CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[IWannaKnow]

He had to pick the dog up, right? Didn't he return to Arizona the next day? If so, he had to pick up the dog before he went back. Who would be there to take care of Ocean?

Could have left him at Camp Diggity Dog.

 

[scorekeeper]

If AS was at the mansion, did he also receive a phone call about MS's change in condition? Did he go to hospital then?

If not, LE said during the PC that JS did not know if they had that type of rope at the mansion....LE said there was a 'blank' space on a shelve in the garage that they believed the rope came from.....did AS hear RN in the garage????

RN retrieved the voicemail at 12:50....the initial report of loud music was around 1 or 1:30????

AS had to hear something.......but for some reason RN gagged herself to not make any noise....

 

[MyBelle]

BBM
Exactly. That is what is so interesting about the Z family attorney spouting this planking accident theory. The only source of that information left is the 13 yr old witness. But she was supposedly in the shower. So where did that story come from?

And why the sudden addition of the S siblings being in the home now too? What is the purpose of that ? The only reason I can think of is to cast some kind of suspicion upon them. imoo

The only reason I can think of is to cast suspicion so that JS will pay her to shut-up. That might backfire badly because the re-enactment illustration by LE does not support planking. JMO

 

[arielilane]

I was so glad to hear Dr. Wecht's thoughts on this case. I had hoped he would as I highly respect his professional opinion. This is extraordinary news.


Pathologist Cyril Wecht reviewed Zahua's entire autopsy report, obtained Friday by News 8.
"She has subgaleal hemorrhages; those are hemorrhages on the undersurface of the scalp. I see no reason why she should have those." Dr. Wecht said. "You get those when your head strikes something or is struck by something."
Wecht said the scenario described by investigators where Zahau used a rope to tie her own hands, feet and neck before rolling off the balcony of her boyfriend's Coronado mansion leaves many unanswered questions.
"Even if (her) scalp hit bushes, that kind of impact would not produce subgaleal hemorrhage," Wecht said. "We're talking about contusions on the top of the head. So, even as the body is falling down – let's say there are branches – how do you get bruises on the top of the head as the body is falling vertically downward?"
The autopsy report describes four hemorrhaging injuries under Zahau's scalp:

"I don't have enough to come right out and say this is a homicide. As a medical examiner, as a coroner, in my opinion the manner of death should have been left as undetermined. Sometimes we can't be sure and sometimes you leave it as undetermined because more investigation is to be conducted," Wecht said.
Wecht said Zahau's head injuries – which caused bleeding underneath her scalp – would have occurred while she was still alive or in the minutes shortly after her death. He said it is impossible to determine whether Zahau's head trauma would have rendered her unconscious.
"A blow or blows sufficient to produce subgaleal, subscalpular hemorrhage could be sufficient for someone to be knocked out, just temporarily, not to produce any damage to the brain, not to cause any prolonged unconsciousness; but one cannot say," Dr. Wecht said. "There are clearly (indications) of some kind of blunt force trauma. So, for someone to say there is no evidence whatsoever of any kind of a struggle is not correct."
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

 

[Steely Dan]

Even if several inches are added to account for the rope being taut when Rebecca was cut down, the end of the rope still seems too high to reach, IMO.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rzbalcony.jpg

I didn't post the pic because it would blow the margins.

I resized it;

While I agree that might be Bremner's goal, it ain't gonna happen, imo. Nothing is similar to the OJ case. JS has not been charged with murder and LE says they have accounted for his location at TOD that has been ruled a suicide.

I don't see any Judge allowing a wrongful death case to proceed when it is a suicide and JS was nowhere near it plus there is no evidence he even spoke to her.

I'm wondering if this wasn't a professional job, but if it was, it was done in a way that left a lot of questions.

I have thought of a similar scenario. 13 yr olds and 6 yr olds can get on each others nerves. What if they were goofing around or bickering or running and rough housing and an accidental push created a tragic accident?

When my son was 6 and my niece was 13 they used to play fight a lot. My son liked to take her things and run. He would take her little purse and run away giggling and she would get mad and chase him and wrestle it back.

That made me wonder if little Max was doing mischievous things like that and that is why he was running down that hall so fast. :rose:

It could have been a dare too. "I bet you can't jump from the bannister and swing from the chandelier to the other steps."

