Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #7

[CalElliot]

I don't think that's quite what she meant. Just the wording. I heard it as hands together, feet together. And from the pictures, she's not "bent." She'd have to be if that were the case.

Could be read either way; meaning depends on intention of speaker. No way to know.

 

[Paladine]

I've had to stay away for the last 2 weeks. All this suicide talk in the media...well, I knew I just had to tune out. I searched for stories everyday, nonetheless, only to find one story quoting another story, quoting another story...all about suicide. It sickened me, to be quite frank.

Today, it seems confirmed, in my eyes...this quote cements it for me....I want a civil suit. I PRAY the family considers this possibility, along with a new autopsy. I know shes long gone...but pics, samples, whatever...this stinks.

“We her family and friends do not believe it’s a suicide. There are still unanswered questions,” Zahau’s sister, Mary Zahau-Loehner of Missouri, said in an email to the Union-Tribune Thursday.

The family has retained Seattle attorney Anne Brenmer who said relatives met with detectives on the case Wednesday and asked for further investigation.

Neil Nalepa, 36, of Scottsdale, Ariz., was married to Zahau for nine years. The couple separated in January 2010 and divorced this year.

“I don’t believe it was a suicide at all,” Nalepa said. He said his ex-wife, whom he met at a bible college in Austria, was a gentle, loving and religious person who would never take her own life.

“She would cry out to God for help if she were feeling sad,” Nalepa said.

He said he did not think investigators ever really considered homicide.

“I felt like they already chose where they were going - they just needed time to make everything fit,” Nalepa said. “They were never going to consider another option.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/01/coronado-mansion-death-investigation-results-be-re/

So, with that I step away until the presser...I might watch, it might just sicken me too much. I'm empathic, highly empathic...and this is too much.

I cannot imagine the pain of Rebecas family and friends, including her ex-husband...but my heart and my thoughts are with them. Seriously, with them.

ETA: and with you all here...sticking at it and posting for justice. Thanks for keepin' on keepin' on, friends...peace. :hug: I'll be back another day...soon. I will not forget Rebecca.

 

[infobabe]

You know, if this was a TV show, the LE and the investigators would be leaking the suicide theory, purposefully leading their suspect to think that he/she was safe and beyond suspicion.

Then they would spring their trap and the arrest would happen while the perp was sitting at home watching the news conference!

 

[sorrell skye]

Horwath would not reveal who she believes killed her sister, but she disputed the evidence the police told her family they used to determine Rebecca killed herself. “They do not have enough evidence to say it is a suicide, it is such a big lie,” Horwath alleged, noting that the family felt that there were many “holes” in their theories.

“Things they said did not match and they said they had a text message on her phone that showed that she was very unhappy, but they didn’t even say if it was from her or from someone else, or if someone could have put it there.”

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ca-zahau-was-murdered-not-suicide-says-sister

This is the first I've heard about about a text message.

 

[arielilane]

I will wait for the PowerPoint presentation (a first:waitasec and toxicology report. I just can't image that a female would commit suicide this way. Too bizarre. Unbelievable. Unimaginable. Unreal.

 

[arielilane]

Welcome back, Paladine. You were missed. I understand, however, I can't image the pain Rebecca's family is experiencing. I was glad to see her family obtain counsel.

 

[CalElliot]

Who benefits from suicide pronouncement:
JS: Clears name publicly and privately, keeps CEO position, $$$$ flows, life goes on.
AS: Clears name publicly and privately, keeps tugboat job, $ flows, life goes on.
GS: Clears name publicly and privately, life goes on; $$; father remains rich.
Elected and aspiring officials: $$$ No messy unsolved homicide messing up election campaigns.
Government agencies: $$ No law suits leveled at them that will break the bank.
PR firms: $$ Success at spin, keep clients.
Corporate board trustees: $$$ stock stabilizes, no messy probes into business dealings.
Big pharma: $$$ No messy probes into business dealings.
DS: Clears reputation publicly and privately, life goes on; $$ flows if has Medicis stock or interest in company; image as psychotherapist still undermined.

Who gains from successful homicide investigation:
RZ: Clears her reputation publicly and privately. $0
RZ family: Vindicates them and clears name of RZ publicly and privately, plus $$ if can file and win wrongful death suit.
Zahau family attorney: $$$ if settled out of court in Zahau family favor.
The public trust: if RZ indeed a victim. Priceless.

 

[CalElliot]

Who gains from successful homicide investigation:
RZ: Clears her reputation publicly and privately. $0
RZ family: Vindicates them and clears name of RZ publicly and privately, plus $$ if can file and win wrongful death suit.
Zahau family attorney: $$$ if settled out of court in Zahau family favor.
The public trust: if RZ indeed a victim. Priceless.

Actually, I would amend that to..

Who gains from a homicide investigation:
RZ: Keeps her memory alive; if successful, clears her reputation publicly and privately. $0
RZ family: Keeps RZ memory alive; if successful, vindicates them and clears name of RZ publicly and privately; $$ if can file and win wrongful death suit.
RZ family attorney: Press from high-profile case; $$$ if can win wrongful death suit or settle out of court in RZ family favor.
The public trust: if RZ indeed a victim. Priceless.

