CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[justice be served]

Not necessarily illegal, but self-serving (i.e. serving their client's interests or their effective and zealous representation of them which would reflect back on their own abilities)? If the Zahau's representative has an agenda, what about JS's representative? One is condemned almost a priori because of a DWi, the other gets all benefits of the doubt. Lawyers and PR folk: cut from similar cloths in that they both wish to shape perceptions on behalf of their clients ( not to mention their rather oily and slick qualities.....)

Well said. And, heck, Pfingst (a top and high $ lawyer) showed up at the crime scene the very day Rebecca was found and he was representing "a family member" (read "S" family). Rebecca's family waited patiently with the expectation that law enforcement would find the truth and present an appropriately understood answer for them including well-documented evidence. So I wouldn't be denying the Zahau's now for finally getting an advocate for their rights. In fact, good for them!!

 

[katydid23]

Btemner explicitly said they are not drawing conclusions, but want LE to continue with a more thorough investigation; that the Zahau's are not satisfied with the investigation as it stands, closed and with many elements sealed or possibly not looked into. Considering their feelings of their and RN's having been neglected or given short shrift, I guess they felt it was high time tommake their wheels squeak a little. Is it the tone of an obnoxious attorney what gets your gourd? It's true: aggressive attorneys will rub folks the wrong way. They are contentious types by their very nature imo.

But why was Bremner attacking the S family older siblings by claiming they were at the scene of maxie's death, and claiming it was a planking accident? And what does that have to do with re-opening RN's death investigation?

Was she trying to implicate those kids in max's accident in some way?

 

[MyBelle]

But they don't know the family member committed suicide-in fact they don't believe it at all. They want investigation re-opened, they have not wanted it to be closed to begin with. I also don't believe they've asked not to disclose some of the info-if you are talking about RN's family, that is.

The family can always do their own investigation and if they can find more evidence of homicide, I'm betting it will be re-opened. But I don't know how they can get around the evidence of no shoe prints other than LE in the dust on that balcony.

JMO

 

[elementry]

I can't say because it isn't my daughter but even if it were, I know I wouldn't be using the media to make accusations

But you might feel compelled under certain circumstances to want more investigation? There certainly are circumstances galore that could use some more fleshing out imo. Sitrick's been using the media, but Zhau's family should not, even after they have felt short-shrifted after keeping totally mum for 7 weeks while patiently awaiting justice? It's a tool everyone ought to have the right to utilize, irrespective of the ruffled feathers or even relative wisdom of tactically going in that direction. In quiet requests to LE they got nowhere, it sounds like. The presentation on Friday ends with a "case closed and shut" summary declaration by LE. What should the Zahau family do at that point? Shut up and lay down?

 

[justice be served]

But you might feel compelled under certain circumstances to want more investigation? There certainly are circumstances galore that could use some more fleshing out imo. Sitrick's been using the media, but Zhau's family should not, even after they have felt short-shrifted after keeping totally mum for 7 weeks while patiently awaiting justice? It's a tool everyone ought to have the right to utilize, irrespective of the ruffled feathers or even relative wisdom of tactically going in that direction. In quiet requests to LE they got nowhere, it sounds like. The presentation on Friday ends with a "case closed and shut" summary declaration by LE. What should the Zahau family do at that point? Shut up and lay down?[/QUOTE]

BBM
Well, there you have it! Of course that is the expectation and that was certainly the demeanor of the LE presenters.

 

[sdcali]

On the press conference LE said the pieces of rope were all from the same rope.

Thank you!

The rope in the demonstration does not look like the rope in the photos (which is

IS the actual rope used). It was a similar color, but the rope in the photos appears stiffer, shinier and more rigid (as would be for a rope used for boating. IMO, it would not flip around and be so easy to manipulate and tie BY ONESELF.

 

[MyBelle]

Not necessarily illegal, but self-serving (i.e. serving their client's interests or their effective and zealous representation of them which would reflect back on their own abilities)? If the Zahau's representative has an agenda, what about JS's representative? One is condemned almost a priori because of a DWi, the other gets all benefits of the doubt. Lawyers and PR folk: cut from similar cloths in that they both wish to shape perceptions on behalf of their clients ( not to mention their rather oily and slick qualities.....)

JS's PR agency must act in accordance with the law and as far as I know, they are doing just that. Accusing a man's family of a crime when no crime has even been determined is a pretty slippery slope.

JMO

 

[sdcali]

Another pondering by me...

Out of suicides that involve bound hands --and feet for that matter--and that there is info available on, how many of them used this kind of elaborate pattern of wrapping as demonstrated in the video.

And how many of them had simple, rudimentary bindings --just get the job done and kill myself style...

IMO the bindings were skilled and whoever tied them took pride in their work.

 

[elementry]

But why was Bremner attacking the S family older siblings by claiming they were at the scene of maxie's death, and claiming it was a planking accident? And what does that have to do with re-opening RN's death investigation?

Was she trying to implicate those kids in max's accident in some way?

