CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025

[LadyL]

I'm not a doctor, but I would be inclined to put dementia, traumatic brain injury, and teenage anger in separate categories. All may present as angry, but I see the cause as mutually exclusive.

Dementia patients are often described as having "word salad". My interpretation is that people with dementia want to communicate, but lack words to accompany thoughts, and therefore become frustrated ... which is interpreted as irrational anger. It's possible that well meaning people presume that dementia clients have no thoughts, since the words don't make sense, but the reality may be loss of vocabulary to communicate thoughts. If people who have lost vocabulary, but retain reasoned thought, are treated as though they have no reasoned thought, frustration and anger is a normal response. It would be like having locked-in syndrome and being treated as though they are imbeciles. It's possible.

Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) is often described as "brain fog". A symptom of TBI is loss of vocabulary, similar to dementia. It is better understood that TBI vocabulary difficulties do not necessarily imply loss of reason or rational thought. The brain is remarkable in terms of re-wiring itself, so recovery from TBI often includes demonstrated proof that re-jigging vocabulary reveals rational thought. People who experience vocabulary difficulties after TBI, and who are treated as though they lack rational thought, will also demonstrate frustration; interpreted as anger.

Specifically, dementia and TBI have in common: loss of vocabulary, which, depending on the environment, can result in frustration; interpreted as anger.

The child who throws angry tantrums, and who continues to act out with angry tantrums as an adult, is not coping with communication interference. They have vocabulary, but they choose to physically lash out rather than take a deep breath and talk about their feelings. While lashing out as a child, and as an adult, they are aware of others' fearful reaction. I think that is a factor in the decision to lash out rather than verbally communicate.

We know that Nick started with tantrums as a young child, and still had tantrums in his 20s. Those angry outbursts are not caused by drug abuse. They pre-date drug abuse.

Does drug abuse damage the brain? Sure, as does a poor diet, dirty environment, and so on. Does drug abuse pre-dispose angry-murder? Doubt it.

those angry outbursts are not caused by drug abuse? exactly, they're caused by mental illness and possibly negative reactions with psychiatric drugs and/or illegal drugs

IMO he's mentally ill and has been since childhood and that it contributed to his not being able to control his 'angry outbursts'

 

[Wishbone]

Has it been reported AJ was hired by ‘the family’, or is the speculation only? I couldn’t find confirmation, closest to it an article in NYP claims he was hired by Nick.

Nick Reiner hired Alan Jackson, one of America’s top defense lawyers — here’s how much he could be charging

Jackson was revealed as Reiner’s attorney just days after his parents were found hacked to death in their Brentwood mansion Sunday.

nypost.com

Nick Reiner has hired celebrity defense attorney Alan Jackson as he faces charges for the gruesome murder of his parents, Rob and Michelle Reiner — and legal experts think the legal eagle could potentially charge over $1 million for the case.

Maybe this.

According to a longtime family friend, the money funding Nick’s elite defense is coming directly from Rob and Michele Reiner’s estate.

The insider, who had close ties to Rob’s father, actor and filmmaker Carl Reiner, said grieving relatives made the decision to retain Jackson themselves.

The motivation, the source claims, goes beyond legal strategy. Family members allegedly believe that psychiatric confinement would be preferable to a lifetime behind bars.

They would rather see Nick placed indefinitely in a mental institution than incarcerated in prison.

As a result, a portion of the Reiners’ estimated $200 million fortune is reportedly being used in an attempt to influence the outcome of the case.

A Hidden Funding Source Behind Nick Reiner’s Lawyer Is Exposed

As Nick Reiner faces murder charges, a family insider reveals where the money for his costly lawyer is really coming from.

www.yahoo.com

 

[JDG]

Eh, the kissing on the mouth stuff makes me uncomfortable, but I don’t begrudge it.

In my very affectionate family, I still would not kiss my mother or father on the lips, but I recognize that in some families it is the norm. I don’t see anything sinister or suggestive, just their way and so while I feel a little squirmy, I think that’s just a family habit, from Carl on down.

JMO

I guess for it to be considered normal within the family, I’d have to ask if they kissed all the adult children in that manner.

Or was this also part of what, IMO, is the babying of Nick.

Their family, their rules.

 

[LinasK]

I'm familiar with it, but it doesn't work exactly like that. You can only keep them for a MAXIMUM of 72 hours without going to court. Usually, what happens is they're brought in, evaluated by a mental health professional and either discharged or admitted (whether voluntary or involuntary). Generally, it's less than 12 hours. Only time they hold them for 72 hours without an admission or plan to admission (i.e. waiting for a bed) is if the presentation is so complicated, they need a lot more information/evaluation. This isn't all that common because the general rule of thumb is get them out of the emergency room (so either admit or discharge, or make it clear the person is boarding for a bed).

