CA CA - Newark "Mowry Ave Jane Doe" WhtFem UP53306 <40, Oct 85

[Susikatze]

Marcia Arlen Fischer? She has the same pointy nose and long face that her half sister used as a description of herself and their bio mom. She has 7/1/46 birthdate fitting the ring theories surmising this Doe was a Cancer. Height and hair color match. Marcia was known to travel frequently, including to California:

Marcia Arlen Fischer​

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Fischer, circa 1982

• Missing Since03/01/1982
• Missing FromGilman, Wisconsin
• ClassificationEndangered Missing
• SexFemale
• RaceWhite
• Date of Birth07/01/1946 (78)
• Age37 years old
• Height and Weight5'6, 125 - 155 pounds
• Medical ConditionsFischer suffers from asthma. She also has a history of mental illness.
• Distinguishing CharacteristicsCaucasian female. Red hair, brown eyes. Fischer has a dog bite scar on the side of her face. She may use various spellings and combinations of names with "Arlen" in them.

Details of Disappearance​

Fischer was last seen in Gilman, Wisconsin sometime in the spring of 1982. She had lived with her brother in Madison, Wisconsin during the winter of 1981/1982, then went to Gilman and was picked up by state police. She has never been heard from again and may have traveled to Montana, Washington or Oregon after her disappearance.

Fischer has previously lived in Eau Claire, Wisconsin and in the Oregon cities of Sunny Valley, Grants Pass and Ashland. She was once hospitalized in Lakewood, Washington.

She has previously traveled to Los Angeles and Sacramento, California; Seattle and Port Townsend, Washington; Salt Lake City, Utah; Chicago, Evanston and Oak Park, Illinois; Columbus, Ohio; Washington D.C.; New York City; Fairmont, West Virginia; Ann Arbor, Michigan; Rochester, Minnesota; and Canada. She has been known to hitchhike and also travel by bus. Her case remains unsolved.

No reference to here being adopted.

 

[beavt]

No reference to here being adopted.

As has been mentioned throughout this thread, locating MMR’s records of having given birth have been futile. I don’t often see MP profiles that list whether they’re adopted or not. Certainly not a reason to rule Marcia out unless we know definitively that she wasn’t adopted.

 

[djanga]

Marcia has many rule outs in Namus. Do we know how Namus rules out possible matches with unidentified remains? There is a possibility her brother/mother submitted their DNA to law enforcement and it is in Codis so in this case she is not adopted, however they can also rule out by dental records I guess.

 

[AggieLou]

What about the missing teeth. I would think that would be reported if someone was trying to find her and reported her missing.

 

[beavt]

What about the missing teeth. I would think that would be reported if someone was trying to find her and reported her missing.

Who’s missing teeth? I don’t see that UID or MP has mention of missing teeth for either profile in NAMUS

 

[AggieLou]

Who’s missing teeth? I don’t see that UID or MP has mention of missing teeth for either profile in NAMUS

Post #70 on page 3 mentions it in description.

 

[beavt]

Post #70 on page 3 mentions it in description.

Ah, ok. I’m not sure it would be readily apparent or noted in a MP report as the gap was closed:
“Her bottom two front teeth were missing and are believed to have been missing for some time (possibly since childhood) as the other teeth had grown together to close the gap.”

 

[AggieLou]

Ah, ok. I’m not sure it would be readily apparent or noted in a MP report as the gap was closed:
“Her bottom two front teeth were missing and are believed to have been missing for some time (possibly since childhood) as the other teeth had grown together to close the gap.”

It feels like she could have had a difficult life even from early childhood, to me. I thought there might have been a slight gap that brought attention to it. But of course to a medical examiner it would be apparent on first looking in the mouth.

 

[Susikatze]

It feels like she could have had a difficult life even from early childhood, to me. I thought there might have been a slight gap that brought attention to it. But of course to a medical examiner it would be apparent on first looking in the mouth.

It is usually not noticeable. It is a genetic variation and the incisors are missing congenitally. Unless of course she lost them early for whatever reason but it is more common to be congenital.

 

[Susikatze]

Does the half sister have missing incisors as well?

 

[Susikatze]

The obit photo of her biological mom looks as if she is congenitally missing the 2nd set of incisors as well. Hard to see though and the teeth are likely dentures.
The find a grave entry of JD is weird and inaccurate, probably bot generated

 

[SunflowerKate]

Does the half sister have missing incisors as well?

