CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025

[katydid23]

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Tragic: Conan O'Brien could have saved Reiners' lives if he hadn't ordered guests not to call the police when Nick spun out of control

In CA it is a firm 72 hour hold. Conan stopped guests from calling police which circumvented this hold that would have saved Rob and Michele's lives. However, maybe not. Rob and Michele may have been against this 72 hour hold and insisted that they take Nick home, which of course they did.

I think the fault with Conan personally was he decided for himself what to do about Nick. Instead of discussing options with Nick's parents about the best way to handle the situation, Conan didn't want to be bothered having police swarming his house.

Could O'Brien have prevented the murders?

"When the s*** was hitting the fan," a second source recalled, "somebody said we need to call the police. The conversation was about getting this kid put into a mental-health hold."

That second source confirmed O'Brien's refusal to notify authorities.

"Conan O'Brien stepped in and said, 'No, I don't want the police at my house,' the source added. "It makes sense; who wants the cops showing up creating a scene? But the argument between Rob and Nick was pretty intense."

A person can be placed on a 5150 hold only if an authorized professional (e.g., police officer, mobile crisis team member, or certain mental health professionals) has probable cause to believe that, as a result of a mental disorder (or in some counties, substance use disorder under the new SB 43 law), the person is one of the following:

• A danger to themselves (DTS)
• A danger to others (DTO)
• Gravely disabled (GD), meaning they are unable to provide for their basic needs for food, clothing, or shelter

 

[Cool Cats]

It's only 72 hours if they decide you are in need of being taken in as mentally ill. *

Just because someone calls and says the person needs to be held, it does not mean he would meet the standard.

People sometimes know how to act calm and sane when they absolutely need to. Even if they are mentally ill.


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• Duration: The hold is for a period up to 72 hours. The facility can release the person sooner if they no longer meet the criteria for involuntary detention.
• Start Time: The 72-hour period begins at the time the person is first detained.

A person can be placed on a 5150 hold only if an authorized professional (e.g., police officer, mobile crisis team member, or certain mental health professionals) has probable cause to believe that, as a result of a mental disorder (or in some counties, substance use disorder under the new SB 43 law), the person is one of the following:

• A danger to themselves (DTS)
• A danger to others (DTO)
• Gravely disabled (GD), meaning they are unable to provide for their basic needs for food, clothing, or shelter

It is my opinion that Nick met the criteria to be held on a standard 72 hour hold. He was very ill at that time and very dangerous and an evaluation by experienced psychiatrists I believe would have shown that.

Why do I think this?

Hours later, apparently pre-meditated, he took a sharp object that left wounds consistent with knife cuts and stabbings, and ambushed his parents alone and helpless in their bedroom. Overpowering them he slit their throats by cuts and stabbings and we are not sure if other parts of their bodies had signs of rage over-kill. In other words, more stabbings? Full autopsy will give the truth.

If anyone needed a 72 hour hold, it was him.

Tragic new details in Rob and Michele Reiner’s murders emerge as death certificates are released

The couple’s troubled son, Nick Reiner, has been arrested and charged with two counts of first-degree murder with a special circumstance of multiple murders.

pagesix.com

"...with sources claiming their throats had been slit.
"... they died within “minutes” of receiving “multiple sharp force injuries” with a “knife."

 

[katydid23]

It is my opinion that Nick met the criteria to be held on a standard 72 hour hold. He was very ill at that time and very dangerous and an evaluation by experienced psychiatrists I believe would have shown that.

Yes, experienced psychiatrists would have uncovered his mental illness. I agree.

But the question is, would LAPD have actually taken him into custody for a psych evaluation?

If the guests said he was leering at them, asking if they were famous, would that be enough? If they said he and his father were screaming at each other, would that be enough?

I think it takes more than that. I've tried several times to get an actual schizophrenic to be taken in for treatment and we were denied most of the times.

Why do I think this?

