CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025

[femto]

You don't know how long each "stint" was. It makes no sense. Your statement of fact that he could only come home if he promisrd them to "take another stint".

No, I don't but he specifically mentions that at least some were for months and as far as I know a rehab stint is at least a month.. About the 'another stint', it's also what he said

RSBM
In the 2016 film promotion interviews with Nick and Rob, Nick claims that he has been at 17 treatment facilities since age 15. In 2016, he was 23 years old, and he claimed that he was clean for a period of time prior to releasing the film.

I don't know which interview you're referring to but on Dopey he said he went through 18 rehabs by the time he was age 19. In one of his last appearances there he indicated he had relapsed and went to do more. This was post-Charlie

17 treatment facilities in 6-7 years is roughly 3 per year. He couldn't have been homeless during that time, other than homeless meaning that he was not living at home with his parents. I doubt that he was living on the streets for any length of time. He could go home anytime he needed money, food, a rest from drug life.

He said he was homeless for some of those because he tended to run away. As far as him going back, the way he explained it on Dopey was that he could on the condition he gets clean and goes to another rehab. And the cycle repeats.

That was his choice to run away, again and again.

Nobody suggested anything different. But the point is he was still a kid and arguing that going through them wouldn't be damaging to his psyche isn't exactly novel science.

So for 6 years he could not agree to comply, stop using drugs, and see how that worked for him?

Yeah? But that is not how drug addicts operate (or any kind of addicts in general). They will stop when they themselves reach that conclusion, not when they are forced to.

Their approach was to try and get their young son to clean up his drug usage and get back into school. I think that is understandable.

Who argued different?

Yes, homeless by his own choice. He could have quit using drugs and then stayed home in his luxurious room in his mansion. It was up to him.

His exhaustion came about because of his total resistance to following basic rules all minors must follow. Don't do anything illegal under your parent's roof and you can live your life your own way when you are independent.

But this is not what we're arguing about, that's the problem. If it went that way, then this wouldn't have happened and we wouldn't be talking about it.

Just because 'he said' it was the 1st time it ever crossed his mind, doesn't make it true. It sounds more like a manipulation or gaslighting, than a true statement. IMO

He said it on a podcast with other former junkies, I don't think he was trying to manipulate anyone.

His teen transgressions were not 'mild teenage stuff'. He began having explosive temper tantrums as a young child. And that behaviour continued and then amped up.

The boot camps were about more than just pot use. It was about him being a defiant, angry kid who needed a wake up call.

He was destructive, disobedient and unwilling to comply with basic requests. His whole family tip toed around him because of his extreme reactions.

I think you're trying to make it seem like he was a regular teenager who smoked a joint now and then, harmless fun, and his parents overreacted.

That is not what they were dealing with. He was throwing furniture across the room, throwing dishes and glasses during dinner, refusing to go to school , and purposely obstructing the family life scene.

What were they supposed to do?

Where are you getting all that from? This is all new to me. With that said, I never suggested his parents overreacted, just that they went the wrong way about it. They should have kept a closer eye on him and had him under direct supervision, not send him to people they don't know on the other side of the country. That doesn't mean they were bad parents, I get why they did that - they had money and thought that the best way to help him is to send him to exceedingly expensive fancy treatments. The best money can buy. But the problem is I don't think Nick Reiner's problems (or any other drug addict's problems) are solved by throwing money at it. I'm not at all blaming them, they tried to provide the best for their son with the means they had at their disposal, and of course there is nothing to suggest he'd have turned any better if they took a different approach, all I'm simply arguing and trying to understand is where he got so wrong. And I'm absolutely not of the belief that he was always born rotten or any of that.

 

[Dotta]

I'm surprised that he was let into family house or guest house when he reached adulthood.
Parents and siblings being terrorized by an adult drug addict to the point of calling Police is horrific.
An adult addict should take responsibility and lead life separately.
Otherwise, the whole family lives in hell.

JMO

 

[NuttMegg]

This timeline of 'mental health checks' by LAPD 911 calls to the Reiner home is interesting:
once in 2013, 2014 and 2017, twice in 2019 for "for a mental health-related check on a male subject."

