CA CA - Maya Millete, 39, missed daughter's birthday, Chula Vista, 7 Jan 2021 #2

[swedeheart]

Just before LM starts naming off (very concisely) Maya's alleged bucket list (Devil's Peak, Potato Chip Rock, etc.) he says something about them having hiked the Grand Canyon/Colorado River area 10 years ago.

When asked by the reporter if Maya was an experienced hiker, LM replies, "The hike that we, me and her, tried like 10 years ago, before we had kids, down the Colorado River and the Grand Canyon. Anyway, it takes about a day to get there. So she's been hiking and hiking. It's kind of our stress release. And she wanted to do this."

I was hoping they would explain:

1. Why did Larry feel the need to clarify that "we" meant he and Maya? (Especially since he repeatedly uses the word "we" throughout his statement, when not referring to he and Maya.)

2. Why did Larry throw in the information about how long it takes to get to the Grand Canyon/Colorado River? Makes me wonder if it's possible she is there, and he is trying to convince us that he didn't have the time to take her there. ("Look over here, not over there.") The panel implied again in this episode that they believe Larry had help. Could he have passed her off to someone on his Solano Beach drive that day? That way, if she was found near the Grand Canyon, Larry could say "oh, see. she must have fallen while hiking, after she abandoned our family."


It's probably nothing, just more LM deflection. I wrote a comment to Chris and asked if it meant anything, so maybe we will see later if it has any meaning. No idea if he reads the comments.

 

[swedeheart]

I didn't catch the part where it was stated as moving items out of the house. Oh, Chris has photographs, and he stuck his neck out saying that on the air. I felt there was some reaching out to anyone else that could be involved to save themselves by calling LE. This is very interesting. What do you think these items could be? Something with blood or evidence on them? A freezer? Really, what could they possibly want to move out of the house and keep out of the investigation if LM their relative is not involved in Maya's disappearance? JMO, it's "chilling" to me.

No idea, Curious. He said he would not say any more than that about it, to preserve the integrity of the investigation. Ya know how Chris can sometimes let info slip out? Lol. But he shut it down as soon as he said it. It was in the first few minutes of the episode.

 

[Bogyo13]

I listened while attempting to make pizza dough from scratch, so my
notes are somewhat scattered and roughly in my own words.
However, I did play back some of it to fill in my notes.
This is going to be a long post. (Yes, the pizza came delicious )

First off, Chris McDonough says Maya may have had an appt. with an attorney to start legal separation proceedings. (15:15) Chris has talked to some people close to the pulse on this. Also. although LE collected some things from the house search, he says (16:22) there are other missing items from the house that may be in the possession of the husband's family. Chris doesn't want to get into it with CVPD, or compromise the investigation. He'll leave it alone for now, Chris said he has photographs of it, or the items. He says it's verifiable and real.

Chris says Dean pointed out LM talks for ten minutes about his missing wife and not one time does he say her name. LM never says her name!

Steve Johnson, Forensic Linguist Analyst, said Larry was the one who "stepped up his game" with a huge amount of victim blaming, just a lot of denigration going on at this time, and he's gotten blatant about it. LM is deceptive about what happened, they're not saying he did it, but they're catching deception in his statements. One is about if Maya got hurt hiking on a trail, and LM insists she could use her phone, and how she wears those Fabletics (pants with side pocket), and she could make a call cause her phone would be next to her even if she fell. LM tries to stick to the story that Maya took off and she could call home. Tries to act worried for a minute, he says, "Something's keeping her from contacting us." Then, back to blaming when he implies that "this pressure is enough now where she could contact us and say "Hey, I'm okay. (I take this to suggest that he wants us to believe she's still alive and he's poor, helpless him, and she's not calling home. Yes, that's victim blaming.)

LM describes the last interaction with his wife as them having "kind of an argument". What's that look like, Larry? Describe it. LM uses the word physically twice, then catches himself and says visually. It's significant to Steve Johnson. It's also a red flag for Chris that LM tries to minimize the argument.