 

[Quester]

The only reason I can think of is to cast suspicion so that JS will pay her to shut-up. That might backfire badly because the re-enactment illustration by LE does not support planking. JMO

Why are you expressing such venom toward Ms. B?

 

[MyBelle]

No 100% sure if this applies, but wrongful death can be negligence, not providing a safe place for someone who is distraught or if he contributed to her deteriorating mental state.

California Court Permits Wrongful Death Action for Suicide Resulting From Tortious Infliction of Mental State

http://www.jstor.org/pss/1120147

It doesn't apply to this case. Her sister has denied RN was in a deteriorating mental state. It would be absurd for her sister to claim homicide and then turn around and sue JS for a suicide. I think it would literally be laughed out of court. JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Why are you expressing such venom toward Ms. B?

Her actions disgust me. I don't like lawyers who try to profit from and exploit tragedies in the media. Especially when deaths of children are part of the equation. JMO.

 

[katydid23]

I didnt know that about the cuts on the 13 yr old...very interesting. Would they blame RN for something her 13 yr old sister may have done?? Remember the being in the bathroom was what was told to the police, no one knows except the 13 year old, the truth. Has it been officially confirmed that it was RN's sister in the house??? At the beginning there was no one else, then it was his sister, then it was 2 teens, and what happened to her? At first we were told it was his sister that called 911 and then she was removed very quickly from the home.

That whole thing has been very murky. I remember we first thought it was GS, and the neighbor boys said that GS that was there but left before the EMT's arrived. I remember very clearly reading that because my son is an EMT and I found it very odd. But I googled and have not been able to find it anywhere now so ?

Then we were told it was RN's niece and or sister. I have seen both written in articles so I am still uncertain which it is. But when RN spoke to the animal boarder she told him her 'daughter' had been hurt in the accident as well. So either he misheard or she misspoke... or maybe GS WAS there at the time?

I just find it odd that an attorney would make such bold assertions about minors in 2 death investigations if it were not true. I mean that if their flight home left at 10 am that day then Bremner would not make such a statement, imo. The only way she would say this stuff publicly is if it were a possibility they were there at the time of the accident.

 

[branwynbreeze]

It doesn't apply to this case. Her sister has denied RN was in a deteriorating mental state. It would be absurd for her sister to claim homicide and then turn around and sue JS for a suicide. I think it would literally be laughed out of court. JMO

You're more than welcome for your opinion, however I respectfully disagree about being laughed out of court. What was that message she received that was erased?

 

[scorekeeper]

http://www.examiner.com/news-analys...death-of-rebecca-zahau-picture#slide=37073066

look at the picture of the door......

why is there orange rope in that picture??????? It looks like it is tied to the knob on the inside of the door........

 

[Quester]

Her actions disgust me. I don't like lawyers who try to profit from and exploit tragedies in the media. Especially when deaths of children are part of the equation. JMO.

I'm not so sure that's what she's doing ... yet.

These two cases don't seem to be vault closed yet so it's too early to jump to your conclusions - of course, in my opinion.

 

[MyBelle]

Could have left him at Camp Diggity Dog. He could afford it.

No mention anywhere that he couldn't afford it. Reports were that he picked up the dog and returned to his AZ home which was also the dog's home. No surprise there, imo.

 

[SunnieRN]

I do not really feel that subdural he aromas could be caused by plants/trees, or by hitting the wall, as they were on top of her head, not on the side. This had to be from her being hurt.

So far this is ruled a suicide, but, she has wounds to the top of her head, a t-shirt wrapped around her neck, stuffed in to her mouth and tape residue on her legs.

These along with all the other unusual findings, should have at least entitled Rebecca to a more thorough investigation of how she died.

Who is now leaking information and reports, that were not even available as late as Thursday?

The wiki article on hangings that I Wonna Know, posted is excellent! In the hanging victims I have seen, all suicide attempts by the way, did not have broken necks, but had been without oxygen long enough that they were brain dead. I am sure it depends upon the knot and where it is placed.

Who will lose or gain if this is investigated more thoroughly?

As for who was there, I do not believe that the whole truth is known. I remember the statement during the PC, that 'someone close to Rebecca' was there, but IMHO, that could include any of JS children.

There are too many questions that deserve answers, before stating that someone took their own life.

I will look forward to hearing more revelations, as I think it is very telling, how many bombshells have come out since the PC!

 

[katydid23]

Why are you expressing such venom toward Ms. B?

