CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025

[Seattle1]

12/17/25

Nick Reiner's Defense - Could He Try BLAMING His Dad Rob? With Arthur Aidala and Matt Murphy​

 

[libraryg]

Slayer laws prevent murderers from benefiting from the estates of their victims. no matter what the will says. So he has zero access to his parents money or assets and if found guilty of their murders he never will.

Do Slayer laws apply to those accused as well as convicted?

 

[Seattle1]

12/18/25

Where the Reiners' bodies were found and how long they were dead - latest on Nick Reiner case​

 

[Lusitana]

It does never work, because the addict remains addicted. Alcohol is a hell of a drug, actually, killing people and destroying lives as much as heroin or cocaine. Weed might be less horrible in this aspect than booze, but overuse of it did not help anyone keep their life on track.

My opinion is that California Sober is NOT sober at all, but it "works" for people in the sense that in some cases they are able to not go back to let's say, heroin or meth. Lots of people who try this approach do go back to the heavy stuff and do OD, but that's another debate. I was just saying that I wasn't really surprised to see that he admitted to not being sober, it seems that it was never an option for him personally.

 

[Seattle1]

Slayer laws prevent murderers from benefiting from the estates of their victims. no matter what the will says. So he has zero access to his parents money or assets and if found guilty of their murders he never will.

The slayer rule typically applies when there has been an “unlawful and intentional” killing, so there are exceptions. The intent to kill is a crucial element, distinguishing these cases from accidental deaths or killings in self-defense.

Exceptions to the Slayer Rule​

The slayer rule may not apply in certain scenarios, even if a death occurred. Killings determined to be accidental, unintentional, or negligent, lacking the requisite intent, generally fall outside the rule’s scope. For instance, negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter typically do not trigger the rule because the necessary intent is absent. Killings committed in self-defense or defense of others are also recognized exceptions, as these actions are legally justified. Furthermore, if the killer was legally insane at the time of the act, the rule may not apply, as the element of criminal responsibility or intent may be absent. These exceptions are often explicitly defined within state slayer statutes or established through case law.

What Is the Slayer Rule and How Does It Affect Inheritance?

Explore the Slayer Rule, a vital legal principle preventing individuals from inheriting from those they unlawfully killed, ensuring equitable estate distribution.

legalclarity.org

 

[wendybtn]

SBMFF

I wonder why she didn't see her mom? The reason I'm wondering is because it sounds like they might have been in bed when attacked and perhaps Michele wasn't visible at a glance as she was under the covers. That's pretty chicken if so. Although Rob might have been on the floor between the bed and the door. Otherwise, he's not exactly a small guy so perhaps that's why he was visible at a glance if he was in bed.

Can you imagine what that room looked like? Two people with their throats slit and other stab wounds? Blood was likely from ceiling to floor. And seeing your dad deceased? I can easily see why she might not have noticed mom in her shock, panic, and fright.

 

[ttjo]

12/15/25

(Appearing on a podcast a few weeks later, Nick would be more candid about his ambivalence toward the movie and the promotional efforts around it. Sobriety, he said, was a relative term. While he’d managed to get off meth and heroin, he was still drinking and smoking pot. “I said to [the film’s publicists], ‘Listen, I’m not in a position to do this. I’m not a quote unquote sober guy.’ I’m going to have to go on these talk shows. They said you have to do this. They want the whole father-son angle. It just goes to show you how disgusting it is.” But he finally relented. “It was uncomfortable, but I felt like it was part of the job.”)

THR-'Being Charlie:' TIFF Review
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ETA:
wanted to remind readers about the truth of NR's sobriety during the time of these interviews!

IMO, during these joint appearances, we are witnessing NR being afraid and/or uncomfortable of being outed at any moment-- as a complete fraud! And not a fraud in comparison to his talented father in the film industry, but as a recovering addict!

Please take note that during solo appearances--such as a podcast only a few weeks after appearing in Toronto with his family, NR was more candid about his ambivalence toward the movie and the promotional efforts. Alone, he would confide: Sobriety, is a relative term. While he’d managed to get off meth and heroin, he was still drinking and smoking pot.

Make no mistake, 18+ failed attempts at rehab is what you get when the addict has an alternate definition of 'a sober person' (i.e., the science of sobriety).

I've opined before that recovery has never been NR's goal,

He said he wanted to go back to smoking pot “sort of using pills and doing whatever he wanted “ maybe Nick wanted to go back to where his addiction was a little more in control, a harm reduction approach. Many believe recovery is all or nothing, complete abstinence, and wouldnt go for a harm reduction approach, this could have caused conflict.
* reading now, I think this may be what @Lusitana was saying.

and I'm shattered for these parents who were so obviously "All-In" to save their son.

