CA CA - Newark "Mowry Ave Jane Doe" WhtFem UP53306 <40, Oct 85

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LAMAR, Mo. (KOAM) - A 1985 California homicide victim who remains unidentified is now linked to the 4-State area.

The Lamar Police Department states the Newark, California Police Department reached out to them saying DNA genealogy testing links the victim to the Lamar area.



The Lamar Police Department has been asked to share this information locally in hopes that someone may know something.

If anyone has any information about the adoption or the identity of the victim, please reach out to the Newark Police Department at 501-578-4956 or if you want to speak to someone locally feel free to contact the Lamar Police Department at 417-682-3546 and speak to Chief Joe Moore.

Victim in 1985 unsolved murder in California now linked to Lamar

A 1985 California homicide victim who remains unidentified is now linked to southwest Missouri.

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So if the victim is a descendant of Marian Marie Richardson, born in 1932, and the victim was likely born in the late 1940s, the victim has to be MMR's daughter, right? A daughter who was given up for adoption. Unfortunately those who knew MMR in the 40s are likely deceased, and a (probable) teen pregnancy at the time would likely have been shrouded in secrecy because of social stigma.

 

[AggieLou]

So if the victim is a descendant of Marian Marie Richardson, born in 1932, and the victim was likely born in the late 1940s, the victim has to be MMR's daughter, right? A daughter who was given up for adoption. Unfortunately those who knew MMR in the 40s are likely deceased, and a (probable) teen pregnancy at the time would likely have been shrouded in secrecy because of social stigma.

Another daughter of MMR was located in Texas and is a half sister to this Jane Doe. So there were 2 children given up. It's possible there are people who remember MMR, they could be younger. She lived there her whole life. I was born in the 40s and I'm not deceased. I'm about same age this Jane Doe would be. Why wasn't Lamar police contacted earlier. Hopefully something could be put in the local newspaper.

 

[Susikatze]

Another daughter of MMR was located in Texas and is a half sister to this Jane Doe. So there were 2 children given up. It's possible there are people who remember MMR, they could be younger. She lived there her whole life. I was born in the 40s and I'm not deceased. I'm about same age this Jane Doe would be. Why wasn't Lamar police contacted earlier. Hopefully something could be put in the local newspaper.

There must be some birth record of this girl, too.

 

[djanga]

There must be some birth record of this girl, too.

The half sister in Texas was born at a home for unwed mothers in Pilot Point, Texas in 1949, where Marie was sent from Missouri when she was pregnant. It is likely Jane Doe was born before the half sister, which could put her birth year 1945-early 1948. Marie married in 1950 and began a family, giving birth to a son in 1951 and then several other children thereafter. It is unknown what state and what year Marie gave birth to Jane Doe. All of Marie's siblings who may have had info are deceased. The half sister nor Marie's other children were ever aware that Jane Doe existed. In fact, the other children never knew that the half sister in Texas existed until the half sister found Marie and the biological family in 2003. I have been following this case but had not read about the missing teeth until today. The jewelry is also interesting, is it a number 69 or the cancer sign? And is the pink ring, light or dark pink? If it's a dark pink and is actually a Ruby which is the birthstone for July, perhaps the 69 IS a cancer symbol which would possibly make a birth month July? But then, is it hers or her child's? So many questions and so few clues....

Thats frustrastes me as well, there is a lot of information about the half-sister, we know when and where she was born, she was located and gave an interview, but there is nothing on our Jane Doe…

 

[Susikatze]

So my educated guess is that JD was born either in July 1947 or July 1946, MMR was 15 in 1947 and 14 in 1946 - both are awfully young but my gut feeling tells me we should look for July 1947. It was MMRs first pregnancy and she must have gotten pregnant at 14. I hope we are looking at "puppy love" turning serious and not abuse or rape. Surely, MMR was traumatized. But then she got pregnant again shortly after with her second daughter. Do we know who the second daughters father was? He was apparently not the father of JD since theyre only half sisters and he possibly also was not the man, MMR married in 1950.
And our JD was likely born Richardson like her mom. There should be a birth record of a baby girl Richardson with an unknown father in July 1947 somewhere.