Nick was 20 in 2013, 21 in 2014. He was writing his Being Charlie project during this time, and collaborating on it with his Dad, because it was released in 2015.

So things were not so smooth at this time?

Nick Reiner Wanted a Gun Before Allegedly Murdering His Parents in Brutal Stabbing, Source Claims: 'He Was Focused'

Nick Reiner is being held without bail in an L.A. prison after being charged with the first-degree murders of his parents, Rob and Michele.

okmagazine.com

The news publication obtained records from the LAPD that proved authorities were dispatched to the $13.5 million property at least six times in the last 12 years: once in 2013, 2014 and 2017, twice in 2019, and on December 14, the day the Reiners were found dead.

Reasons for the police visits included alleged family violence, as well as welfare and mental health checks. Prior to the murders, authorities were last called to the residence on September 27, 2019, at around 4:24 p.m. for a mental health-related check on a male subject.

In February of that same year, police were called for a welfare check at 9:51 p.m. Nick had notably been intermittently living on his parents' property between bouts of homelessness and rehab stints.

"Brentwood is a fairly quiet neighborhood. You don't generally get a lot of calls for service at a home," the source explained. "In this case, the officers had a recollection that they responded to the home on numerous occasions. It was significant, the number of times they visited that home."

Look at that 1 photo of NR and RR. If looks could kill. Not an iota of warmth in that full toothed "smile".

 

[otto]

This timeline of 'mental health checks' by LAPD 911 calls to the Reiner home is interesting:
once in 2013, 2014 and 2017, twice in 2019 for "for a mental health-related check on a male subject."

Nick was 20 in 2013, 21 in 2014. He was writing his Being Charlie project during this time, and collaborating on it with his Dad, because it was released in 2015.

So things were not so smooth at this time?

Nick Reiner Wanted a Gun Before Allegedly Murdering His Parents in Brutal Stabbing, Source Claims: 'He Was Focused'

Nick Reiner is being held without bail in an L.A. prison after being charged with the first-degree murders of his parents, Rob and Michele.

okmagazine.com

The news publication obtained records from the LAPD that proved authorities were dispatched to the $13.5 million property at least six times in the last 12 years: once in 2013, 2014 and 2017, twice in 2019, and on December 14, the day the Reiners were found dead.

Reasons for the police visits included alleged family violence, as well as welfare and mental health checks. Prior to the murders, authorities were last called to the residence on September 27, 2019, at around 4:24 p.m. for a mental health-related check on a male subject.

In February of that same year, police were called for a welfare check at 9:51 p.m. Nick had notably been intermittently living on his parents' property between bouts of homelessness and rehab stints.

"Brentwood is a fairly quiet neighborhood. You don't generally get a lot of calls for service at a home," the source explained. "In this case, the officers had a recollection that they responded to the home on numerous occasions. It was significant, the number of times they visited that home."

Rob was able to restrain Nick in a bearhug during tantrums when he was a younger child, but by the time Nick was 14-15 years old, he was taller and stronger.

Today Nick is 6'3" and 230 pounds. He was having tantrums during his twenties, so it's reasonable to assume that he has tantrums today at the age of 32.

The bearhug worked until Nick was older. Was that the wrong response? Who knows. It worked until it didn't. Then rehab was the only choice - but I think that was for anger before it was for drug abuse.

A similar personality might be Joran van der Sloot. His parents sought psychiatric treatment for him when he was 14 years old due to tantrums. They were afraid that Joran would seriously hurt his two brothers. After his second murder, we heard more about Joran's zero to 100 temper. One minute everything seems fine, the next minute, Joran put an elbow into someone's face and then beat them senseless. With Stephany Flores Ramírez, he instantly beat her to death ... then went shopping for coffee. That is similar to Nick. He violently attacked his parents with a knife, then went to the gas station to buy a drink.

 

[NuttMegg]

Rob was able to restrain Nick in a bearhug during tantrums when he was a younger child, but by the time Nick was 14-15 years old, he was taller and stronger.

