CA - Pacific Palisades - 30,000 People Ordered to Evacuate From L.A. Wildfires #2

[Herat]

Salt water is also kind of a last resort thing, for a variety of reasons.

MOO

A friend of mine who does some work with firefighter suppliers tells me that salt water drops will just kill all the landscaping, the grass, the plantings and people complain a lot about that (even though their homes were saved). They really don't want to use ocean salt water unless it's a last resort.

 

[slowpoke]

Saw a geographical visual of how Santa Ana winds occur.

Mountain wave plus Santa Ana winds are fueling southern California fires

Santa Ana winds and a mountain wave are fueling wildfires in southern California.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[amandab]

A friend of mine who does some work with firefighter suppliers tells me that salt water drops will just kill all the landscaping, the grass, the plantings and people complain a lot about that (even though their homes were saved). They really don't want to use ocean salt water unless it's a last resort.

I wonder at what point they see themselves in a "last resort" situation? Because I'd've thought they were nearly there by now.

 

[slowpoke]

A friend of mine who does some work with firefighter suppliers tells me that salt water drops will just kill all the landscaping, the grass, the plantings and people complain a lot about that (even though their homes were saved). They really don't want to use ocean salt water unless it's a last resort.

Salt water is very corrosive, too, so it would be damaging to the water dropping planes and copters. Even when my husband goes salt water fishing, I’ve observed that he carefully rinses all his rods and reels to keep them in working condition.
IMO

 

[Herat]

Salt water is very corrosive, too, so it would be damaging to the water dropping planes and copters. Even when my husband goes salt water fishing, I’ve observed that he carefully rinses all his rods and reels to keep them in working condition.
IMO

Oh, surely.

Excellent point. Salt water is very corrosive to metal

 

[iamshadow21]

I wonder at what point they see themselves in a "last resort" situation? Because I'd've thought they were nearly there by now.

They have been using it. There is footage of the super scoopers picking up water from the ocean.

 

[slowpoke]

I wonder at what point they see themselves in a "last resort" situation? Because I'd've thought they were nearly there by now.

“So, when the winds are calm enough, skilled pilots flying planes aptly named Super Scoopers are skimming off 1,500 gallons of seawater at a time and dumping it with high precision on the fires.

Using seawater to fight fires can sound like a simple solution – the Pacific Ocean has a seemingly endless supply of water. In emergencies like Southern California is facing, it’s often the only quick solution, though the operation can be risky amid ocean swells.”

Planes are dumping ocean water to fight the Los Angeles fires. Here's why using saltwater is typically a last resort

While the consequences of adding seawater to ecosystems are not yet well understood, we can gain insights on what to expect by considering the effects of sea-level rise.

www.pbs.org

I note it says “when the winds are calm enough” (which we know it wasn’t), and the size of the ocean swells is a factor (I don’t know how the swells were, but maybe they were not feasible).

IMO

 

[DS2021]

Auto fire is 100 percent contained!

California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection | CAL FIRE

www.fire.ca.gov

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Its back down to zero again

Auto Fire | CAL FIRE

www.fire.ca.gov

 

[DS2021]

If you look at these reports, it goes from 0 at 554 am to 100 at 8am, and then zero at 826.

Im assuming the 8am update was erroneous

Auto Fire Status Update Reports | CAL FIRE

www.fire.ca.gov

 

[Herat]

I wonder at what point they see themselves in a "last resort" situation? Because I'd've thought they were nearly there by now.

Oh, they were there the first day of the Palisades Fires, I'm sure.

 

[mickey2942]

None of the looters lived even close to the areas of the fires.

Looters who robbed homes during LA fires seen in mugshots

A gallery of shame shows the people accused of taking advantage of the deadly carnage by thieving possessions from evacuated structures in the ritzy LA enclave.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Herat]

If you look at these reports, it goes from 0 at 554 am to 100 at 8am, and then zero at 826.

Im assuming the 8am update was erroneous

Auto Fire Status Update Reports | CAL FIRE

www.fire.ca.gov

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Watch Duty has it back to 100%.

That is reasonable for the small size, accessible location, and amount of resources expended.

 

[PrairieWind]

“So, when the winds are calm enough, skilled pilots flying planes aptly named Super Scoopers are skimming off 1,500 gallons of seawater at a time and dumping it with high precision on the fires.

Using seawater to fight fires can sound like a simple solution – the Pacific Ocean has a seemingly endless supply of water. In emergencies like Southern California is facing, it’s often the only quick solution, though the operation can be risky amid ocean swells.”