 

[Susikatze]

I also guess our JD was transient or maybe homeless. If she was not on good terms with her adoptive family or kmown to be transient or if they were already deceased, nobody reported her missing.

Who are you, sweetheart? You may not have been wanted in life and may not have had a lot of luck, but you are very dear to all of us here.

 

[djanga]

According to the recent DDP Twitter/TikTok video they have also IDed her father, but he is deceased. They mentioned that she could have been born in TX, MO, KS or OK, circa late 1940s to early 1950s.

They know who is the father, but he is deceased

 

[AggieLou]

This Jane Doe and her sister were born right around the time frame of the end of WWII. My dad came home in Jan 1946... There were many children put up for adoption at this time as many fathers did not come home. There wasn't the level of social services we have today. Single mothers could not afford to support their children. Kids of all ages wound up in orphanages and put up for adoption. It was said her father has been identified also but is deceased. But it has not been said who he is that I've seen. I think this time period of her birth with so many displaced children is probably a factor in not having ID'd her yet. Wish we would get some details on her father.

 

[summergirl1]

Perhaps there are some clues on how to find info on her birth/adoption in the story of how the half sister found their mother in 2003?

 

[AggieLou]

Perhaps there are some clues on how to find info on her birth/adoption in the story of how the half sister found their mother in 2003?

Was there anything from the sister on how she found her mother? And her father. Wondering if there's any connections between the 2 different fathers to be investigated. I did some research on what was going on in the 1940s and 50s in adoptions and foster care. It's also possible they could have arranged adoption by themselves and filed the papers. It's possible she wasn't adopted and was placed in an orphanage or institution. Though less likely for this to happen with a newborn. There were more than 1000 orphanages across the country. Maybe adopted but later given up again and went into the system which was flooded with children of US families unable to care for them after WWII. Maybe she was then bounced around in foster care. In addition the US took in more immigrants than any other country, from people fleeing Germany and other European countries. This included unaccompanied children who went into the system, as well as other immigrant children whose families could not support them.
Maybe this situation at the time of JDs birth and early childhood is a factor in why it's so difficult to ID her.

Adoption History: Fostering and Foster Care

 

[AggieLou]

So my educated guess is that JD was born either in July 1947 or July 1946, MMR was 15 in 1947 and 14 in 1946 - both are awfully young but my gut feeling tells me we should look for July 1947. It was MMRs first pregnancy and she must have gotten pregnant at 14. I hope we are looking at "puppy love" turning serious and not abuse or rape. Surely, MMR was traumatized. But then she got pregnant again shortly after with her second daughter. Do we know who the second daughters father was? He was apparently not the father of JD since theyre only half sisters and he possibly also was not the man, MMR married in 1950.
And our JD was likely born Richardson like her mom. There should be a birth record of a baby girl Richardson with an unknown father in July 1947 somewhere.

I also think JD was likely born before her half sister who was born in 1949. MMR married in 1950 at only 18, already had 2 daughters, and her husband is not JDs father. Unless she was pregnant when she got married and they gave that child up as husband was not the father. MMRs maiden name was Helms I believe. So that would most likely be JDs mother's name on birth certificate.

 

[AggieLou]

Just looked at Lamar Police Department Facebook page and they have a flyer up with all of Jane Doe's Information. They are getting comments, if anyone wants to follow them.

 

[Jbetty567]

What do we think of this? Could Marian have been going by Mary? Her age (15) would fit for being born in 1932. It comports with what we think about Marian having a baby quite young... although this would rule out giving birth in July '47.

Mary Helms

Clipping found in Golden City Herald published in Golden City, Missouri on 8/7/1947. Mary Helms

www.newspapers.com

 

[Jbetty567]

Also, can someone point me to the source for Ruth Ellis reconnecting with her birth mom in 2003? I'd like to include that in my podcast but I need to verify it. TY!