Once admitted involuntarily, the hospital generally has a set amount of time to go to court (sometimes another 72 hours, sometimes longer) to make the case for needing to keep them. If admitted voluntarily, then no court required.

I really wish someone from Conan O'Brien's party had called LE. If they'd have 5150'd him, the Reiners might still be alive today.

 

[MistyWaters]

Maybe this.

According to a longtime family friend, the money funding Nick’s elite defense is coming directly from Rob and Michele Reiner’s estate.

The insider, who had close ties to Rob’s father, actor and filmmaker Carl Reiner, said grieving relatives made the decision to retain Jackson themselves.

The motivation, the source claims, goes beyond legal strategy. Family members allegedly believe that psychiatric confinement would be preferable to a lifetime behind bars.

They would rather see Nick placed indefinitely in a mental institution than incarcerated in prison.

As a result, a portion of the Reiners’ estimated $200 million fortune is reportedly being used in an attempt to influence the outcome of the case.

A Hidden Funding Source Behind Nick Reiner’s Lawyer Is Exposed

As Nick Reiner faces murder charges, a family insider reveals where the money for his costly lawyer is really coming from.

www.yahoo.com

Oh yes, thank you for finding that! That’s it, in the same article as preference for psychiatric confinement.

 

[ttjo]

I'm familiar with it, but it doesn't work exactly like that. You can only keep them for a MAXIMUM of 72 hours without going to court. Usually, what happens is they're brought in, evaluated by a mental health professional and either discharged or admitted (whether voluntary or involuntary). Generally, it's less than 12 hours. Only time they hold them for 72 hours without an admission or plan to admission (i.e. waiting for a bed) is if the presentation is so complicated, they need a lot more information/evaluation. This isn't all that common because the general rule of thumb is get them out of the emergency room (so either admit or discharge, or make it clear the person is boarding for a bed).

Once admitted involuntarily, the hospital generally has a set amount of time to go to court (sometimes another 72 hours, sometimes longer) to make the case for needing to keep them. If admitted voluntarily, then no court required.

I have seen someone have a 6 hour stand off with a swat team while he locked himself inside a hotel room . He finally surrendered and was apprehended on the equivalent of a 51-50 ( I dont know what its called here) The hold was for 48 hours or until a psych professional cleared him, which happened within 12 hours.
Maybe some Canadians with more expertise in this area can explain that. It was wild, and of course he went straight back to terrorize the person he felt was to blame ( his mother) So basically the amount of hours was just the max he could be held , but if cleared sooner, they couldnt hold him anymore.

 

[JDG]

Maybe this.

According to a longtime family friend, the money funding Nick’s elite defense is coming directly from Rob and Michele Reiner’s estate.

The insider, who had close ties to Rob’s father, actor and filmmaker Carl Reiner, said grieving relatives made the decision to retain Jackson themselves.

The motivation, the source claims, goes beyond legal strategy. Family members allegedly believe that psychiatric confinement would be preferable to a lifetime behind bars.

They would rather see Nick placed indefinitely in a mental institution than incarcerated in prison.

As a result, a portion of the Reiners’ estimated $200 million fortune is reportedly being used in an attempt to influence the outcome of the case.

A Hidden Funding Source Behind Nick Reiner’s Lawyer Is Exposed

As Nick Reiner faces murder charges, a family insider reveals where the money for his costly lawyer is really coming from.

www.yahoo.com

The huge problem with a psychiatric institution is that he can (and might be) released at some point.

Just a swish of a pen and he’s out.

That fails to protect the citizens from this murderous monster as now required by law.

If he’s sentenced to life without parole in a prison, he’s not getting out. Ever.

That is what’s needed, IMO, to protect the citizens and fulfill the law.

The family ought not to be calling the shots IMO.

 

[LinasK]

Oh yes, thank you for finding that! That’s it, in the same article as preference for psychiatric confinement.

It still doesn't specify who in the family decided to hire him- we don't know if it was Romy & Jake, or their aunts & uncles. Rob & Michelle both have surviving siblings.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I have seen someone have a 6 hour stand off with a swat team while he locked himself inside a hotel room . He finally surrendered and was apprehended on the equivalent of a 51-50 ( I dont know what its called here) The hold was for 48 hours or until a psych professional cleared him, which happened within 12 hours.
Maybe some Canadians with more expertise in this area can explain that. It was wild, and of course he went straight back to terrorize the person he felt was to blame ( his mother) So basically the amount of hours was just the max he could be held , but if cleared sooner, they couldnt hold him anymore.

