CA - Off Duty Police Officer shoots man and parents after altercation in Costco, Corona, June 2019

[jjenny]

I'm just saying that a single pic is not representative of who a person is. And mentally disabled or mentally ill people can be deadly violent. There are witnesses who have said that this guy had a mohawk. That right There does not match the picture we have been shown. Not that there is anything wrong with sporting a mohawk. We don't even know what Mr. French's issues are. All we have is what a family member is saying. A family member who admits he doesn't know himself.

Witnesses can be wrong and are wrong a lot. I really doubt Mr. French had a mohawk. Maybe some guy shopping there completely unrelated to this incident had a mohawk.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

I'm sure that LE is taking precautions to guaranty the safety of the officer and his family from any vigilante attacks before releasing his name. I hope it happens soon and we find out more about what happened.

They could solve that problem by placing him under arrest. Instead, they're keeping his identity quiet so he has time to make his escape to an undisclosed location. If he were any other person who had committed a MURDER, he would be in jail. HE WASN'T EVEN ON DUTY OR WEARING A UNIFORM!! He was a private citizen at the time of the confrontation, and he should be treated as a Manslaughter Suspect!

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Witnesses can be wrong and are wrong a lot. I really doubt Mr. French had a mohawk. Maybe some guy shopping there completely unrelated to this incident had a mohawk.

The Cop was the one with the Mohawk. The reports I saw said that the person with the gun was the one with the mohawk. Surprised he didn't go all the way and just become a Skinhead.

 

[jjenny]

Cop with a mohawk? Don't they have rules on what officers' haircuts can be?

 

[Wagtales10]

Even if French had a mohawk that means absolutely nothing!!!!
A haircut does not mean a person is aggressive or anything. Its horrible to assume since he may have had a mohawk that he deserved this or that it's more likely he did anything to deserve it.

 

[Wagtales10]

I dont think a cop can have a mohawk per the LAPD guidelines below.
BUT, if he was a NON ‑ UNIFORMED CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE, then maybe

LAPD


605.24 HAIR STANDARDS-SWORN PLAINCLOTHES ASSIGNMENTS.

Plainclothes Assignment Sworn Employees. Plainclothes sworn employees shall maintain their hair so it presents a professional and businesslike appearance.

Male Employees. On‑duty sworn male employees in a plainclothes assignment shall keep their hair properly trimmed at all times. The hair shall be moderately tapered and shall not extend below the top of the shirt collar nor cover any portion of the ear.


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605.40 GROOMING STANDARDS NON ‑ UNIFORMED CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES. Contemporary hair and grooming standards are allowable as long as a neat appearance is maintained and styles do not constitute a safety hazard to the employee.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

California doesn't have stand your ground law. Which means if officer could safely retreat he should have done so. Now, I don't know if could or couldn't, but clearly shooting in a crowded store is extremely dangerous to bystanders. Also, it hasn't been reported that parents of the guy shot dead did anything to attack the officer, yet the officer shot them too. I bet if it were a regular citizen his behind would be sitting in jail right now.

"Off-duty police, like private citizens with firearm permits in California, are legally allowed to discharge their weapon in self-defense in the event of an imminent attack and if there is no ability to retreat from the situation, said Jody Armour, a law professor at USC."
Costco shooting: LAPD investigates off-duty officer who killed a man in crowded store

So do you think that the officer intended to shoot the parents who, as far as we know, did not participate in the alleged assault on the off-duty officer?

Or do you feel that he fired in a reckless manner?

If a person is legally justified in firing a gun in self defense and an innocent bystander is hit, is that always against the law no matter what the circumstances are?

 

[jjenny]

So do you think that the officer intended to shoot the parents who, as far as we know, did not participate in the alleged assault on the off-duty officer?

Or do you feel that he fired in a reckless manner?

If a person is legally justified in firing a gun in self defense and an innocent bystander is hit, is that always against the law no matter what the circumstances are?

I have no idea if he intended to shoot the parents or not. Not sure about your second question either.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

They could solve that problem by placing him under arrest. Instead, they're keeping his identity quiet so he has time to make his escape to an undisclosed location. If he were any other person who had committed a MURDER, he would be in jail. HE WASN'T EVEN ON DUTY OR WEARING A UNIFORM!! He was a private citizen at the time of the confrontation, and he should be treated as a Manslaughter Suspect!

What about the safety of his innocent family?

At this point we don't know that a crime has been committed so it's premature to demand an arrest. JMO

 

[Wagtales10]

What about the safety of his innocent family?

At this point we don't know that a crime has been committed so it's premature to demand an arrest. JMO

tbh, I think we know a crime occurred. But dont know by who

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I have no idea if he intended to shoot the parents or not. Not sure about your second question either.

Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure either. Not enough facts yet. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

tbh, I think we know a crime occurred. But dont know by who

Yes. The deceased can't be arrested though. JMO

 

[SuziQ]

The Cop was the one with the Mohawk. The reports I saw said that the person with the gun was the one with the mohawk. Surprised he didn't go all the way and just become a Skinhead.

Well that is...different. I'll be honest and say I can't wait to hear the rest of the story.

Do you have a link?

 

[jjenny]

What about the safety of his innocent family?

At this point we don't know that a crime has been committed so it's premature to demand an arrest. JMO

I do believe if it were a regular citizen, he would have been arrested and then he could try self-defense arguments, especially considering this happened in California. California is not big on self-defense arguments-it isn't Florida.

 

[SuziQ]

Even if French had a mohawk that means absolutely nothing!!!!
A haircut does not mean a person is aggressive or anything. Its horrible to assume since he may have had a mohawk that he deserved this or that it's more likely he did anything to deserve it.

If you reread my post, I said there is nothing wrong with sporting a mohawk. And my point was that it is different than the picture presented. Don't twist my words.

 

[SuziQ]

I do believe if it were a regular citizen, he would have been arrested and then he could try self-defense arguments, especially considering this happened in California. California is not big on self-defense arguments-it isn't Florida.

Usually it's the other way around, usually. The DA screens for charges and if brought, there is an arrest.

 

[jjenny]

Usually it's the other way around, usually. The DA screens for charges and if brought, there is an arrest.

You are saying that if a regular citizen shot 3 people at Costco, police would have just let him go on his merry way? How many times have you seen that happen with mass shootings?

 

[Wagtales10]

I'm just saying that a single pic is not representative of who a person is. And mentally disabled or mentally ill people can be deadly violent. There are witnesses who have said that this guy had a mohawk. That right There does not match the picture we have been shown. Not that there is anything wrong with sporting a mohawk. We don't even know what Mr. French's issues are. All we have is what a family member is saying. A family member who admits he doesn't know himself.

BBM - I took that as inferring that having a mohawk would contradict him being described as gentle.

I apologize if that is not what you meant, I just read it that way.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

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We don't know if French was armed with a weapon or not yet.

Authorities did not respond Monday to requests for more information about what immediately preceded the shooting and whether anyone but the officer had a weapon.

California police look to video after deadly Costco shooting

 

[Wagtales10]

I have no idea if he intended to shoot the parents or not. Not sure about your second question either.

6-7 shots has me leaning that he shot to kill everyone. If he didnt, he unloaded 6-7 into one mentally handicapped man and that is 6-7 too many.