 

[Susikatze]

What do we think of this? Could Marian have been going by Mary? Her age (15) would fit for being born in 1932. It comports with what we think about Marian having a baby quite young... although this would rule out giving birth in July '47.

Mary Helms

Clipping found in Golden City Herald published in Golden City, Missouri on 8/7/1947. Mary Helms

www.newspapers.com

I am quite sure it is the same person. She may have given birth in July 1947 and it was not mentioned in the article. She admitted to sexual misconduct with a boy "only once, but not more", that may be some hidden reference to her pregnancy.

 

[Susikatze]

Another possibility is that she was admitted to the correction home, ran away again or did not serve full sentence and got pregnant somewhere in fall 1947 and our JD was born in July 1948. When was the half sister born in 1949?

 

[AggieLou]

What do we think of this? Could Marian have been going by Mary? Her age (15) would fit for being born in 1932. It comports with what we think about Marian having a baby quite young... although this would rule out giving birth in July '47.

Mary Helms

Clipping found in Golden City Herald published in Golden City, Missouri on 8/7/1947. Mary Helms

www.newspapers.com

Great find. Wonder if investigating the Rev. Elrod and the Nazarene Church could turn up any useful info or publications such as any association with any charities that might deal with unwed girls or other similar type of charities. Or maybe search for her parents' names associated with the church or any other activities in that area and time frame.

 

[AggieLou]

Also, can someone point me to the source for Ruth Ellis reconnecting with her birth mom in 2003? I'd like to include that in my podcast but I need to verify it. TY!

Also Marie's twin that died at birth was named Mary. A screenshot attached from ancestry.com of all her parents' children. Also screenshot from where Ruth Ellis was born. That post is on page 5 here

 

[djanga]

Also, can someone point me to the source for Ruth Ellis reconnecting with her birth mom in 2003? I'd like to include that in my podcast but I need to verify it. TY!

Unsolved Jane Doe murder case reopened using rootless hair DNA | KTVU FOX 2

In 1985, a woman was found shot and killed in a field in Newark. To this day, no one knows who she is. Rootless hair DNA and drawings developed from pictures of her skull may provide the leads to help crack the case and ultimately find the killer.

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There is a video with an interview with the sister on the 4th minute, she tells her story

 

[beavt]

Marcia Arlen Fischer? She has the same pointy nose and long face that her half sister used as a description of herself and their bio mom. She has 7/1/46 birthdate fitting the ring theories surmising this Doe was a Cancer. Height and hair color match. Marcia was known to travel frequently, including to California:

Marcia Arlen Fischer​

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Fischer, circa 1982

• Missing Since03/01/1982
• Missing FromGilman, Wisconsin
• ClassificationEndangered Missing
• SexFemale
• RaceWhite
• Date of Birth07/01/1946 (78)
• Age37 years old
• Height and Weight5'6, 125 - 155 pounds
• Medical ConditionsFischer suffers from asthma. She also has a history of mental illness.
• Distinguishing CharacteristicsCaucasian female. Red hair, brown eyes. Fischer has a dog bite scar on the side of her face. She may use various spellings and combinations of names with "Arlen" in them.

Details of Disappearance​

Fischer was last seen in Gilman, Wisconsin sometime in the spring of 1982. She had lived with her brother in Madison, Wisconsin during the winter of 1981/1982, then went to Gilman and was picked up by state police. She has never been heard from again and may have traveled to Montana, Washington or Oregon after her disappearance.

Fischer has previously lived in Eau Claire, Wisconsin and in the Oregon cities of Sunny Valley, Grants Pass and Ashland. She was once hospitalized in Lakewood, Washington.

She has previously traveled to Los Angeles and Sacramento, California; Seattle and Port Townsend, Washington; Salt Lake City, Utah; Chicago, Evanston and Oak Park, Illinois; Columbus, Ohio; Washington D.C.; New York City; Fairmont, West Virginia; Ann Arbor, Michigan; Rochester, Minnesota; and Canada. She has been known to hitchhike and also travel by bus. Her case remains unsolved.