Today Nick is 6'3" and 230 pounds. He was having tantrums during his twenties, so it's reasonable to assume that he has tantrums today at the age of 32.

The bearhug worked until Nick was older. Was that the wrong response? Who knows. It worked until it didn't. Then rehab was the only choice - but I think that was for anger before it was for drug abuse.

A similar personality might be Joran van der Sloot. His parents sought psychiatric treatment for him when he was 14 years old due to tantrums. They were afraid that Joran would seriously hurt his two brothers. After his second murder, we heard more about Joran's zero to 100 temper. One minute everything seems fine, the next minute, Joran put an elbow into someone's face and then beat them senseless. With Stephany Flores Ramírez, he instantly beat her to death ... then went shopping for coffee. That is similar to Nick. He violently attacked his parents with a knife, then went to the gas station to buy a drink.

I wonder if Nick ever bit him during those bear hugs.

 

[otto]

I'm curious whether Nick planned to tell police that everything was fine when he left home ... that he left, got a drink at the gas station, had a long walk, checked into a hotel to cool off, and his parents must have been murdered while he was away.

Did his parents confront him when they returned from the party and tell him to get a hotel for the night? Did they tell him to get out, and that made Nick angrier?

I doubt the evening ended with Rob telling Nick to have a good sleep and they'll talk about it later. Based on what we know, it sounds like Rob and Michele knew Nick well enough to know that he was too wound up to be safe.

 

[katydid23]

Where are you getting all that from? This is all new to me. With that said, I never suggested his parents overreacted, just that they went the wrong way about it. They should have kept a closer eye on him and had him under direct supervision, not send him to people they don't know on the other side of the country. That doesn't mean they were bad parents, I get why they did that - they had money and thought that the best way to help him is to send him to exceedingly expensive fancy treatments. The best money can buy. But the problem is I don't think Nick Reiner's problems (or any other drug addict's problems) are solved by throwing money at it. I'm not at all blaming them, they tried to provide the best for their son with the means they had at their disposal, and of course there is nothing to suggest he'd have turned any better if they took a different approach, all I'm simply arguing and trying to understand is where he got so wrong. And I'm absolutely not of the belief that he was always born rotten or any of that.

I'll find some links for you. His family friends spoke about him being very difficult as a child. There was even a book written about him. I will link it below.

He began having tantrums as a child:

Nick Reiner’s Childhood Tantrums Were Depicted in an Illustrated Book About Yoga

The family instructor tried to make the best of his behavioral issues by channeling them into 'A Chair in the Air.'

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Nick Reiner’s Childhood Tantrums Were Depicted in an Illustrated Book About Yoga​

The family instructor tried to make the best of his behavioral issues by channeling them into 'A Chair in the Air.'

Published in 2005, A Chair in the Air was an attempt by yoga instructor Alanna Zabel at processing her experiences working for the family in the early 2000s, when Nick would regularly interrupt the private classes with screaming outbursts that could last 20 minutes or longer, according to the Daily Mail.

Truth about 'little Nicky': Rob Reiner's friends reveal red flags

The 32-year-old's strained relationship with his parents has been no secret in Hollywood, with his father even making a film with his son about the challenges they faced due to Nick's drug addiction.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Troubled truth about 'little Nicky': Rob Reiner's friends reveal son's lifetime of red flags... as he's arrested over violent murders​

PUBLISHED: 10:00 EST, 15 December 2025 | UPDATED: 15:41 EST, 16 December 2025


Rob and Michele Reiner's son Nick was a deeply troubled child who needed physical restraint for his rages from a young age, according to a family friend who has known the 32-year-old all his life.


But the family friend told the Daily Mail that Nick's issues began well before his teenage years, and sadly suggested that Reiner, 78, and Michele, 70, 'babied' their son — to the frustration of his siblings Romy, 27, and Jake, 34.

'A lot of their fights had to do with him just doing something self-destructive, and fighting back when they tried to help him,' the friend said. 'It did get physical sometimes — I'm not talking punches, but restraining him.

'I was over there, it must have been early 2000s because he was about 11, and he was throwing the biggest tantrum, and Reiner just had him in a bear hug to restrain him.