Maybe. Maybe also goading LE into clarifying some things. It's hard ball;maybe a tactical mistake; maybe a misstatement, purposeful or otherwise. LE has merely assumed things went a certain way and not another; they admitted they don't know precisely what transpired. They painted a theory and then concluded it must be so. So Bremner is floating an alternate assumption? It's known that planking is all the rage among youth today; very possible some of that was going on in the house with whatever undetermined numbers of kids in and out during the summer period. So is it possible MS was playing at this planking thing he'd been witnessing? In the end, he died of an accident is the working premise. A bit moot I suppose what the accident was but rather it happened and he died. Bremner imo was perhaps just making a point that LE's "ironclad" conclusions aren't so ironclad after all. If feathers are ruffled, so be it. Good attorneys are often bellicose bastards, this is no surprise.

LE I seem to recall (might be wrong) has so much as said, or dared, if the Zahau's have a different idea then prove it. Bring the evidence. Which is a bit disingenuous, since LE has controlled the evidence collection and flow. Zahau's are just trying to get to a level playing field at this late point imo (even though LE has unilaterally declared the contest over), and their attorney presumable doing what she thinks effective to aid them.

 

[jjenny]

Another pondering by me...

Out of suicides that involve bound hands --and feet for that matter--and that there is info available on, how many of them used this kind of elaborate pattern of wrapping as demonstrated in the video.

And how many of them had simple, rudimentary bindings --just get the job done and kill myself style...

IMO the bindings were skilled and whoever tied them took pride in their work.

The binding on her hands appear to be cleat hitch knots used in boating. Unless she was skilled in boating how would she know these types of knots?
http://www.netknots.com/html/cleat_hitch.html

 

[elementry]

JS's PR agency must act in accordance with the law and as far as I know, they are doing just that. Accusing a man's family of a crime when no crime has even been determined is a pretty slippery slope.

JMO

What's the accusation against the family again? I don't recall an explicit accusation. If it's the planking thing, where's the crime? Reckless behavior perhaps, but less than criminal. Bremner has not said, "Jonah did it; go get him!"

 

[MyBelle]

But why was Bremner attacking the S family older siblings by claiming they were at the scene of maxie's death, and claiming it was a planking accident? And what does that have to do with re-opening RN's death investigation?

Was she trying to implicate those kids in max's accident in some way?

That's a very good question. And why did the family tell the media they want a criminal investigation into JS and his family? That's pretty ugly stuff to throw at a grieving family. I'm appalled with such tactics.

JMO

 

[elementry]

Another pondering by me...

Out of suicides that involve bound hands --and feet for that matter--and that there is info available on, how many of them used this kind of elaborate pattern of wrapping as demonstrated in the video.

And how many of them had simple, rudimentary bindings --just get the job done and kill myself style...

IMO the bindings were skilled and whoever tied them took pride in their work.

Perhaps is irrelevant, but did LE state whether the noose was an actual hangman's noose or just another slipknot at the hanging end? I haven't read the ME report in full yet.

 

[justice be served]

Perhaps is irrelevant, but did LE state whether the noose was an actual hangman's noose or just another slipknot at the hanging end? I haven't read the ME report in full yet.

Did the ME report get posted on this thread?

 

[katydid23]

What's the accusation against the family again? I don't recall an explicit accusation. If it's the planking thing, where's the crime? Reckless behavior perhaps, but less than criminal. Bremner has not said, "Jonah did it; go get him!"

Bremner tried and is still trying to implicate his older children into the events surrounding his youngest child's death. I say screw her. IMO, that is despicable behavior on her part.

 

[justice be served]

Perhaps is irrelevant, but did LE state whether the noose was an actual hangman's noose or just another slipknot at the hanging end? I haven't read the ME report in full yet.

Computer problems on postings. IGNORE THIS PLEASE.

 

[MyBelle]

What's the accusation against the family again? I don't recall an explicit accusation. If it's the planking thing, where's the crime? Reckless behavior perhaps, but less than criminal. Bremner has not said, "Jonah did it; go get him!"

Bremner has inserted herself into Max's death investigation and also implicated his siblings as though they are responsible. What purpose does that accomplish? His death has been ruled an accident.

In one of the media interviews, members of the RN family said they wanted the the JS family investigated. I just think that's pretty explicitly accusing them of criminal misconduct.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Bremner tried and is still trying to implicate his older children into the events surrounding his youngest child's death. I say screw her. IMO, that is despicable behavior on her part.

I'm in full agreement with you on this point. Despicable behavior is a kind description.

JMO

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Any source except the Daily Mail? They are a true gossip rag, IMO...

I'm way behind here but here's a different source cluciano. CBS 8 in San Diego.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

 

[time]

It is strange and unusual. Especially outside. Most naked suicides occur indoors.

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Even the article cited on naked suicide states that 95 percent of suicides complete are associated with mental illness.

Most suicides by hanging are not naked. Most naked suicides are not outdoors