CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025

[Lonicera]

Regarding mental disorders (we talk about schyzophernia, psychosis), it should be known that they can lead to acts of extreme violence and often motivated by devastating anger. For years I saw the daughter of a friend alternating between acts of violence and false denunciations towards her sisters, brother, and mother: a real hell. In private, she had confided to me how much she hated her mother (who has always taken care of her!). She has been interned for 20 years, the last time I visited her she accused a nurse of eating human flesh ... She never took drugs and her disorders had started from childhood. The diagnosis was made around her 20/25 years old, today she is 61. The medications and age have spaced out and decreased her acts of violence.

 

[Cedars]

. I have taught many students who were bipolar and could not control their anger outbursts even when on meds.

And yet, since they didn't stab anyone to death, perhaps they were far more in control than they seemed.

JMO

 

[Seattle1]

That 'kissing on the lips' bit was a little ... odd.
Maybe a sign of severe codependency on Nicks' part ?
Or maybe Rob trying to calm Nick down like a toddler who's having a temper tantrum.

^^rsbm

IMO, I think males kissing on the lips can be cultural and/or familial.

There are also many old photos in MSM of an adult Rob, kissing his father, Carl, on the lips. Also, I recall NFL GOAT Tom Brady is known to kiss his father on the lips, and once dared to kiss his son (11), on the lips (Tom vs Time docuseries), -- until MSM tortured father and son over this! And also kissed his team's owner, Robert Kraft!

Rob & Carl kiss

Did Tom Brady and Patriots Owner Robert Kraft Kiss at the Super Bowl? Fans Think So

After the Patriots' big win, fans began sharing images and clips that appeared to show Tom Brady and Robert Kraft sharing a celebratory smooch

people.com

 

[Seattle1]

Allegedly. Yes. From what Ive read anyway.
Then there are articles like this that say

“ The drama "Being Charlie" tells the story of an 18-year-old's struggles with addiction, his time in rehab and his life in recovery. The film is based on the real-life experiences of Reiner's son, Nick, 32, who was in and out of rehab facilities between the ages of 15 and 19 for drug addiction and lived on the street for periods of time.

Which doesnt jive with him saying he’s been clean for 6 yrs before making “ being Charlie”
Article from:

Rob Reiner Spoke About Son Nick and the 'Very Personal' Movie They Made Together on TODAY in 2016

The acclaimed director's most personal film was a 2015 movie with a screenplay co-written by his son, Nick, who has been arrested in connection with his death.

www.today.com

and in this rolling stone article RR says Nick had been clean for 6 years before making “ being Charlie”
Rob Reiner Said Son Nick Was Sober and in 'Really Good Place' 3 Months Before Murders

I think this issue and/or statement about NR's sobriety can be misleading for a couple of reasons.

First, I learned for the first time after this horrific murder that there's a harm reduction sober-- better known as "California Sober" which seems to be defined as abstaining from heroin and meth, but drinking, smoking weed, and taking pills is allowed.

Second, NR met a writer in rehab several years before "Being Charlie" was released, and for about 5 years, they had been writing a script about life in rehab. Nick and his co-writer wanted their script to evolve into a TV series! IMO, I think NR and his co-writer friend hit a wall with everybody before he ever considered turning to Rob, most likely because he believed his only option to "sell" this venture to Rob would require him to be committed to sobriety. I think the question that remains is whether or not Rob shared Nick's definition of "sober."

IMO, Nick ultimately sold Rob on whatever he needed to hear. We know Rob already harbored much guilt for believing the "experts" and not his son about rehab. And we do know that Rob was promoting Nick and the film ("Being Charlie"), on the pretense that its screenwriter was in sobriety (the old fashion definition)-- living in a sober house, and it was Nick who soon confessed to a podcaster that "sobriety was a relative term," and he was living a lie....

(Appearing on a podcast a few weeks later, Nick would be more candid about his ambivalence toward the movie and the promotional efforts around it. Sobriety, he said, was a relative term. While he’d managed to get off meth and heroin, he was still drinking and smoking pot. “I said to [the film’s publicists], ‘Listen, I’m not in a position to do this. I’m not a quote unquote sober guy.’ I’m going to have to go on these talk shows. They said you have to do this. They want the whole father-son angle. It just goes to show you how disgusting it is.” But he finally relented. “It was uncomfortable, but I felt like it was part of the job.”)