Steve Johnson says LE doesn't want to hear LM persuade us of anything, he says we want to hear the experiential language, as in tangible about the experience we actually experience. Deceptive language takes a lot of effort and brain power, and people will try to persuade, justify, describe, or explain things we never even asked them for. Deception causes stress. You can here deception in a voice. Also, there should be no victim blaming or any denigration. Steve Johnson says Larry is denigrating Maya so much that it's LM who stepped up his game.

Dean Jackson questions what LM thinks is the worst case scenario, but then he doesn't bring up the worse, he goes into the pressure on Maya that she should call home. LM mentions objects-- workout pants, her phone. LM trying to stay positive, but this whole situation is embarrassing.

Kind of argument that got into that was probably physical, she could call home, but worst case scenario is something terrible. Extremely significant and the 48-72 hrs. but LM wanted to wait, to report her missing. Why would LM be talking about the first 48-72 hrs. -- that's a homicide show he watched, and usually the hrs. pertain to a homicide case? (This was suppose to be missing person, maybe a wine tasting case.)

The 2:30 & 3:30 time LM mentions several times. In-laws can see it if when she left the house. The panel feels they could probably figure out the timeline. The "we" heard her Friday night. Trying to convince is deceptive, and the we is significant. Who else is there, and is there someone else involved? Alarming to Steve.

The first 48-72 hrs. and the worst case scenario is something terrible. The panel says it sounds like LM tried to stall Maya's family from reporting her missing... could it be he was buying time for someone to dispose of a body and get back before she was reported missing. Panel would be looking into additional family members (of LM) to see if they might have been the "we". Code 187 and helping after the crime, if you are part of the "we" if you exist, call the CVPD. Turn in your ticket now or it's going to get bad for you. It doesn't have to be. Make a call. The Panel says if LM was trying to stall, goes towards planning, premeditation, maybe he's done his homework, knows about ring doorbells.

His daughter, I think the b-day girl breaks down a little bit? LM says she's like me, and "keep keep stuff, close to chest". He's just trying to keep things normal with the kids, not for the kids...subtle but significant. (think about it)

LM asks, "Why do you have to do this whole thing?" He's recalling something that was said. He's recalling something in (the kind of) argument. Probably her going to the divorce attorney. LM can't explain and must minimize his worry and being shaken, he wants us to gloss over it by saying it's "mind numbing" which is a way to say he doesn't want to discuss it anymore. During questions, the panel said LM is not probably a psychopath because there's too much leakage. (Very few people including some psychopaths can actually lie and pass a polygraph, or lie without body tells.)


When talking about Maya's working out towards a hiking goal, LM slips and says, "She wanted to..." in the past tense towards the end of the interview.

Maya's sister and family show what loved ones go through when someone is missing. They don't notice themselves, if they ate, etc., They don't talk about themselves. LM says a lot about himself. - embarrassing - not sleeping - not eating - his FACE has aged - he can't think straight.

I can't think straight now either. Tired. This is my take on what I gathered and some of MOO. They do jump around a lot. I hope this does justice to capturing the Part 2 show. Please listen for yourself. It's fascinating and quite telling.

For your convenience you can listen to LM her:
Phone call with husband of missing Chula Vista mom, Maya Millete - ABC 10NEWS San Diego - Omny.fm

Underlined and Bolded By Me, some of my own wording and MOO

Thanks, I haven't had the chance to listen yet.

Very interesting about the things removed!

Did the fridge comment come back?

 

[Curious Me]

No idea, Curious. He said he would not say any more than that about it, to preserve the integrity of the investigation. Ya know how Chris can sometimes let info slip out? Lol. But he shut it down as soon as he said it. It was in the first few minutes of the episode.

Oh, I caught most of it, as you can see from my notes below. It was at the 16:22 mark.

Chris has talked to some people close to the pulse on this. Also. although LE collected some things from the house search, he says (16:22) there are other missing items from the house that may be in the possession of the husband's family. Chris doesn't want to get into it with CVPD, or compromise the investigation. He'll leave it alone for now, Chris said he has photographs of it, or the items. He says it's verifiable and real.

