CA CA - Montrose, Fem Skeletal 581UFCA, 15-25, off Angeles Crest Hwy, Jul'71

[Beccalicious]

Bumping

 

[Caring1]

Ann Bernice Duncan checks a few boxes that are noted for this JD. However, the difference in height approximation may rule her out. Her reported height estimate was 5’2”. JD height estimated at 5’3”-5’8” on The Doe Network.

She colored her hair often between dark, blonde and also a reddish color. Her hair is fine and in a couple of her pictures it appears to have a kinky texture.

Ann was also double jointed which could account for the long fingers and feet.

She was 31 at the time of her reported missing date. She had missed an appointment on 10/3/69 in San Francisco, CA. Her children were in foster care and she would call them occasionally.

Dental charting and DNA are available for Ann.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

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[youngsleuth95]

Well, writing a year later... In my opinion, her murder was committed by a close person/people (parents or boyfriend). If she was on the younger side of the age range (15-16, maybe even younger based on the development of her third molar in my humble opinion), then I think she was getting ready for school or a part-time job (judging by her outfit, which is pretty neat and stylish), they had an argument, she didn't listen to them, and they killed her. Or if she was around 20-25, then she could have been killed by a boyfriend, she could have not listened to her, and as a result, the psycho killed her and dumped her in a random place. I can't figure out where she was found. Judging by her watch, from 1957, I think we can expand the time of death range. I think her outfit would be appropriate for a job or college/school, I think her shoes were tennis shoes or ballet flats. And a cardigan or blazer on top. It's so sad that she was probably cremated and the DNA is unavailable, so matches will have to be checked manually. But I'll try to find some matches.
How about the following suggestions?
2880DFCA - Linn Bernadette Luray
4627DFCA - Wanda Gail Lou
1734DFCA - Dixie Lee Arensen

 

[youngsleuth95]

Her hair is described as being very unusual, "colored and curly." I think it's probably dye.
I wonder if that's what her hair looked like?

 

[FlyOfDragons]

this seems to be the ravine Jane Doe was found on. i went further in-depth in my explanation of why this seems to be the likely location here, but in essence her remains being found down an embankment on the north side of the Angeles Crest Highway doesn't really make sense when you actually look at it. instead she was more likely found on the north side of the Gabrieleno Trail, just south of the highway

 

[youngsleuth95]

this seems to be the ravine Jane Doe was found on. i went further in-depth in my explanation of why this seems to be the likely location here, but in essence her remains being found down an embankment on the north side of the Angeles Crest Highway doesn't really make sense when you actually look at it. instead she was more likely found on the north side of the Gabrieleno Trail, just south of the highway

You rock!!! I was also looking for the place where she was found, but I couldn't find anything. Seriously, I'm so glad now that someone remembered her case. I think you found a very likely place of her burial!!

 

[youngsleuth95]

54 years ago...

 

[snooptroop88]

Angeles National Forest is "right there" in terms of Montrose, and Angeles Forest is a location used by multiple SKs, including Alcala and Terry Rasmussen, and Mack Ray Edwards-- among others, so I'm wondering if this is an SK. I can't tell if this is just near Angeles or actually in it, but it's close enough where this is something to consider. And the outfit and age range are really, really channeling Bundy, too, who said he had a California victim (so I'd assume at least one) Am wondering on this woman:

Cindy Lee Mellin

Her hair looks like it has various shades running through. It looks like it might be on the slightly kinky side perhaps. I can't definitely tell from the images, but it looks like there may be a slight gap between her teeth. 19yo missing from Ventura CA, January 20, 1970. She was working at a department store (think located in a mall), and employees couldn't bring purses in if they worked there, so employee personal items had to be in a separate I think see-through bag. On her way home, she evidently had car trouble, and someone passed her on a roadway and saw a man helping her change her tire, and she has never been seen since, and her father found the car still with the jack left there. Her clothes do not match, but-- she worked at a department store. People who work at department stores often get discounts, so a woman this age may buy clothes at that store somewhat often if she works there. And she sees all the new outfits coming in, too. And if she's in a mall, she also has time to check out other stores. So her father says she'd never go with anyone willingly she didn't know, But this person was already helping her with the vehicle, whoever he was. What if at some point he said he wanted to take a break and he'd take her for a bite to eat, and she feels like she kind of has to say yes under these circumstances. Perhaps her clothing has become dirty with the tire and such, and maybe his as well. Maybe they stop somewhere so they can change clothing because she would have the extra clothing, by chance. And then, he at some point in the evening murders her. Alternatively, these other clothing items she had may still have been in the separate bag and he just threw them out at the site where the remains were located. There are surely a lot of "ifs" involved here, but the one thing that makes me include this listing is oddly the department store aspect. This victim was someone who was able to get some very nice clothes, and it's an hour or so from Ventura to Montrose CA.

But am largely agreeing with posters on here that this might be a runaway situation, or someone forced into circumstances through threats of force by someone she knew.

Joan Mary Bieter? St. Paul MN, had fight with father & told brother she would not return home. July 1968, I see in this image possibly "black" and "auburn" hair, maybe brown as well, but not kinky. If she started hitchhiking and had a poor diet for some time, her hair may have become tacky and/or frizzy. I'm guessing she took clothing with her from home.

Don't know on the gap with teeth, cannot locate images showing her teeth. She's wearing a watch in this image, but so are millions of other people across the US at this time, so that's not much help.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Alice Marie Reeves, possibly? Gap in teeth, hair that is black, looks a like it may be a little on kinky side:

Missing since end of May 1967 Mamou Louisiana. 19yo 5'7" 140lbs. She brought daughter to a babysitter and never returned.,
Previously in sex work but trying to get out of it to become hairdresser. Very uncharacteristic of her to leave in these circumstances. Live-in boyfriend, Joffrey Bertrand, was pimp with a criminal record and a history of of domestic violence. He's now deceased, he is suspected of killing her.

Alice Marie Reeves – The Charley Project

 

[Susikatze]

581UFCA


Unidentified Female

• The victim was discovered on July 11, 1971 in Montrose, Los Angeles County, California
• Estimated Date of Death: approximately seven months
• State of Remains: Skeletal

Vital Statistics

• Estimated age: 15 - 25 years old
• Approximate Height and Weight: 5' 8"; 130 lbs.
• Distinguishing Characteristics: Race undetermined. Kinky black/brown/reddish hair. Long tapered fingers; long feet; manicured fingernails.
• Clothing: Orange/yellow skirt, 27" at waist, 34" at hip, 22" in length; full 34" white slip, lace trim; white turtle neck knit sweater, 14 1/2" shoulder to shoulder; white 34 A bra, Loveable brand; white socks, possible thermal or athletic.
• Jewelry: 1957 Bulova ladies watch. Yellow metal case with yellow metal expansion band with broken link. Serial number T 556641.
• Fingerprints: Not Available
• Dentals: Available. Full set of teeth; slight gap in top front teeth. She had Torus palatinus that is a bony growth on the palate

Case History
The Victim was located approximately fifty feet down an embankment from the north side Angeles Crest Highway 1/4 mile West of Red Box Canyon Ranger Station, in Montrose, California on July 11, 1971.

I have a feeling she was African American or biracial. Hair described as kinky, black brown and reddish. Also the diastema dental gap is more common in AA.

 

[youngsleuth95]

Here is my informational poster for this case.

 

[Caring1]

Here is my informational poster for this case.

Your poster looks real good, nice job.

 

[youngsleuth95]

Your poster looks real good, nice job.

Thank you so much!

 

[youngsleuth95]

Your poster looks real good, nice job.

But the person who found her body actually responded to my poster, saying the photo of the likely location was incorrect. He said he found her in a ravine in the desert, next to "stone spaceships," that her face had been chewed off by an animal, that her body was dirty, and that, according to him, her parents told him the police thought she was a prostitute.