The half sister does not have any missing incisors, not sure about Marie’s other children. Marie did have dentures. If JD’s other teeth had closed the gap, it might not have been noticeable to friends or family, therefore IF they reported her missing, they may not have mentioned her teeth.

Was Marie was pregnant when she was sent to the Chillicothe school as referenced in an above post with the attached news clipping in Aug 1947? If so, she could’ve given birth anytime from August 1947 to August 1948. If that’s the case, where did Chillicothe send the girls who were pregnant or did they give birth at the school?

 

[AggieLou]

Does the half sister have missing incisors as well?

I would think this has to be a recessive gene if it is congenital. So with at least 3 different fathers, maybe no other children of the mother have the trait. It may not have been known Marie had such a genetic recessive. The report stating JD's missing 2 front incisors just said missing for quite some time possibly from childhood. The genetic connection not mentioned. Does anyone know who JD's father is? They have found him but he's deceased. Maybe working from his side of the family could help. Or possibly his family was never informed of Marie's pregnancy.

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey everyone,

Just a quick note to let you all know that SunflowerKate has been verified through DNA as being related to this unidentified person known as Mowry Ave Jane Doe.

As a Verified WSer, SunflowerKate does not have to provide links to what she states about any inside information she may have in relation to this case. In all other respects, verified members are held to the same TOS as everyone else.

Thank you to SunflowerKate and all you other wonderful WSers who are here trying to find the answers to give this still unidentified person their name back.

Thank You. You All Rock !!

 

[AggieLou]

What do we think of this? Could Marian have been going by Mary? Her age (15) would fit for being born in 1932. It comports with what we think about Marian having a baby quite young... although this would rule out giving birth in July '47.

Mary Helms

Clipping found in Golden City Herald published in Golden City, Missouri on 8/7/1947. Mary Helms

www.newspapers.com

The article linked in the above post mentions Marie and parents were accompanied to court by a Nazarene minister. If she was found to be pregnant at the Chillicothe reformatory she was sent to, perhaps from there she was sent to a home for unwed pregnant girls. So I did some looking to see if Nazarene Church operated other homes as the home in Pilot Point TX where her half sister was born was operated by the Nazarene Church. I found an article with a pdf attachment naming a few. The link and a screenshot of a section from the pdf with names of other homes highlighted is attached. Maybe they would be worth looking in to for possible records of Marie giving birth.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.usacanadaregion.org/sites/usacanadaregion.org/files/Roots/Resources/Those%2520Early%2520Nazarenes%2520Cared%2520by%2520Fred%2520Parker.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjbjtSE8beKAxWHjIkEHdc2LZ0QFnoECBgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3xsUud0tbZHkFWtI1rofPP

 

[Melt71]

@SunflowerKate thank you for being here. We all hope this sad mystery can be solved soon.

 

[AggieLou]

According to the recent DDP Twitter/TikTok video they have also IDed her father, but he is deceased. They mentioned that she could have been born in TX, MO, KS or OK, circa late 1940s to early 1950s.

This post is over 2 years old. How did they arrive at the guess as to where JD may have been born? It coincides with the locations of the Nazarene homes. Now with the local newspaper article timeline and information in the article regarding a court hearing, this could narrow down a time to search birth records in those county locations of the Nazarene homes. MMR had been seen, and admitted to being with a group of boys as a runaway. It is a possibility that is when she became pregnant.
EDIT: Or was the reformatory in Chillicothe equipped to handle a pregnancy and delivery?

 

[djanga]

This post is over 2 years old. How did they arrive at the guess as to where JD may have been born? It coincides with the locations of the Nazarene homes. Now with the local newspaper article timeline and information in the article regarding a court hearing, this could narrow down a time to search birth records in those county locations of the Nazarene homes. MMR had been seen, and admitted to being with a group of boys as a runaway. It is a possibility that is when she became pregnant.
EDIT: Or was the reformatory in Chillicothe equipped to handle a pregnancy and delivery?

Are these records open? Can you check them or we can also write to the DDP with this findings

 

[AggieLou]

Are these records open? Can you check them or we can also write to the DDP with this findings

I think in Missouri you can check birth records in person at state offices, they are not on line. Some states have digitized their microfilm vital records. But not Missouri. Not sure which others have. But a fee may be involved.

 

[AggieLou]

Are these records open? Can you check them or we can also write to the DDP with this findings

I'm in Ohio, definitely can't go to Missouri or the other states. I'll look to see how to access the other state vital records. I'm not sure how to contact DDP. Would it help to send some of this info to the detective in Newark CA? His email is on the flyer.