'The tantrum was over nothing, but he had so much anger in his eyes. It was terrifying really. And this happened a lot, and he never outgrew it. He had tantrums in his 20s.'


And Rob and Michele were so protective of all their kids, but especially Nick. He was the one who gave them the most trouble. There were a lot of sleepless nights because of him. The drug use, the mental spirals. He was unwell a lot of the time, and they were doing whatever they could to hold it together for him. To anchor him. He just had so many problems; he was so troubled. And they loved him dearly.'

 

[katydid23]

But Nick's unpredictability and even aggression towards his family seemingly continued.
In an episode of the Dopey podcast in 2018, he described the time he destroyed his parents' guesthouse while 'spun out' on meth after being told to leave.

During the program from August 18 that year, host David Mannheim asked Nick: 'What about when you wrecked the guesthouse on meth?'

'I got totally spun out on uppers. I think it was coke and something else,' Nick replied.

'I was up for days on end. I started punching out different things in my guest house.

'I started with the TV and then went over to the lamp.

'Everything in the guesthouse got wrecked.

When asked if punching the furniture was a way to relieve tension, Nick replied: 'No, you're crazy. No logic.'

Mannheim, a longtime recovering addict, told Nick he was concerned about him and urged him to give recovery another chance.

Family friend says Rob Reiner restrained 'grunting' son Nick age 11

Rob and Michele Reiner's son Nick was a deeply troubled child who went into violent rages from a young age, according to a family friend who has known the 32-year-old all his life.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[katydid23]

It sounds to me like NR had Oppositional Defiant Disorder. It is marked by temper tantrums, disobeying rules, deliberately trying to upset people. It has a negative impact on the family and school environment. It is difficult to treat but includes parent training, family therapy and behavioral therapy. While NR was sent away for treatment, the parents weren't availed of tools to deal with NR's behavior.

I did see articles saying that they did 'family therapy' together with Nick, to try and learn those kinds of tools.
[One example linked below]



"Zabel said the Reiners had hired a therapist to help tackle the problems they faced with Nick.

'The fact that they were seeing a family therapist shows how much they cared. They were trying to figure it out,' said Zabel, who has a degree in child development."

Truth about 'little Nicky': Rob Reiner's friends reveal red flags

The 32-year-old's strained relationship with his parents has been no secret in Hollywood, with his father even making a film with his son about the challenges they faced due to Nick's drug addiction.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[NuttMegg]

I'll find some links for you. His family friends spoke about him being very difficult as a child. There was even a book written about him. I will link it below.

He began having tantrums as a child:

Nick Reiner’s Childhood Tantrums Were Depicted in an Illustrated Book About Yoga

The family instructor tried to make the best of his behavioral issues by channeling them into 'A Chair in the Air.'

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Nick Reiner’s Childhood Tantrums Were Depicted in an Illustrated Book About Yoga​

The family instructor tried to make the best of his behavioral issues by channeling them into 'A Chair in the Air.'

Published in 2005, A Chair in the Air was an attempt by yoga instructor Alanna Zabel at processing her experiences working for the family in the early 2000s, when Nick would regularly interrupt the private classes with screaming outbursts that could last 20 minutes or longer, according to the Daily Mail.

Truth about 'little Nicky': Rob Reiner's friends reveal red flags

The 32-year-old's strained relationship with his parents has been no secret in Hollywood, with his father even making a film with his son about the challenges they faced due to Nick's drug addiction.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Troubled truth about 'little Nicky': Rob Reiner's friends reveal son's lifetime of red flags... as he's arrested over violent murders​

PUBLISHED: 10:00 EST, 15 December 2025 | UPDATED: 15:41 EST, 16 December 2025


Rob and Michele Reiner's son Nick was a deeply troubled child who needed physical restraint for his rages from a young age, according to a family friend who has known the 32-year-old all his life.


But the family friend told the Daily Mail that Nick's issues began well before his teenage years, and sadly suggested that Reiner, 78, and Michele, 70, 'babied' their son — to the frustration of his siblings Romy, 27, and Jake, 34.