Hours later, apparently pre-meditated, he took a sharp object that left wounds consistent with knife cuts and stabbings, and ambushed his parents alone and helpless in their bedroom. Overpowering them he slit their throats then committed over kill (rage acts) by stabbing them on other parts of their bodies.

If anyone needed a 72 hour hold, it was him.

I agree with you. But it is very hard to meet their criteria. >>> IMMINENT DANGER is their standard.

Tragic new details in Rob and Michele Reiner’s murders emerge as death certificates are released

The couple’s troubled son, Nick Reiner, has been arrested and charged with two counts of first-degree murder with a special circumstance of multiple murders.

pagesix.com

"...with sources claiming their throats had been slit.


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I totally understand why you think this. It makes sense. It should be enough.

It's just been my experience that it is very hard to get the LAPD to detain anyone for a 5150 unless they are obviously and blatantly out of their mind.

I do not believe that Nick presented that way. He had to be a 'clear and present danger to himself and others.'

By the time police would have arrived and pulled him aside to speak to him, IN my opinion, Nick would have been calm and collected. He would not have been aggressive or threatening. He knew better.

I don't think he was ever taken in on a 5150, that I am aware of.

If you have ever walked down the street in downtown Los Angeles, you will see a variety of wild weird characters, in their tents, shelters and cardboard boxes, living on the streets. None of them qualify for a 5150, even if they can barely fend for themselves.

They need to be out of their mind, in a delusional state, to be forced off the street.

 

[Cool Cats]

I totally understand why you think this. It makes sense.

It's just been my experience that it is very hard to get the LAPD to detain anyone for a 5150 unless they are obviously and blatantly out of their mind.

I do not believe that Nick presented that way. He had to be a 'clear and present danger to himself and others.'

By the time police would have arrived and pulled him aside to speak to him, IN my opinion, Nick would have been calm and collected. He would not have been aggressive or threatening. He knew better.

I don't think he was ever taken in on a 5150, that I am aware of.

If you have ever walked down the street in downtown Los Angeles, you will see a variety of wild weird characters, in their tents, shelters and cardboard boxes, living on the streets. None of them qualify for a 5150, even if they can barely fend for themselves.

They need to be out of their mind, in a delusional state, to be forced off the street.

All you have to do is tell your doctor you are feeling like you might hurt yourself or someone else and in you go. Wait in hospital for a bed in a mental health facility, can be days, then driven in ambulance sometimes far away to an empty bed in a mental ward.

 

[Hexe]

It is my opinion that Nick met the criteria to be held on a standard 72 hour hold. He was very ill at that time and very dangerous and an evaluation by experienced psychiatrists I believe would have shown that.

Why do I think this?

Hours later, apparently pre-meditated, he took a sharp object that left wounds consistent with knife cuts and stabbings, and ambushed his parents alone and helpless in their bedroom. Overpowering them he slit their throats by cuts and stabbings and we are not sure if other parts of their bodies had signs of rage over-kill. In other words, more stabbings? Full autopsy will give the truth.

Murdering someone, even by slitting their throat, is not exactly a symptom of mental illness.

 

[katydid23]

All you have to do is tell your doctor you are feeling like you might hurt yourself or someone else and in you go. Wait in hospital for a bed in a mental health facility, can be days, then driven in ambulance sometimes far away to an empty bed in a mental ward.

Right, you are correct.
But was Nick going to say he might hurt someone or himself? I don't think so.

I think he'd have said " I'd never hurt anybody." "I have no plans to hurt myself." blah blah blah...

 

[lohrtabitha]

Murdering someone, even by slitting their throat, is not exactly a symptom of mental illness.

But it can be. It probably happens more than what we know . Those who aren't newsworthy by fame or other noteriarties may not be reported. Remember Shanaan Gilberts mother Mari was stabbed to death by her daughter Sarra who suffered from schizophrenia. By the way, Sarra got sentenced to prison for 25 years not an institution. Sister Heard Voices Before Fatally Stabbing Mom, Whose Other Daughter Was Found Near Mass Grave: Attorney - IMDb

 

[Hexe]

But it can be

No. Mentally ill people can and do murder others, sure. But that does not make a brutal murder a symptom or evidence of mental illness. Legally sane people commit murders way often than these mentally ill.