Perhaps the professionals with degrees on their walls--telling Rob & Michele Reiner that NR was a liar, who was also manipulating them, were right all along.... MOO

 

[Seattle1]

12/18/25

With Nick Reiner's case guaranteed to take at least three months, even if he enters a plea of insanity, Jackson is in line for a significant pay day. But, asked how he came to represent Nick, and who would pay his fees, the loquacious Jackson went quiet.

'I can't comment,' he said.

Now a Reiner family insider has told the Daily Mail that the cash is indeed coming from Rob and Michele's estate. The source, a lifelong family friend, who was close to Rob's celebrated Hollywood actor, director, screenwriter father Carl, said that grieving relatives have hired Jackson and some of the Reiners' estimated $200 million fortune is being used to save Nick from prison.

They would rather Nick get locked up for life in a mental institution than be incarcerated, the source said.

Reiner family bombshell as insiders reveal who will inherit $200m

With Nick Reiner's case guaranteed to take at least three months, even if he enters a plea of insanity, his attorney Alan Jackson is in line for a significant pay day.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[ttjo]

12/18/25

With Nick Reiner's case guaranteed to take at least three months, even if he enters a plea of insanity, Jackson is in line for a significant pay day. But, asked how he came to represent Nick, and who would pay his fees, the loquacious Jackson went quiet.

'I can't comment,' he said.

Now a Reiner family insider has told the Daily Mail that the cash is indeed coming from Rob and Michele's estate. The source, a lifelong family friend, who was close to Rob's celebrated Hollywood actor, director, screenwriter father Carl, said that grieving relatives have hired Jackson and some of the Reiners' estimated $200 million fortune is being used to save Nick from prison.

They would rather Nick get locked up for life in a mental institution than be incarcerated, the source said.

Reiner family bombshell as insiders reveal who will inherit $200m

With Nick Reiner's case guaranteed to take at least three months, even if he enters a plea of insanity, his attorney Alan Jackson is in line for a significant pay day.

www.dailymail.co.uk

That may be where “ the system failed him” approach that Phillip Dubé talked about on STS will come in as a mitigating factor. Not getting him off but maybe a plea deal?

 

[detective.moon]

grieving relatives have hired Jackson and some of the Reiners' estimated $200 million fortune is being used to save Nick from prison.

They would rather Nick get locked up for life in a mental institution than be incarcerated, the source said.

rsbm

jmo, i think this is very understandable for the family to want, and it seems in line with what rob and michele would have wanted and honouring how they lived their lives, from what i know about them.

(though not wanting to help him in any way would have been understandable too!)

 

[tlcya]

jmo, i think this is very understandable for the family to want, and it seems in line with what rob and michele would have wanted and honouring how they lived their lives, from what i know about them.

(though not wanting to help him in any way would have been understandable too!)

My thoughts as well.

 

[BUF]

12/18/25

With Nick Reiner's case guaranteed to take at least three months, even if he enters a plea of insanity, Jackson is in line for a significant pay day. But, asked how he came to represent Nick, and who would pay his fees, the loquacious Jackson went quiet.

'I can't comment,' he said.

Now a Reiner family insider has told the Daily Mail that the cash is indeed coming from Rob and Michele's estate. The source, a lifelong family friend, who was close to Rob's celebrated Hollywood actor, director, screenwriter father Carl, said that grieving relatives have hired Jackson and some of the Reiners' estimated $200 million fortune is being used to save Nick from prison.

They would rather Nick get locked up for life in a mental institution than be incarcerated, the source said.

Reiner family bombshell as insiders reveal who will inherit $200m

With Nick Reiner's case guaranteed to take at least three months, even if he enters a plea of insanity, his attorney Alan Jackson is in line for a significant pay day.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Given what has been reported how his parents always tried to help him and their love of their children, this doesn’t surprise me if true.

 

[SMK777]

The hotel room Nick Reiner left 'covered in blood'

Rob Reiner's son checked into room 207 at The Pierside Santa Monica around 4am on Sunday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[no nonsense]

12/18/25

With Nick Reiner's case guaranteed to take at least three months, even if he enters a plea of insanity, Jackson is in line for a significant pay day. But, asked how he came to represent Nick, and who would pay his fees, the loquacious Jackson went quiet.

'I can't comment,' he said.

Now a Reiner family insider has told the Daily Mail that the cash is indeed coming from Rob and Michele's estate. The source, a lifelong family friend, who was close to Rob's celebrated Hollywood actor, director, screenwriter father Carl, said that grieving relatives have hired Jackson and some of the Reiners' estimated $200 million fortune is being used to save Nick from prison.

They would rather Nick get locked up for life in a mental institution than be incarcerated, the source said.