"I'm not a quote unquote sober guy"

 

[Sadi]

^^bbm

For clarification of the timeline, the Sinclair Station only applies to Brentwood, and the station is just a half mile from the Reiner home. NR's seen here shortly after midnight, which makes it Sunday, 12/14.

NR is dressed differently (below) when captured in Brentwood-- strolling casually past the Sinclair Station, video timestamped 12:17 AM on 12/14.

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Sinclair Station NR sighting

The 8:20 pm sighting of NR on Sunday evening, 12/14, buying Gatorade was at an ARCO/AM-PM Mini-Mart store in LA near the UCLA/Expos Park Metro Station (Vermont & Exposition), an hour before he was arrested (see Fox11 link below). This is when NR is wearing the striped jacket and carrying a red backpack. He's also said to have crossed the street here, and was pacing back and forth for about an hour, while drinking the Gatorade, until LE drove up, surrounded him, and arrested NR.

Fox11- Surveillance video Arco mini-mart

Quick questions, do you think the first siting of Nick at 12:14am is him walking from the party and returning home? Or after the murders? What is in the backpack? The weapon? Extra clothes?

 

[lohrtabitha]

And yet, since they didn't stab anyone to death, perhaps they were far more in control than they seemed.

JMO

We don't allow knifes or weapons in school so for someone to assume that this would not happen if a circumstance was changed, is making an ill wager. Imo

 

[Seattle1]

Quick questions, do you think the first siting of Nick at 12:14am is him walking from the party and returning home? Or after the murders? What is in the backpack? The weapon? Extra clothes?

If we had some idea what time the Reiner's left Conan's party, this would help answer OP's question!
I'm inclined to think NR got rid of the weapon at the Santa Monica Pier.

We know that NR did not drive, so I think he walked, Uber'd, and/or used public transportation, and carrying a backpack was typical for him-- probably carried food, electronics, coat, and perhaps a change of clothes-- although I don't think hygiene was a priority. However, when NR was arrested, he was carrying a different backpack (red), wearing a striped jacket -- all different than his appearance when walking in Brentwood near the family residence at 12:14 am. At some point, he had to be carrying the change of clothes and the alternate backpack, unless he purchased them new-- sometime on Sunday. JMO

 

[Sadi]

If we had some idea what time the Reiner's left Conan's party, this would help answer OP's question!
I'm inclined to think NR got rid of the weapon at the Santa Monica Pier.

We know that NR did not drive, so I think he walked, Uber'd, and/or used public transportation, and carrying a backpack was typical for him-- probably carried food, electronics, coat, and perhaps a change of clothes-- although I don't think hygiene was a priority. However, when NR was arrested, he was carrying a different backpack (red), wearing a striped jacket -- all different than his appearance when walking in Brentwood near the family residence at 12:14 am. At some point, he had to be carrying the change of clothes and the alternate backpack, unless he purchased them new-- sometime on Sunday. JMO

Thank you

 

[Seattle1]

Did NR ever say that if it was a one shot deal or did he continue using heroin?
If he became addicted to heroin was he also being treated with methadone?
imo

I think it's safe to say NR continued using heroin because four years later, at age 22, NR confessed to a podcaster during the promo tour for "Being Charlie" that he was off heroin and meth (living in a sober house), but he was still using weed and drinking alcohol.

 

[Sadi]

If we had some idea what time the Reiner's left Conan's party, this would help answer OP's question!
I'm inclined to think NR got rid of the weapon at the Santa Monica Pier.

We know that NR did not drive, so I think he walked, Uber'd, and/or used public transportation, and carrying a backpack was typical for him-- probably carried food, electronics, coat, and perhaps a change of clothes-- although I don't think hygiene was a priority. However, when NR was arrested, he was carrying a different backpack (red), wearing a striped jacket -- all different than his appearance when walking in Brentwood near the family residence at 12:14 am. At some point, he had to be carrying the change of clothes and the alternate backpack, unless he purchased them new-- sometime on Sunday. JMO

If Nick was able to change clothes and get rid of the knife, could they still say he was insane and not be responsible? I hope not, but it’ll be interesting to see what happens next. Also, wouldn’t this be considered preplanned? So many questions.