 

[lohrtabitha]

No. Mentally ill people can and do murder others, sure. But that does not make a brutal murder a symptom or evidence of mental illness. Legally sane people commit murders way often than these mentally ill.

Of course. That is why I wrote it can be with mention of the Gilbert case. Sarra suffered mental illness and brutally stabbed her mother to death. When I think of the all the homeless in places like LA, NY, New Orleans, many suffer from mental illness and some do committ murder. We just dont hear about it all the time because their stories aren't newsworthy according to media. Imo

 

[libraryg]

Haha, can you imagine a film made by Nick, without Rob directing, managing the whole thing?
The fact that “ Being Charlie” was such a huge flop( with Rob’s complete handholding), can you imagine a film made by Nick as an independent filmmaker?

Maybe, when high as a kite, in a grandiose moment of his addiction, Nick thought he could be successful in film ( pipe dream). No way he could make a credible film independently, when so high, and unfocused, all the time.

Nick was brought up in Hollywood, so maybe, he thought a film career would be the “ easier” path for him in life. My translation: he could “work”, and continue to use drugs.

Even Rob seemed to still hold out hope that Nick would get it together, join the family path in the movie business. Maybe just Rob’s desperation, and a bit of wishful thinking, on Rob’s part, trying to help his son, in the best way he knew how.

We know Nick felt dwarfed by his famous family and the movie business. It seems, he “ gave up”, took drugs to cover his own perceived shame. Also, his mental health issues, may have made him feel depressed, insecure, not up to the task. Over time, Nick realized, the film biz was never going to happen for him, he probably felt defeated. Led to a downward spiral.
MOO

Grandiosity and self delusion are hallmarks of addiction. The user is the center of the universe and star of their own mind film 24/7/365. The mindset and narcissism are quite like sociopathy/psychopathy.

 

[libraryg]

I don't think he snapped. I think he was angry because his parents wanted him to straighten out, and he didn't feel like it.

I think there's no question that Nick has mental health problems, but he has had access to professionals, with family support, to address those problems for 17 years. The choice to murder his parents was not triggered by something that happened shortly before the murders. His choice to fight a healthy lifestyle was made again and again for 17 years.

He was repeatedly warned that his drug abuse and lifestyle choices would result in death. He knew that this would happen eventually, but he did nothing to change this predicted outcome.

Take away the drugs, let him think about strategies that he learned over the past 17 years to cope with his anger. Start fresh with a new diagnosis for the cause of his anger.

Deep down he knows he is a loser and likely hates himself. He used that hatred like a battering ram on Rob and Michelle.

 

[gremlin444]

All you have to do is tell your doctor you are feeling like you might hurt yourself or someone else and in you go. Wait in hospital for a bed in a mental health facility, can be days, then driven in ambulance sometimes far away to an empty bed in a mental ward.

I have a heck of a lot of experience dealing with this situation with a loved one. I live right next to Chicago, so an area with lots of big hospital and mental health inpatient floors, etc.

There are SO few inpatient beds available and so many people who need them.

With my son, the ONLY time he got a bed directly was when he started with a new psychiatrist and that psych worked and taught at a major hospital (in addition to his private practice), so he had direct admit privileges and had all the connections/right people to call to make it happen. And we were lucky that the nurses there knew they had a patient discharging that day and were ordered by this doctor to hold the bed for our son (and that they actually did).

Every other time, it was sitting in the ER for days, once or twice getting admitted somewhere else, and several times just being let go.

If at any point while you are sitting in a hospital ER waiting for a bed you change your mind and are able to act normal enough to convince them that you are no longer in immediate danger, you will often be discharged with strong referrals to their outpatient psych PHP programs/clinics (but which you are NOT required to follow through on and it's rare that you get a follow up call). And when you've been sitting there for 12+ hours, and the hospital is busy and full, there's no available bed in 30 mile radius, and you have been given something to help you calm down in the meantime, that's not hard to achieve.

