CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[SunnieRN]

Try this link
http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

Is it still here? Or is there another picture that is missing? I still see them here so far anyway.

 

[SunnieRN]

BUT, it ISN'T the boot print!!! It was the enlargement of the set of prints right in front of the threshold of the door!!!!!!!!! Supposedly Rebeccas!

So, why would that particular picture get pulled? As you saw above, I can't figure it out.

 

[IWannaKnow]

Try this link
http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

Is it still here? Or is there another picture that is missing? I still see them here so far anyway.

Go to the link you just posted and click on the fourth photo down, first column (the picture of the tiles right below the balcony railing). The foot prints in front of the threshold. It should enlarge. It used to enlarge. Now all you get is grey from the image being erased. In the top left corner you can see one line of the measuring device they had around the boot print....that is all. THE ENLARGEMENT is gone, the thumbnail is still there.

 

[elementry]

I'm not saying that Jonah was not critical of Rebecca in his own right. I can see a scenario where Dina had been jealous and angry towards Rebecca for being with Jonah and possibly precipitating their divorce. If she had warned Jonah that she did not want Max alone with Rebecca this would be an opportunity to press him to cut his ties or take a stand.

I did not say that planking had anything to do with Max's death. I did say that the older kids may have been planking earlier and that's why this theory is floating around. If Rebecca knew and allowed any of the kids to plank around this would have caused concern for Dina and reason to affirm that she couldn't be trusted with Max and may have contributed to his death.

JS and DS had shared custody I presume. So since JS only had limited time with his child, why is he delegating that time with MS to his live-in girlfriend while JS goes off golfing and who knows what else. One wonders how much time he actually put in, hands-on with the kids even though he had the sweet deal, not having to go in to work for the childrens' sake. Of course, a man's allowed to go off for a golf game, but how involved was he actually in the day-to-day with his children.

 

[deanna82437]

Interesting poll. With 154 voting --> 47% said 'Someone Who Was Hired To Kill Her'

She says Dina's last name is Mareno though... think it's a mistake and is Romano?

Didn't notice that. I believe her maiden name was Romano, though. Interest poll indeed. Most of the comments I've come across agree that it was a homicide for sure.

 

[katydid23]

1.) we need to know the exact wording , tone and voice level of JS when he made that 12:50 am call to Rebecca. Was he angry ? was he accusing ? was he sad when he broke the news ?

2.) Why was JS so confident on the day Rebecca died that it was a suicide ? Does he know something we do not know that makes him so confident of this suicide proclamation ? is that all he told friends that it was a suicide ? did he at least add something such as , "I hope police get to the bottom of this" or "no way, I cant believe she would do this". This would give us an idea of his frame of mind.

IF it was a suicide, then I think that JS would know because if it was a note meant for him, then he would understand it. For example, let's say he told her in the phone message, don't be in my bedroom when I come home, please move into the guest bedroom until we have a chance to talk. etc etc.

Then he might understand why she threw herself off that balcony, and he might understand what the cryptic message meant, if he used to for example, say " Thank You for saving me" when they first got together. So, imo, it IS possible that he knew she killed herself. Maybe when they used to fight she would get upset and threaten to kill herself if thjey broke up. My daughter had a bf who used to that, annoyingly enough.

 

[SunnieRN]

If it is this one, it is still on the site. Did you notice that the foot prints make a V?
http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rz8766.jpg

 

[sdcali]

1.) we need to know the exact wording , tone and voice level of JS when he made that 12:50 am call to Rebecca. Was he angry ? was he accusing ? was he sad when he broke the news ?

2.) Why was JS so confident on the day Rebecca died that it was a suicide ? Does he know something we do not know that makes him so confident of this suicide proclamation ? is that all he told friends that it was a suicide ? did he at least add something such as , "I hope police get to the bottom of this" or "no way, I cant believe she would do this". This would give us an idea of his frame of mind.

Another question would be, did LE verify he called? What strikes me odd is that IF that were the message he left, would he not have also left it for AS?
As numerous members have said, If I had gotten a call like that I would not be turning back over to go to sleep.

what was the urgency for JS to call RZ at that hour? She could not come to the hospital to see him--she was not allowed.

Could there have been another reason for JS to call RZ at that hour?

 

[IWannaKnow]

So, why would that particular picture get pulled? As you saw above, I can't figure it out.

What if that were the killers bare feet and not Rebecca's? All you would need would be a hacker to break into the Sheriff's web site and erase the photo, which he/she did (to my eye) but not completely. That is hard work, so the other one seems to have simply disappeared. I wonder if they saw those on the briefing and freaked out.....