Personally, I detest her because of the bogus krap she spewed in defense of Casey Anthony. She was a talking head for the defense team and repeated those vile accusations against George, just for her paycheck. imoo

 

[Steely Dan]

Her actions disgust me. I don't like lawyers who try to profit from and exploit tragedies in the media. Especially when deaths of children are part of the equation. JMO.

I sort of agree with that, but there are a lot of questions here. She may not be handling it completely right but she's doing something someone has to do. JMO

IMO, the child's death is 90% probable accident. Her death seems to me to be 90% homicide. There is so much the PD left out of the press conference that I have to believe it was on purpose because the other stuff definitely points to murder.

I will say that the more we discuss this I'm very slowly starting to think there is a remote possibility of suicide.

 

[arielilane]

Isn't it safe to assume that RZ was hogtied because she was found with her legs bent. Rigor mortis sets after 2 hours or so after death. just sayin'.

 

[arielilane]

It may not have been planking (probably wasn't). Just simply running, playing in that area and attempting to slide on the railing as another poster mentioned (like children do) is possible. A tragic accident that was no one's fault.

 

[Steely Dan]

http://www.examiner.com/news-analys...death-of-rebecca-zahau-picture#slide=37073066

look at the picture of the door......

why is there orange rope in that picture??????? It looks like it is tied to the knob on the inside of the door........

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/de...sh/c7/59/c759d542bad839454dbb86a04cbb6011.jpg

If it's been ruled a suicide why would they blank out the message. Supposedly it doesn't contain any vulgarity.

I do not really feel that subdural he aromas could be caused by plants/trees, or by hitting the wall, as they were on top of her head, not on the side. This had to be from her being hurt.

So far this is ruled a suicide, but, she has wounds to the top of her head, a t-shirt wrapped around her neck, stuffed in to her mouth and tape residue on her legs.

These along with all the other unusual findings, should have at least entitled Rebecca to a more thorough investigation of how she died.

Who is now leaking information and reports, that were not even available as late as Thursday?

The wiki article on hangings that I Wonna Know, posted is excellent! In the hanging victims I have seen, all suicide attempts by the way, did not have broken necks, but had been without oxygen long enough that they were brain dead. I am sure it depends upon the knot and where it is placed.

Who will lose or gain if this is investigated more thoroughly?

As for who was there, I do not believe that the whole truth is known. I remember the statement during the PC, that 'someone close to Rebecca' was there, but IMHO, that could include any of JS children.

There are too many questions that deserve answers, before stating that someone took their own life.

I will look forward to hearing more revelations, as I think it is very telling, how many bombshells have come out since the PC!

Agreed.

I'm trying to come up with a theory that would explain either scenario without and ridiculous questions being left over and I can't right now.

 

[katydid23]

I do not really feel that subdural he aromas could be caused by plants/trees, or by hitting the wall, as they were on top of her head, not on the side. This had to be from her being hurt.

So far this is ruled a suicide, but, she has wounds to the top of her head, a t-shirt wrapped around her neck, stuffed in to her mouth and tape residue on her legs.

These along with all the other unusual findings, should have at least entitled Rebecca to a more thorough investigation of how she died.

Who is now leaking information and reports, that were not even available as late as Thursday?

The wiki article on hangings that I Wonna Know, posted is excellent! In the hanging victims I have seen, all suicide attempts by the way, did not have broken necks, but had been without oxygen long enough that they were brain dead. I am sure it depends upon the knot and where it is placed.

Who will lose or gain if this is investigated more thoroughly?

As for who was there, I do not believe that the whole truth is known. I remember the statement during the PC, that 'someone close to Rebecca' was there, but IMHO, that could include any of JS children.

There are too many questions that deserve answers, before stating that someone took their own life.

I will look forward to hearing more revelations, as I think it is very telling, how many bombshells have come out since the PC!

BBM
If you look at the picture of the balcony posted above, I think there are a few ways she could have hit the top of her head when she went over the balcony. She could have swung backwards and hit the metal braces. They would have been right on top of her head. Or she might have hit the top of her head on the bottom of the balcony if she was swinging and struggling at first. Even Dr Wecht admitted that it was still possible it was a suicide.

I do not think the tape residue is that damning. It is just an inch or so on each leg. that hardly seems like she was bound by a raging killer. It looks more like she taped her shins when she ran or worked out. imoo The t-shirt makes sense to me if she wanted it to look like a murder. Dr Wecht even puts that theory forward himself.