I wish it was "all you have to do." But the reality is, that it is not in most places/many circumstances because of the huge strain on mental health care services and the amount of ppl who need them. Factor in insurance companies and their restrictions, and you have a whole other tangle of limitations.

There aren't enough beds for the people who want/and or need them.

And that's just the situation for adults....don't even get me started on services for teenagers.

 

[libraryg]

There is an odd fixation on Nick as a 15 year old. Perhaps it's easier to explain Nick's actions in the context of a 15 year old "drug abuser" with "mental illness", than to accept that a 32 year old bored, unemployed, angry man decided to murder his parents.

At the age of 22, in 2015, Nick co-wrote and produced a film. In 2016 he was doing the media circuit promoting that film.

We know that he was living in the guest house in mid-November 2025 when Barry Markowitz visited the family for 5 days. Life was normal, and Nick was part of every day life at home. Nick was not rude, or acting stupid.

On the night of the murders, Nick was probably stoned. That's the only reasonable explanation for his rude, obnoxious behaviour. He got angry, he couldn't control his anger, and he murdered his parents.

From very personal experience, when an addict starts using, their emotional growth stops at that age. Nick is indeed stuck at age 15.

 

[libraryg]

those angry outbursts are not caused by drug abuse? exactly, they're caused by mental illness and possibly negative reactions with psychiatric drugs and/or illegal drugs

IMO he's mentally ill and has been since childhood and that it contributed to his not being able to control his 'angry outbursts'

he has the emotional immaturity of a 15 year old, which is when he began abusing drugs.

 

[BUF]

An interesting read….

He was sentenced to death. Rob and Michele Reiner loved him like a son.

Nanon Williams was sent to death row for a murder he says he didn't commit. Decades later, through daily emails and weekly prison calls, the Reiners became family.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[simlyme]

An interesting read….

He was sentenced to death. Rob and Michele Reiner loved him like a son.

Nanon Williams was sent to death row for a murder he says he didn't commit. Decades later, through daily emails and weekly prison calls, the Reiners became family.

www.nbcnews.com

Just WOW ! So much pain in so many !

 

[Dotta]

"Nick Reiner taken off suicide watch​

ahead of hearing on double murder of his parents.​

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008559339942948923

He remains in solitary confinement at the Twin Towers Correctional Facility.

Nick will remain in High Observation Housing
pending a court order mandating otherwise,
and he will be observed and kept isolated at all times,
officials said.

Nick is slated to be arraigned on Wednesday
at the Los Angeles Superior Court Stanley Mosk Courthouse."

 

[tlcya]

All you have to do is tell your doctor you are feeling like you might hurt yourself or someone else and in you go. Wait in hospital for a bed in a mental health facility, can be days, then driven in ambulance sometimes far away to an empty bed in a mental ward.

yes, but that means it is dependent upon the person who needs hospitalization being honest and stating they want to self harm or harm others and IME that doesn't happen. People in active psychosis often lack the requisite insight and the capacity to accurately describe their symptoms to LE or medical professionals.

 

[BUF]

According to the LA Superior Court website, he is still scheduled to appear tomorrow Jan 7 @ 8:30 for Arraignment and Plea in the Clara Shortridge Foltz Criminal Justice Center

LA Court
Case # 25CJCF08098

 

[Jade]

he has the emotional immaturity of a 15 year old, which is when he began abusing drugs.

What horror of a 15 year old is that kind of immature?

Obviously NR never had a “normal” life because of his mental issues.

Evidenced by no stories of past girlfriends, pictures from school teams or clubs really any antidotes of “normal” life through the years.

A druggy spoiled brat still has positive life experiences and can function within their spoiled realm.

NR from an early age wasn’t able to parlay his assets into even a counterculture world because of his mental disorder.



all imo