I can't speak for Canada, but in the US, he would have also likely been released unless his actions were the result of a diagnosable and treatable mental health condition. Otherwise, it's a law enforcement issue. Psych wards can't become alternative jails for criminals just for containment purposes. There are too many people with mental illness who need the beds and also psych staff are not law enforcement. So in the case of the person you describe, once cleared psychologically, that means his actions are not the result of mental illness. He's just a criminal. As such, it's law enforcement's responsibility to contain him and protect the community.

 

[Seattle1]

12/29/25

Was Nick Reiner’s violent history kept behind closed doors? What police calls may not reveal​

Brian is joined by his guest, former FBI SA Maureen O’Connell, a resident of Brentwood. She's not buying the insanity defense. Interesting when she asks Brian if he heard about NR's recent demand of Rob for $$$$ to make a movie.

We know from past reports that ten years ago-- Rob working with NR to make the film "Being Charlie" appeared to come with his expectation of NR maintaining sobriety. IMO, requests by NR today were most likely coming from NR as his birthright! And don't even think of denying me... Such a frightening thought. JMO

 

[Megnut]

With assets such as theirs, they no doubt had a will. Given NR's history of drug use, I would bet on careful language in regard to any inheritance for him. Money in trust. It's very possible IMO that RR and MR left clear instructions for the the executor of their will/estate/trust to provide legal counsel for NR, forecasting a need, while never conceiving of this situation.

JMO

 

[tricia]

Brian Entin is an approved source

 

[Sadi]

I really wish someone from Conan O'Brien's party had called LE. If they'd have 5150'd him, the Reiners might still be alive today.

It will be interesting to hear what the other guests from the party have to say about Nick if/when they’re called to testify. I’m sure there’s a lot of regrets and second thoughts about not doing something.

 

[su5ie]

I'm not a doctor, but I would be inclined to put dementia, traumatic brain injury, and teenage anger in separate categories. All may present as angry, but I see the cause as mutually exclusive.

Dementia patients are often described as having "word salad". My interpretation is that people with dementia want to communicate, but lack words to accompany thoughts, and therefore become frustrated ... which is interpreted as irrational anger. It's possible that well meaning people presume that dementia clients have no thoughts, since the words don't make sense, but the reality may be loss of vocabulary to communicate thoughts. If people who have lost vocabulary, but retain reasoned thought, are treated as though they have no reasoned thought, frustration and anger is a normal response. It would be like having locked-in syndrome and being treated as though they are imbeciles. It's possible.

Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) is often described as "brain fog". A symptom of TBI is loss of vocabulary, similar to dementia. It is better understood that TBI vocabulary difficulties do not necessarily imply loss of reason or rational thought. The brain is remarkable in terms of re-wiring itself, so recovery from TBI often includes demonstrated proof that re-jigging vocabulary reveals rational thought. People who experience vocabulary difficulties after TBI, and who are treated as though they lack rational thought, will also demonstrate frustration; interpreted as anger.

Specifically, dementia and TBI have in common: loss of vocabulary, which, depending on the environment, can result in frustration; interpreted as anger.

The child who throws angry tantrums, and who continues to act out with angry tantrums as an adult, is not coping with communication interference. They have vocabulary, but they choose to physically lash out rather than take a deep breath and talk about their feelings. While lashing out as a child, and as an adult, they are aware of others' fearful reaction. I think that is a factor in the decision to lash out rather than verbally communicate.

We know that Nick started with tantrums as a young child, and still had tantrums in his 20s. Those angry outbursts are not caused by drug abuse. They pre-date drug abuse.

Does drug abuse damage the brain? Sure, as does a poor diet, dirty environment, and so on. Does drug abuse pre-dispose angry-murder? Doubt it.

I've had the privilege/ personal insight into an early/ mid dementia patient being able to communicate this exact interpretation, the frustration at not being able to verbalise what they are thinking of saying causes frustration to look like anger and tantrum throwing but is really a deep upset at being aware of losing their ability to communicate effectively. It can cause the patient to shut down and for doctors to assume all faculties have been ravished by the disease

Very sad

 

[su5ie]

Until one walks in the shoes of having a mental illness, one can truly not understand the havoc the illness can bring. The neurological experts will be the assessors here. "A common misperception is that addiction is a choice or moral problem, and all you have to do is stop. But nothing could be further from the truth,” says Dr. George Koob, director of NIH’s National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. “Biology of Addiction.