'A lot of their fights had to do with him just doing something self-destructive, and fighting back when they tried to help him,' the friend said. 'It did get physical sometimes — I'm not talking punches, but restraining him.

'I was over there, it must have been early 2000s because he was about 11, and he was throwing the biggest tantrum, and Reiner just had him in a bear hug to restrain him.

'The tantrum was over nothing, but he had so much anger in his eyes. It was terrifying really. And this happened a lot, and he never outgrew it. He had tantrums in his 20s.'


And Rob and Michele were so protective of all their kids, but especially Nick. He was the one who gave them the most trouble. There were a lot of sleepless nights because of him. The drug use, the mental spirals. He was unwell a lot of the time, and they were doing whatever they could to hold it together for him. To anchor him. He just had so many problems; he was so troubled. And they loved him dearly.'

That's horrible. A similar situation, a friend of mine is caring for her hubby who has what I call "mean" dementia. She is small and has to tiptoe around all day lest he fly off into a tantrum. Trying to keep him home as long as possible. When it gets physical she could scream "the house is on fire", but he is so literally gone it has to go thru 10 minutes of meanness before he asks "what's for dinner?" But this is 75 not 15 or 25.

 

[Dotta]

It seems to me
NR suffered from very serious MH issues from early age.
Maybe a stay in a psychiatric hospital under the care of doctors
would have been better than all these "camps"??
What was his family doctor's opinion on these behavioral problems?
Family doctors can help a family sending a minor patient to mental institution for diagnosis and psychiatric treatment.
Drug addiction seems to me the result of mental issues, like self medicating.

JMO

 

[SaraSmile]

Nick was an angry teenage child who used to drugs. I don't believe that his parents sent him to rehab at age 15 for smoking pot. That seems like an out of proportion response.

I'm guessing that he was sent to treatment facilities for his anger problems, which made him more angry, and more determined to retaliate against his parents. He must have learned at an early age that people were shocked and uncertain how to react when he had a tantrum - and he probably felt powerful when he unsettled others ... a combination of nurture and nature.

That was followed by Nick choosing drugs like heroin, meth and whatever he could get.

Throughout his life, Nick made choices. He alone is responsible for his choice to be rude towards his parents' friend until he was asked to leave. He chose to let that anger consume him. He chose to lash out at his parents and murder them.

I like what you said about angry people think the anger makes them more powerful.

This is so common with mentally ill people, and especially addicts. They learn to manipulate, get their way. Nicks statement “ don’t set me off”, a joke and a threat.

That makes sense that parents sent him away to bootcamp for anger. I, too, thought he was on drugs at an early age, more than just pot and alcohol. I thought probably meth, cocaine, both can lead to bouts of anger. Maybe psychedelics, made him even more unstable.

Then he met the Heroin “friend” at bootcamp. Also common, some recovery buddies get high together, unless they have committed to sobriety, the program, and only keeping sober friends.
MOO

 

[katydid23]

Nobody suggested anything different. But the point is he was still a kid and arguing that going through them wouldn't be damaging to his psyche isn't exactly novel science.

I think the problem is that his psyche was already damaged. He had been aggressive and confrontational towards his family for quite awhile. They could not control his outbursts and defiant behaviour once he became a big, strong teenager.

Yeah? But that is not how drug addicts operate (or any kind of addicts in general). They will stop when they themselves reach that conclusion, not when they are forced to.

What if they don't reach that conclusion by themselves? What does a parent do if their child is doing drugs day and night and refusing to go to school or behave at home?

Do they just allow the child to do whatever they want until they decide for themselves to get sober?

He said it on a podcast with other former junkies, I don't think he was trying to manipulate anyone.

I think it's possible he was being manipulative. He wasn't just speaking to the podcasters, he was speaking to his audience and to his family. He knew they'd be hearing it. It was a nice Eff You to them, imo.

Where are you getting all that from? This is all new to me. With that said, I never suggested his parents overreacted, just that they went the wrong way about it. They should have kept a closer eye on him and had him under direct supervision, not send him to people they don't know on the other side of the country.