 

[Seattle1]

12/31/25

Rob Reiner's autopsy release blocked is 'highly unusual': Geragos | Banfield​

 

[otto]

I think this issue and/or statement about NR's sobriety can be misleading for a couple of reasons.

First, I learned for the first time after this horrific murder that there's a harm reduction sober-- better known as "California Sober" which seems to be defined as abstaining from heroin and meth, but drinking, smoking weed, and taking pills is allowed.

Second, NR met a writer in rehab several years before "Being Charlie" was released, and for about 5 years, they had been writing a script about life in rehab. Nick and his co-writer wanted their script to evolve into a TV series! IMO, I think NR and his co-writer friend hit a wall with everybody before he ever considered turning to Rob, most likely because he believed his only option to "sell" this venture to Rob would require him to be committed to sobriety. I think the question that remains is whether or not Rob shared Nick's definition of "sober."

IMO, Nick ultimately sold Rob on whatever he needed to hear. We know Rob already harbored much guilt for believing the "experts" and not his son about rehab. And we do know that Rob was promoting Nick and the film ("Being Charlie"), on the pretense that its screenwriter was in sobriety (the old fashion definition)-- living in a sober house, and it was Nick who soon confessed to a podcaster that "sobriety was a relative term," and he was living a lie....

(Appearing on a podcast a few weeks later, Nick would be more candid about his ambivalence toward the movie and the promotional efforts around it. Sobriety, he said, was a relative term. While he’d managed to get off meth and heroin, he was still drinking and smoking pot. “I said to [the film’s publicists], ‘Listen, I’m not in a position to do this. I’m not a quote unquote sober guy.’ I’m going to have to go on these talk shows. They said you have to do this. They want the whole father-son angle. It just goes to show you how disgusting it is.” But he finally relented. “It was uncomfortable, but I felt like it was part of the job.”)

"I'm not a quote unquote sober guy"

Was it part of the job to falsely declare that he was an example of sober success? Was he forced to present a false narrative, or was that his choice? Was staying clean a condition for living in the guest house, and was he manipulating his father into believing that he was clean so he could have what he wanted?

Was the father-son angle the main point of the interviews? I'm not convinced. Did Nick believe that the post-movie interview was more theatre? For him, perhaps it was. I don't think it was for Rob.

I think the movie (have not watched it) and interviews would have had a greater impact if Nick told the truth about continuing to struggle, and still failing. It seems like Nick was never honest, and viewed the interviews, and his relationship with his father, as a game of creating illusions.

Consuming pot, alcohol and pills is not sober. Sounds like feel-good personal truth versus factual truth.

 

[Seattle1]

If Nick was able to change clothes and get rid of the knife, could they still say he was insane and not be responsible? I hope not, but it’ll be interesting to see what happens next. Also, wouldn’t this be considered preplanned? So many questions.

IMO, the only thing that can save NR in the way of a NGRI defense would be if Alan Jackson and the DA can come to an agreement to jointly stipulate the finding of insanity at the time of the offense. In CA, the burden is on the defense to prove NR was legally insane, and there's already so much evidence against NR for his consciousness of guilt-- beginning with his fleeing from the crime scene and checking into a hotel, allegedly taking and/or destroying the murder weapon, changing his clothes, etc. I don't think anybody wants NR to be a free man in society, and unless both sides can find experts to agree that NR belongs locked up in a medical ward, he's never been closer to an address at the CA Dept of Corrections for the remainder of his life! JMO.

 

[Seattle1]

12/29/25

New Details, New Concerns: Buzzard Murder Case & Reiner Insanity Battle​

08:49 Potential Insanity Defense in Nick Reiner Murder Case

 

[steeltowngirl]

IMO, the only thing that can save NR in the way of a NGRI defense would be if Alan Jackson and the DA can come to an agreement to jointly stipulate the finding of insanity at the time of the offense. In CA, the burden is on the defense to prove NR was legally insane, and there's already so much evidence against NR for his consciousness of guilt-- beginning with his fleeing from the crime scene and checking into a hotel, allegedly taking and/or destroying the murder weapon, changing his clothes, etc. I don't think anybody wants NR to be a free man in society, and unless both sides can find experts to agree that NR belongs locked up in a medical ward, he's never been closer to an address at the CA Dept of Corrections for the remainder of his life! JMO.