Reiner family bombshell as insiders reveal who will inherit $200m

With Nick Reiner's case guaranteed to take at least three months, even if he enters a plea of insanity, his attorney Alan Jackson is in line for a significant pay day.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Is there a way to read that? It’s paywalled

 

[Gemmie]

Here is a map of the Reiner's house, to the Pierside, and on to USC. To the best of my knowledge, Nick was walking as he was seen on video's walking. Does he own a car? Did he steal his parents car after the murders? Because if not, 6+ hours is a LOT of walking. That leads me to wonder if he took public transportation which are equipped with cameras. Even if he did not, there are camera everywhere so they'd have captured him from start to finish, either walking or riding.

Map SOURCE.

 

[AuDHD]

Just to clarify a few things about addition medicine and terms used here. First, “california sober” means weed only. no alcohol. I think prescribed meds like if one has adhd is OK too on this informal “program.”

There is also a growing chorus in the field of addiction medicine suggesting a move away from complete abstinence as the end goal in favor of what’s called “harm reduction.” My own psychiatrist is board certified in addiction medicine and favors this approach. We use it for me for weed & shopping addictions. It’s basically asking “what’s the problem you’re having due to your anddiction? and is there a way to solve it that isn’t stop using all addictive substances forever?”

An example of “harm reduction” would be like after my alcoholic mother got a DUI, she decided not to drive at night anymore bc that’s when she drinks.

Now, I’m not sure I agree with this approach… it def doesn’t work for all people or all situations, and I think you’d need to have an addiction specialist overseeing this process which Nick probably didn’t. My mom doesn’t have a doc either & simply abstaining from driving at night of course did not solve her alcohol issues. But, it’s a start! A competent practitioner (like my doc) could help her see other problems stemming from her use that she needs to minimize, rather than simply preventing a catastrophe like a DUI.

Maybe Nick was trying to use lesser substances (like weed) to stave off cravings for harder drugs (like meth)… kind of similar to how a lot of ppl in Narcotics Anonymous take up smoking cigarettes— it helps their brain to be addicted to something in place of the more harmful thing. My friend traded heroin for cigarettes on the advice of her NA group.

all JMO & experience!

 

[Seattle1]

Is there a way to read that? It’s paywalled

I don't think I can gift an article from the UK Edition, so try this. If it doesn't work, I apologize.

12/18/25- Insiders Reveal Who is Paying

 

[Herat]

Just to clarify a few things about addition medicine and terms used here. First, “california sober” means weed only. no alcohol. I think prescribed meds like if one has adhd is OK too on this informal “program.”

There is also a growing chorus in the field of addiction medicine suggesting a move away from complete abstinence as the end goal in favor of what’s called “harm reduction.” My own psychiatrist is board certified in addiction medicine and favors this approach. We use it for me for weed & shopping addictions. It’s basically asking “what’s the problem you’re having due to your anddiction? and is there a way to solve it that isn’t stop using all addictive substances forever?”

An example of “harm reduction” would be like after my alcoholic mother got a DUI, she decided not to drive at night anymore bc that’s when she drinks.

Now, I’m not sure I agree with this approach… it def doesn’t work for all people or all situations, and I think you’d need to have an addiction specialist overseeing this process which Nick probably didn’t. My mom doesn’t have a doc either & simply abstaining from driving at night of course did not solve her alcohol issues. But, it’s a start! A competent practitioner (like my doc) could help her see other problems stemming from her use that she needs to minimize, rather than simply preventing a catastrophe like a DUI.

Maybe Nick was trying to use lesser substances (like weed) to stave off cravings for harder drugs (like meth)… kind of similar to how a lot of ppl in Narcotics Anonymous take up smoking cigarettes— it helps their brain to be addicted to something in place of the more harmful thing. My friend traded heroin for cigarettes on the advice of her NA group.

all JMO & experience!

Thanks for sharing that, @AuDMD

I found that very interesting.

 

[everlearning]

So this is just my opinion. I have and have had addicts in my family. My dad died because of the damage alcohol did to his body.

I think there are some people who can't live sober in freedom. They need structure and unless its imposed on them by law, they resist and resent any steps or offers of it.

We often see this happen with criminals. When they "find God" while incarcerated, many of them probably do find God, and live exemplary lives in the structure of prison. Could they live as law abiding citizens? Many don't. The recidivism rate is high. When I've done prison ministry, the biggest request the women have (besides their children) is to be able to stay out. Not come back. Many were repeat offenders.

Mix mental health issues in with addiction, geez Louise, such a toxic mix.

NR should be incarcerated in prison or a mental hospital for the criminally insane for life. He must be held accountable for his crime. Just my opinion.

 

[NottaYutz]

Apologies if this has already been posted. It's a solid article.

I Sat Down to Dinner With Rob, Michele and Nick Reiner. It Was Heartwarming and Jarring.