They tried that^^^ for years. It didn't work. He had been defiant and aggressive since childhood. He had been under their direct supervision. It was not working.

That doesn't mean they were bad parents, I get why they did that - they had money and thought that the best way to help him is to send him to exceedingly expensive fancy treatments. The best money can buy. But the problem is I don't think Nick Reiner's problems (or any other drug addict's problems) are solved by throwing money at it. I'm not at all blaming them, they tried to provide the best for their son with the means they had at their disposal, and of course there is nothing to suggest he'd have turned any better if they took a different approach, all I'm simply arguing and trying to understand is where he got so wrong. And I'm absolutely not of the belief that he was always born rotten or any of that.

They hoped that 'experts' would be able to help him because they were failing.

 

[katydid23]

It seems to me
NR suffered from very serious MH issues from early age.
Maybe a stay in a psychiatric hospital under the care of doctors
would have been better than all these "camps"??
What was his family doctor's opinion on these behavioral problems?
Family doctors can help a family sending a minor patient to mental institution for diagnosis and psychiatric treatment.
Drug addiction seems to me the result of mental issues, like self medicating.

JMO

It is very hard to send a minor to a psychiatric hospital just because of drug usage.

Besides that, parents don't want to have a record of psychiatric hospital treatment for their young teen, which could haunt them when they apply for college or good jobs.

 

[Dotta]

Besides that, parents don't want to have a record of psychiatric hospital treatment for their young teen, which could haunt them when they apply for college or good jobs.

RSBM

I don't understand this way of thinking

I'm very suspicious of all kinds of "camps",
after following the thread on WS about a boy who died suffocating in his bed while being restrained.

We don't have such camps where I live.

Psychiatric hospital with doctors who are specialists is the right place to treat MH problems.

IMO
Using drugs was secondary to very serious MH issues.
How were they treated?
What exactly was his problem?
Was he properly diagnosed?

It was reported that NR has been diagnosed with schizophrenia only recently, and he is already 32.

JMO

 

[otto]

But Nick's unpredictability and even aggression towards his family seemingly continued.
In an episode of the Dopey podcast in 2018, he described the time he destroyed his parents' guesthouse while 'spun out' on meth after being told to leave.

During the program from August 18 that year, host David Mannheim asked Nick: 'What about when you wrecked the guesthouse on meth?'

'I got totally spun out on uppers. I think it was coke and something else,' Nick replied.

'I was up for days on end. I started punching out different things in my guest house.

'I started with the TV and then went over to the lamp.

'Everything in the guesthouse got wrecked.

When asked if punching the furniture was a way to relieve tension, Nick replied: 'No, you're crazy. No logic.'

Mannheim, a longtime recovering addict, told Nick he was concerned about him and urged him to give recovery another chance.

Family friend says Rob Reiner restrained 'grunting' son Nick age 11

Rob and Michele Reiner's son Nick was a deeply troubled child who went into violent rages from a young age, according to a family friend who has known the 32-year-old all his life.

www.dailymail.co.uk

He says "everything in the guest house got wrecked," as though it had nothing to do with him. He doesn't take ownership and say "I destroyed my parents property."

Crazy? No logic? I don't believe it. He has enough logic to avoid taking responsibility for the damage he caused.

Everyone experiences anger at some point during their lives. Most learn to manage that anger. People like Nick choose to use their anger to intimidate others. His choice.

 

[SaraSmile]

I'll find some links for you. His family friends spoke about him being very difficult as a child. There was even a book written about him. I will link it below.

He began having tantrums as a child:

Nick Reiner’s Childhood Tantrums Were Depicted in an Illustrated Book About Yoga

The family instructor tried to make the best of his behavioral issues by channeling them into 'A Chair in the Air.'

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Nick Reiner’s Childhood Tantrums Were Depicted in an Illustrated Book About Yoga​

The family instructor tried to make the best of his behavioral issues by channeling them into 'A Chair in the Air.'

Published in 2005, A Chair in the Air was an attempt by yoga instructor Alanna Zabel at processing her experiences working for the family in the early 2000s, when Nick would regularly interrupt the private classes with screaming outbursts that could last 20 minutes or longer, according to the Daily Mail.