Planes are dumping ocean water to fight the Los Angeles fires. Here's why using saltwater is typically a last resort

While the consequences of adding seawater to ecosystems are not yet well understood, we can gain insights on what to expect by considering the effects of sea-level rise.

www.pbs.org

I note it says “when the winds are calm enough” (which we know it wasn’t), and the size of the ocean swells is a factor (I don’t know how the swells were, but maybe they were not feasible).

IMO

I had just seen a similar article, so I think we have indeed reached the "last resort" point.

 

[DS2021]

Watch Duty has it back to 100%.

They are citing Cal fire, which now says 0 percent

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin


Red flag warning in place in Los Angeles.80-85% chance of new fire.
I’m here standing by in staging area near the Palisades.
Rented a pickup truck for easier star link access right in the back.
Testing out how well it works while moving.
Will be live on @NewsNation.



12:44 PM · Jan 14, 2025

 

[Skigh]

None of the looters lived even close to the areas of the fires.

Looters who robbed homes during LA fires seen in mugshots

A gallery of shame shows the people accused of taking advantage of the deadly carnage by thieving possessions from evacuated structures in the ritzy LA enclave.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I really hope they do face the full face of the law. Absolutely despicable people.

 

[LaborDayRN]

This is fascinating - and thank you for the extra detail. I hadn't seen the part about the burn scar. The two guys who led authorities to this site have been on SM.

Smoldering roots is how it's being referred to in MSM, as one of the hypotheses.

This sparked the usual conversation at my house (get rid of all sales of fireworks and invest money in drone task forces to find firework law violators).

It was the most massive year of fireworks that I can ever remember, this year. And they are of course illegal - and the places that do have the drone tax forces had way fewer fireworks. There are still nearby locales (to Los Angeles) where selling fireworks is legal. The entire state should ban all of them.

Gosh, I sound old and cranky there - but it's been tough watching things burn this week.

I'm with you 100%. Fireworks should absolutely be banned in So Cal.

 

[mickey2942]

I'm with you 100%. Fireworks should absolutely be banned in So Cal.

You will probably appreciate this as a nurse. I felt that fireworks were partially the reason why I had a job in Special Education. Vision issues, hearing loss, loss of fingers, brain damage...on and on. Really sad that no one realizes this, until after the fact.

I also think that Fourth of July fireworks should pretty much be banned in the Intermountain west, just too dry in the summer, and too much risk of forest fires.

 

[Cryptic]

I can't speak for your location, but our fires caused their own weather. Literally a firestorm of winds 75 mph which we do not ever have. All caused by the fire itself. Could this be what is occurring?

Yes, I think so- at least in some areas.

Going history nerd....

Perhaps the most questionable allied tactic of WWII was deliberately attempting to create "fire storms" in select German and Japanese cities. With the goal of destroying the entire city, the attacks were planned for favorable meterological conditions. The bombers were loaded with special incendiary bombs that could not be put out with water.

When everything was optimal / or "optimal" 1000(+) allied heavy bombers overwhelmed air defenses and wave after wave bombed the cities of Dresden, Hamburg and Tokyo. The deaths in each city were on par with the atomic bombs.

As you suspected the growing fires merged into a super fire which then led to "Fire Storms" with extremely high winds. Survivors and rescuers told tales of super winds dragging people into burning buildings, fleeing people over come by fire while running, and finding deep shelters full of dead as the fire storm had sucked the air from their lungs.

So..... I think the same thing "fire storms" could be happening in some instances in SOCAL- thankfully minus the tens of thousands of deaths.

In defense of the allies..... the Germans had also fantasized about cataclysmic bombing. After a "live rehearsal" raid against Rotterdam, the Germans were ready to create their own version of the apocalypse in the UK. But.... with light bombers in relatively small numbers, active air defense, and stone buildings, the Germans could never come close to creating fire storms.

 

[JennieM]

4m ago
Los Angeles and parts of Ventura County to the north are under “extreme fire risk” warnings through Wednesday.

Officials are warning there is a “significant risk of rapid fire spread” due to the Santa Ana winds, which are gusting up to 75 mph, combined with low humidity.

The “particularly dangerous weather situation” designation is used very rarely, and was designed by meteorologists to signal “the extreme of the extremes”.

Death toll rises to 25 amid new Los Angeles warnings and thousands still under evacuation orders – as it happened

Firefighters expect difficult and treacherous day as red flag warning forecasts winds of up to 75mph

www.theguardian.com