This is all MOO, dear @swedeheart. I don't know Chris well, you turned me on to him, and thank you. Anyways, I think he slipped out with that info on purpose, but JMO. The Panel had a message to convey in this Part 2. They sent a clear message to anyone that might know something or have helped, and I believe it also connects to the missing items as to who the message was for. Gee, they even stated something about Code 187. There were about 750 people logged into listening to Part 2. I'm thinking word will get out to CVPD. Plus LM might have been listening. I see it as a slip to push this investigation forward.

 

[Curious Me]

Thanks, I haven't had the chance to listen yet.
Very interesting about the things removed!
Did the fridge comment come back?

Oh, I forgot about that! No, not that I heard.

 

[swedeheart]

An excellent link Chris shared about the 8 stages of progression to intimate partner homicide.

The 8 Stage Progression to Intimate Partner Homicide

 

[swedeheart]

Oh, I forgot about that! No, not that I heard.

Maybe that's what was moved out?

Jmo.

 

[Lusitana]

This is "embarrassing". That's the word he chose. She's missing and it's embarrassing. Huh. Interesting.

All MOO

His behavior is absolutely embarrassing.

 

[Bogyo13]

Just relistened to a bit in the first Interview room analysis and check out the bit at 2:21. It is discussed that he was seen pulling lexus into garage at 4:30 until 6:30. @Curious Me here's the answer to the car issue. Thought I only read it on FB.

 

[PsychSnack]

Was it me bringing up Elizabeth Sullivan kept in a freezer for 2 yrs. before husband disposed of her in the bay? I'm sorry if I've mentioned this gruesome case too often here, but a freezer has kept coming to mind in this case. Not saying LM did it or that he's a suspect, but the couple did have an argument right before Maya disappeared. She was going to see a divorce attorney, not take off. Where is she?

AFAIK, cadaver dogs were used when the search warrant was finally served on the house and the Lexus was impounded January 23-24, but I don't know if the dogs hit on anything. If LM followed crime shows, he'd know to not leave her body in the house, for long if at all. He, or a helper maybe even at another house, may have thought of a freezer to stall the decomposition process. (Just speculation-- Wonder if that's what is missing and in the possession of the husband's family?) They used luminol also in the house search, but if there was no blood then I had hoped cadaver dogs would hit on something.

Sometimes they're amazing, but not in all conditions.
Cadaver Dogs - Can Dogs Smell Death? — Murder Science

I’m not sure, I don’t know if I read your comment before or after I had that vision pop in my mind Tbh. Sometimes that happens...maybe it’s my anxiety and picturing the worst. Anyway, after looking at the weather report that day...maybe her being cold outside in a snowy/icy storm isn’t that far off. Keeping the weather in mind, him traveling to a beach on an exceptionally cold day is very odd.
I agree with you that no blood would be in the house or car, he would know better. MoO

 

[rosesfromangels]

I’m not sure, I don’t know if I read your comment before or after I had that vision pop in my mind Tbh. Sometimes that happens...maybe it’s my anxiety and picturing the worst. Anyway, after looking at the weather report that day...maybe her being cold outside in a snowy/icy storm isn’t that far off. Keeping the weather in mind, him traveling to a beach on an exceptionally cold day is very odd.
I agree with you that no blood would be in the house or car, he would know better. MoO

The beach trip is odd...to say the least. Unless, of course, there were exceptional waves for surfing, or some seasonal rarity to be observed. I think we are all having a very hard time believing the husband, although I really want to.

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[love_and_protect]

Just relistened to a bit in the first Interview room analysis and check out the bit at 2:21. It is discussed that he was seen pulling lexus into garage at 4:30 until 6:30. @Curious Me here's the answer to the car issue. Thought I only read it on FB.

WHOA. How are all these dots not being connected be LE?! I mean, I'm sure they are and they just need evidence but man, this is frustrating. I live in San Diego and the Grand Canyon is about an 8 hour drive. Definitely not a whole day, but what he mentions about it is intriguing... I wish they would just nail someone already and bring her home. This case is breaking my heart.