The hypothesis here is each addict is different in the same way each person has their own individuality. Each addicts reason for using is personal to them and although shared feelings are common such as insecurity and anger etc . It is not strictly down to feelings as to why addicts use drugs otherwise anyone with negative thought patterns and negative feelings would use drugs as an emotional security blanket . A lot of it boils down to coping skills and boundaries

A one size fits all approach is why many addicts fail in their journey to recovery

A mental illness disorder like schizophrenia can exuberate the issue but again it is down to the individual neurology of those affected

I feel a lot of attention was given to fixing nick the addict without addressing the neurological reasons behind the use . Personality also affects the form in which an individual will express themselves in either drug abuse or mental illness

Life circumstances and expierence will also have an impact

So with Nick it would appear he had many of the negative traits before drugs even entered the domain , the drugs fed the devil ,the devil grew with the drugs not the devil was created solely by drug use .

I do feel Nick knew what he was doing at the moment of murder but with his history it may be easy to present a case for psychosis or insanity but presenting and winning are two very different things and if a jury is made up of our fellow peers I don't think what is known will win them over . I still feel the best approach is a plea deal . But with Nick being known for his deviance and defiance will he agree or will he just plead not guilty

 

[su5ie]

12/29/25

Was Nick Reiner’s violent history kept behind closed doors? What police calls may not reveal​

Brian is joined by his guest, former FBI SA Maureen O’Connell, a resident of Brentwood. She's not buying the insanity defense. Interesting when she asks Brian if he heard about NR's recent demand of Rob for $$$$ to make a movie.

We know from past reports that ten years ago-- Rob working with NR to make the film "Being Charlie" appeared to come with his expectation of NR maintaining sobriety. IMO, requests by NR today were most likely coming from NR as his birthright! And don't even think of denying me... Such a frightening thought. JMO

I wonder if this was true ,was Nick canvassing other famous people at Conans to fund his venture ,hence the awkward questions of are you famous, what's your surname etc

This would cause extreme embarrassment for the Reiner’s if he was asking fellow party goers and Robs friends and peers for funding

I do think a trial will reveal that any argument that ensued most likely was due to financial reasons either as stated here pre party or both pre and post

 

[NuttMegg]

The hypothesis here is each addict is different in the same way each person has their own individuality. Each addicts reason for using is personal to them and although shared feelings are common such as insecurity and anger etc . It is not strictly down to feelings as to why addicts use drugs otherwise anyone with negative thought patterns and negative feelings would use drugs as an emotional security blanket . A lot of it boils down to coping skills and boundaries

A one size fits all approach is why many addicts fail in their journey to recovery

A mental illness disorder like schizophrenia can exuberate the issue but again it is down to the individual neurology of those affected

I feel a lot of attention was given to fixing nick the addict without addressing the neurological reasons behind the use . Personality also affects the form in which an individual will express themselves in either drug abuse or mental illness

Life circumstances and expierence will also have an impact

So with Nick it would appear he had many of the negative traits before drugs even entered the domain , the drugs fed the devil ,the devil grew with the drugs not the devil was created solely by drug use .

I do feel Nick knew what he was doing at the moment of murder but with his history it may be easy to present a case for psychosis or insanity but presenting and winning are two very different things and if a jury is made up of our fellow peers I don't think what is known will win them over . I still feel the best approach is a plea deal . But with Nick being known for his deviance and defiance will he agree or will he just plead not guilty

He may reject a plea deal because although he knows he is cooked, he may want what's been swept under the rug for so long to be exposed. Knowing the lawyer will figuratively drive a very public stake into the hearts of the family, those dead and those alive. His last and final revenge on those who loved him for 32 years.

 

[su5ie]

He may reject a plea deal because although he knows he is cooked, he may want what's been swept under the rug for so long to be exposed. Knowing the lawyer will figuratively drive a very public stake into the hearts of the family, those dead and those alive. His last and final revenge on those who loved him for 32 years.

This is a what I can foresee happening if the NGRI can't be secured

Nick the victim being driven to kill his abusers

 

[NuttMegg]

This is a what I can foresee happening if the NGRI can't be secured

Nick the victim being driven to kill his abusers

We can already see it happening, sadly. 8 years down the line, like the attempted "it's HER fault" persecution of Shanann Watts rather then examine the baby killler's actions. YT channels devoted to invented, embroidered disclosures, did you hear what ELSE RR and MR did to him?

 

[su5ie]

We can already see it happening, sadly. 8 years down the line, like the attempted "it's HER fault" persecution of Shanann Watts rather then examine the baby killler's actions. YT channels devoted to invented, embroidered disclosures, did you hear what ELSE RR and MR did to him?

Yes I do see it happening in RT unfortunately

Is NR being held in a county jail or mental health secure facility atm