, with those hurdles, at least a parent who is aware is a parent who can try to get help. All one can do is try their best. Better than a parent who never knows what their kid is up to.
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