 

[MrsWatson]

As far as moving items out of the house by LM's family: Do they have any valuable art or jewelry, something that could generate cash, if needed for say, attorney fees?

Speculation

 

[ElizaKate]

Just relistened to a bit in the first Interview room analysis and check out the bit at 2:21. It is discussed that he was seen pulling lexus into garage at 4:30 until 6:30. @Curious Me here's the answer to the car issue. Thought I only read it on FB.

He backed up a car into the garage at 4:30 AM?! And left 2 hours later... That is damning. Any benefit of the doubt I was giving him has well and truly gone.. MOO

 

[LindsayXO]

As far as moving items out of the house by LM's family: Do they have any valuable art or jewelry, something that could generate cash, if needed for say, attorney fees?

Speculation

Honestly, your guess is as good as mine. My mind just seems to go blank when I think about it. I'm interested to see what everyone else thinks but I feel wary even speculating about it because I have almost zero information on the subject. But what I will say is that the way Chris mentioned it makes me feel like it's big enough to blow the doors off of this case. Something of monetary value just doesn't seem big enough to do that in my opinion unless there's a monetary reason as to why she went missing. But again, you could very well be right. I'm not trying to disagree with you because I know nothing. I'm basically just thinking out loud at this point. MOO

Edit: The fact that Chris even mentioned it makes me feel like this is a massive bombshell. I honestly don't know what to think.

 

[LindsayXO]

He backed up a car into the garage at 4:30 AM?! And left 2 hours later... That is damning. Any benefit of the doubt I was giving him has well and truly gone.. MOO

I also thought I read about this on Facebook so I put it at the back of my mind until now. My only thought is that maybe he was packing up stuff for the beach. Not sure what you'd bring with you to the beach in January but it's a possibility I guess. And, unless he's an extreme morning person, the timing is just weird to me, especially with a 4 year old. Were the children awake when he left? Did the girls wake up in an empty house with no way to contact anyone for 11 hours? It sure seems like it! And even if his story is true, it's still incredibly neglectful to just leave without checking to see if they're going to be taken care of. I'm not a parent but it just feels wrong to me. I have so many questions but no answers. Will we even get answers for many of our questions in the end? I don't know anymore... MOO

 

[SandyQLS]

... RSBM ... ... Also. although LE collected some things from the house search, he says (16:22) there are other missing items from the house that may be in the possession of the husband's family. Chris doesn't want to get into it with CVPD, or compromise the investigation. He'll leave it alone for now, Chris said he has photographs of it, or the items. He says it's verifiable and real. ... ...

My first thought on hearing "missing item(s)" was bath mat, carpet, area rug carpet, master bedroom bedspread, large suitcase - something a body could be wrapped in, or any other items broken or bloodied in a fight. But then Chris said the items may be in the possession of LM's family, and I am stymied. Who is reporting some item(s) missing other than MM's family, and why would they believe LM's family would have the items?

 

[LindsayXO]

My first thought on hearing "missing item(s)" was bath mat, carpet, area rug carpet, master bedroom bedspread, large suitcase - something a body could be wrapped in, or any other items broken or bloodied in a fight. But then Chris said the items may be in the possession of LM's family, and I am stymied. Who is reporting some item(s) missing other than MM's family, and why would they believe LM's family would have the items?

That's kinda what I was thinking too and probably why my mind feels so blank. If it was something like you mentioned, it would be weird to keep it and pass it along. My thoughts are that it's maybe some of the missing items that have been mentioned from the beginning like her phone or credit card. But again, that wouldn't make sense because if LE had a hunch that they were in possession of these items, I doubt they'd just let them hang onto them while they investigated elsewhere. My mind is just one big question mark. MOO

 

[PsychSnack]

Just relistened to a bit in the first Interview room analysis and check out the bit at 2:21. It is discussed that he was seen pulling lexus into garage at 4:30 until 6:30. @Curious Me here's the answer to the car issue. Thought I only read it on FB.

can you link it? I cant find that part

 

[PsychSnack]

LM mentions in the video that MM had been coming home late at night frequently for the last few months. I wonder if neighborhood video can be reviewed to corroborate or disprove that narrative?