 

[Paladine]

The Zahau family's retaining of Anne Bremner an interesting choice. She has won lots of cases for LE, with specialty of police and government liability. I wonder that Bremner approached them on contingency basis, or they were referred (and if so, by whom).

The result of any case would likely be a sealed investigation and $$$ settlement out of court, in which instance the Big Question is, between whom?

http://annebremner.com/court_cases.html

That's all fine and dandy but what about public safety? IF this was not a suicide, there's a maniac running loose down there and just cause he/she may have money, and is willing to share, that obviously doesn't make the public any safer! I gotta go...but thanks for the update, Cal...I missed HLN. But...grrrr....

ETA: btw, Rebecca WAS a member of the public....like any one of us.

 

[branwynbreeze]

To me, just the elaborate hanging seems overly dramatic, not something one would do spur of moment. It seems out of character from what little we know. Also odd was no one has really spoken out on RZ behalf until now. Granted, her family gave a few statements pending outcome and seemed to put their faith in LE.

My head is spinning.

 

[Paladine]

I'm so tired of saying all the reasons I think it cannot be suicide my head hurts. Thread upon thread, we went over this...I give.

I just want to see their faces as they 'inform' us...and read then what I pick up from that because I highly doubt I'll buy half of what they'll be feeding us through words.

I pray I'm wrong...but I doubt it.

 

[time]

She implies she suspects a specific person. I wonder who.

I wonder too Jenny... we know it's not NN. Perhaps from what they said before they do not think it is JS? Or that changed? If not, that leaves 2 main witnesses or someone we aren't considering.

Gotta wonder if JS will say something after tomorrow's briefing, huh?

 

[time]

To me, just the elaborate hanging seems overly dramatic, not something one would do spur of moment. It seems out of character from what little we know. Also odd was no one has really spoken out on RZ behalf until now. Granted, her family gave a few statements pending outcome and seemed to put their faith in LE.

My head is spinning.

I'm betting LE wasn't giving them much information and they were probably just told recently of the ME's conclusion? We know earlier they said LE wasn't contacting them even though the news reports made it sound otherwise. I'm still very concerned about that. I think it's inexcusable, but also is there some reason LE wanted to keep them at bay? I'd be hopping mad if I were them and now thoroughly disgusted. It appears they not only think she would never do it, let alone in that way, but they are saying there are holes in their theory and they have a suspect. Maybe they hired a PI or maybe all along they had their suspicions?

 

[Carioca]

You know, if this was a TV show, the LE and the investigators would be leaking the suicide theory, purposefully leading their suspect to think that he/she was safe and beyond suspicion.

Then they would spring their trap and the arrest would happen while the perp was sitting at home watching the news conference!

Only if this were a perfect world. And oh how I wish this could be true. Instead I am confident we will be presented with PPT presentations, videos and graphics carefully orchestrated by JS' PR. While as my avatar Agatha would look only at the facts, this humble sleuther's heart is bleeding for Rebecca's family.

 

[sdcali]

You know, if this was a TV show, the LE and the investigators would be leaking the suicide theory, purposefully leading their suspect to think that he/she was safe and beyond suspicion.

Then they would spring their trap and the arrest would happen while the perp was sitting at home watching the news conference!

exactly.

 

[sdcali]

You know, if this was a TV show, the LE and the investigators would be leaking the suicide theory, purposefully leading their suspect to think that he/she was safe and beyond suspicion.

Then they would spring their trap and the arrest would happen while the perp was sitting at home watching the news conference!

Or relaxing poolside thinking they are safe from any suspiscion...

 

[sdcali]

I'm so tired of saying all the reasons I think it cannot be suicide my head hurts. Thread upon thread, we went over this...I give.

I just want to see their faces as they 'inform' us...and read then what I pick up from that because I highly doubt I'll buy half of what they'll be feeding us through words.

I pray I'm wrong...but I doubt it.

Better to make the wrong finding in the beginning and get the "bad guy" in the end, than pull an OJ and lose their chance forever....

 

[deanna82437]

I wonder too Jenny... we know it's not NN. Perhaps from what they said before they do not think it is JS? Or that changed? If not, that leaves 2 main witnesses or someone we aren't considering.

Gotta wonder if JS will say something after tomorrow's briefing, huh?

BBM
What did they (the family) say before? JS has said very little through this whole thing. Be interesting to see if he does say anything now.

 

[time]

BBM
What did they (the family) say before? JS has said very little through this whole thing. Be interesting to see if he does say anything now.

Take it for what it's worth and the source

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-Jonah-Shacknais-mansion-son-Max-6-dies.html

Miss Nalepa's brother-in-law Doug Loehner also issued a statement, defending her boyfriend. He said: 'Jonah is a stand-up guy. He was very devoted to Rebecca. She treated his kids as her own.'

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Can't find what his wife said now.

 

[deanna82437]

Take it for what it's worth and the source

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-Jonah-Shacknais-mansion-son-Max-6-dies.html

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Can't find what his wife said now.

Thanks for that link. I remember reading that before now. I wonder why a better picture of AS has not been used anywhere. Strange.