In addition to the defense and the DA agreeing, the judge would also have to accept a NGRI plea, I believe?

Not sure about California, but IIRC, Lisa Snyder in PA had her plea of ‘no contest but mentally ill’ rejected by the judge.

 

[Sadi]

IMO, the only thing that can save NR in the way of a NGRI defense would be if Alan Jackson and the DA can come to an agreement to jointly stipulate the finding of insanity at the time of the offense. In CA, the burden is on the defense to prove NR was legally insane, and there's already so much evidence against NR for his consciousness of guilt-- beginning with his fleeing from the crime scene and checking into a hotel, allegedly taking and/or destroying the murder weapon, changing his clothes, etc. I don't think anybody wants NR to be a free man in society, and unless both sides can find experts to agree that NR belongs locked up in a medical ward, he's never been closer to an address at the CA Dept of Corrections for the remainder of his life! JMO.

Thank you for your response, you help make it make sense.

 

[Seattle1]

12/30/25

Reiner Double Homicide: Why Did They Seal the Reiner Autopsies? Transparency in L.A.?​

02:55 Transparency in L.A.?

 

[Megnut]

If Nick was able to change clothes and get rid of the knife, could they still say he was insane and not be responsible? I hope not, but it’ll be interesting to see what happens next. Also, wouldn’t this be considered preplanned? So many questions.

Pre-plamned (pre-medicated) requires mere moments, during which a person can decide not to...

That he entered into his parents' bedroom while they were sleeping, and that he entered armed with a knife exposes pre-meditation.

He didn't go in there for conversation because you don't bring a weapon to word event. Wasn't self-defense. Wasn't (his own) castle domain. And psychosis? That's target convenient. He managed to check into a hotel. Are we to believe he engaged his sleeping parents while in some sort of stupor? Then what? He didn't seem too distraught, after the fact.

At most, I see mitigating factors if he were charged with aDP, but as to the crime itself, it's A LOT to expect a jury to excuse the middle couple minutes of what looks like a very deliberate (planned and premeditated) action.

JMO

 

[Cedars]

We don't allow knifes or weapons in school so for someone to assume that this would not happen if a circumstance was changed, is making an ill wager. Imo

So, to me, following through on that logic means there is are no moral guidelines (quaintly called "right" and "wrong": such as killing, stealing, lying, sexual assault or betrayal of commitments, choosing to be intoxicated), it's been replaced by the religion of brain chemistry and pychiatrists and psychologists are the priests of this new religion.

JMO

 

[otto]

It looks like talking heads are looking for conspiracy in the decision to restrict public access to evidence related to the Reiner murders. Autopsy reports are trial evidence. If released prematurely in his high profile case, there will be thousands of 'expert' opinions relating autopsy results to sentencing options. The debate will continue for years.

"Multiple sharp force injuries" suggests both received a lot of stab wounds. If one parent received more than the other, imagine the speculation that would trigger! Autopsy information should be withheld until trial to ensure a fair trial for Nick. It's murder, not murder-entertainment.

For the record, withholding this type of information is routine in Canada ... only released during trial to ensure a fair trial for the accused.

"A Los Angeles Superior Court judge has agreed to bar the release of Robert Reiner and Michele Singer Reiner’s autopsy reports at the request of law enforcement investigating the death of the Hollywood legend and his photographer wife. ... The order restricts the public release of “any investigative information, notes, reports or photos” related to the death investigation, according to the document obtained by The Times on Monday.

The medical examiner’s office had previously confirmed their deaths were the result of homicide, listing the cause as “multiple sharp force injuries” in its public database.

The LAPD sought to seal the records “to ensure detectives from Robbery-Homicide Division learned of important information surrounding their deaths before the media and the public,” the department said in a statement The Times on Monday.

Judge blocks release of Rob Reiner and Michele Singer Reiner autopsy findings

A Los Angeles Superior Court judge has agreed to bar the release of Robert Reiner and Michele Singer Reiner’s autopsy reports at the request of law enforcement.

www.latimes.com