Truth about 'little Nicky': Rob Reiner's friends reveal red flags

The 32-year-old's strained relationship with his parents has been no secret in Hollywood, with his father even making a film with his son about the challenges they faced due to Nick's drug addiction.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Troubled truth about 'little Nicky': Rob Reiner's friends reveal son's lifetime of red flags... as he's arrested over violent murders​

PUBLISHED: 10:00 EST, 15 December 2025 | UPDATED: 15:41 EST, 16 December 2025


Rob and Michele Reiner's son Nick was a deeply troubled child who needed physical restraint for his rages from a young age, according to a family friend who has known the 32-year-old all his life.


But the family friend told the Daily Mail that Nick's issues began well before his teenage years, and sadly suggested that Reiner, 78, and Michele, 70, 'babied' their son — to the frustration of his siblings Romy, 27, and Jake, 34.

'A lot of their fights had to do with him just doing something self-destructive, and fighting back when they tried to help him,' the friend said. 'It did get physical sometimes — I'm not talking punches, but restraining him.

'I was over there, it must have been early 2000s because he was about 11, and he was throwing the biggest tantrum, and Reiner just had him in a bear hug to restrain him.

'The tantrum was over nothing, but he had so much anger in his eyes. It was terrifying really. And this happened a lot, and he never outgrew it. He had tantrums in his 20s.'


And Rob and Michele were so protective of all their kids, but especially Nick. He was the one who gave them the most trouble. There were a lot of sleepless nights because of him. The drug use, the mental spirals. He was unwell a lot of the time, and they were doing whatever they could to hold it together for him. To anchor him. He just had so many problems; he was so troubled. And they loved him dearly.'

Wow! The Book above^^^! I hadn’t seen that before. I had heard about the yoga sessions, Nick acting out. Thanks for posting. Ok, now we see that it started with severe mental illness, as a child.

I think there’s a brain scan that shows a different ( from normal) brain image in similar severe mental illness. Something in the pre frontal cortex, leads to NO Filter, impulsiveness, anger.

I would think he had that imaging done, not a remedy, just info for Drs treating him.

 

[Phoenix Lazarus]

He says "everything in the guest house got wrecked," as though it had nothing to do with him. He doesn't take ownership and say "I destroyed my parents property."

I'm very aware of the use of passive verbs when people are reluctantly to be direct about things they've done.

 

[katydid23]

RSBM

I don't understand this way of thinking

I'm very suspicious of all kinds of "camps",
after following the thread on WS about a boy who died suffocating in his bed while being restricted.

We don't have such camps where I live.

Psychiatric hospital with doctors who are specialists is the right place to treat MH problems.

IMO
Using drugs was secondary to very serious MH issues.
How were they treated?
What exactly was his problem?
Was he properly diagnosed?

It was reported that NR has been diagnosed with schizophrenia only recently, and he is already 32.

JMO

At this point they probably did not believe he was having Mental Health problems. Lots of teens abuse drugs. They thought it was just drug abuse, most likely.

You cannot get a mental health clinic to accept a child who is smoking pot and taking pills. Not unless they are suicidal or doing criminal acts, etc.

The right place for drug addiction is drug addiction specialists like in Rehab programs. Most mental health clinics would want the patient to go to rehab before coming to the climic , imo.

They had already had a family therapist working with the family to try and help them with the family dynamic and how to work with Nick on his behaviour.

 

[Dotta]

At this point they probably did not believe he was having Mental Health problems. Lots of teens abuse drugs. They thought it was just drug abuse, most likely.

You cannot get a mental health clinic to accept a child who is smoking pot and taking pills. Not unless they are suicidal or doing criminal acts, etc.

The right place for drug addiction is drug addiction specialists like in Rehab programs. Most mental health clinics would want the patient to go to rehab before coming to the climic , imo.

They had already had a family therapist working with the family to try and help them with the family dynamic and how to work with Nick on his behaviour.

Weren't Police called to the house several times??
Were they not "criminal acts"??