There were TWO sets of foot prints and ONE boot print. The enlargements of the prints at the threshold are gone.....the prints that would have been either someone standing behind RZ or her hopping jump out to the railing.

 

[deanna82437]

lol, if you say so! i thought that may have been the case, but i guess i'm just having a hard time picturing the angle.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rz-nebr.jpg

I think this/or one of these shows the angle on the diagram.

 

[IWannaKnow]

If it is this one, it is still on the site. Did you notice that the foot prints make a V?
http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rz8766.jpg

You get the entire image at that link???? I get a grey page with a line of image on the top left corner....that is all. No tiles, no foot prints.

 

[elfie]

I think it is very possible she hit the top of her head on the support bars below the balcony. If she swung back and forth after she went over the balcony she would have smashede into them, maybe even 4 times. And according to Wecht they were not hard blows.

No, I think according to Wecht, they were sufficient to render a person unconscious temporarily.

 

[katydid23]

9/6 azfamily.com: [RZ]'s family wants case reopened in wake of new autopsy details

Such a suicide, said attorney Anne Bremner, is unprecedented.

“There’s never been a suicide like this in history -- of a woman, naked, binding her own hands behind her back, [binding] her feet, and throwing herself over a balcony,” she said. “Never.”

Bremner says a message painted on a bedroom door near where [RN] was found is inconsistent with suicide.

That message reportedly read, "She saved him can you save her?"

The meaning of that note remains a mystery, but Bremner said she and [RZ]’s family know what it’s not.

“That note that’s on the wall, on the door, is not a suicide note, and it’s not in her handwriting,” Bremner said.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/national/Zahaus-family-wants-case-reopened-129301783.html

Bremner is talking out of her pie-hole, imo. How could she possibly know that in the history of the world there has NEVER ever been a suicide like this. She cannot possibly know if that is true or not. There have been a billion suicides at the very least and she knows what all of the circumstances were?

Does she know if RN was into the Asian Tantric art of knot tying for sensual relations? Because that would make a significant difference if she was found to be knowledgable in that art.

They also cannot KNOW that the note was NOT written by her. They do not KNOW if she ever used block letters or not. They said she never did. How could they know that? None of her family lived close to her and she was a painter. She might have used block letters w/out them knowing and if so, they would not think it was her writing, when it possibly was.

Families often have a hard time believing a family member killed themselves. But Bremner's reasoning is histrionic, imo. " never ever in the history of the world ' is a pretty bold yet unprovable statement.

 

[SunnieRN]

You get the entire image at that link???? I get a grey page with a line of image on the top left corner....that is all. No tiles, no foot prints.

I get the entire image. All I can suggest is restarting your computer as sometimes mine starts to act up after viewing a lot of pictures. I hope that helps!!! Of course honestly, that is the extent of my techno geekness, in other words, I am most likely NO help at all.

 

[CalElliot]

Interesting poll. With 154 voting --> 47% said 'Someone Who Was Hired To Kill Her'

She says Dina's last name is Mareno though... think it's a mistake and is Romano?

DS was also referred in the news as "Dina Flores" at one point.

 

[time]

About any rope trail on the balcony ... went back to the report with pictures and maybe there wouldn't be one given the narrow depth.

But I noticed something. On page 15 the right hand photo shows the rope going out onto the balcony with the doors closed. I take it to indicate that is how they found the crime scene. Would Rebecca have been able to stand out there and close the doors? And, why would she bother?

 

[SunnieRN]

Bremner is talking out of her pie-hole, imo. How could she possibly know that in the history of the world there has NEVER ever been a suicide like this. She cannot possibly know if that is true or not. There have been a billion suicides at the very least and she knows what all of the circumstances were?

Does she know if RN was into the Asian Tantric art of knot tying for sensual relations? Because that would make a significant difference if she was found to be knowledgable in that art.

They also cannot KNOW that the note was NOT written by her. They do not KNOW if she ever used block letters or not. They said she never did. How could they know that? None of her family lived close to her and she was a painter. She might have used block letters w/out them knowing and if so, they would not think it was her writing, when it possibly was.

Families often have a hard time believing a family member killed themselves. But Bremner's reasoning is histrionic, imo. " never ever in the history of the world ' is a pretty bold yet unprovable statement.

I am not trying to be rude, but all of your arguments can be made in the exact opposite. Has anyone proven there has been a suicide that is the same? And has there really been 1 billion suicides? That's plain scary, as I wonder how many of them were actually murders.

 

[IWannaKnow]

I get the entire image. All I can suggest is restarting your computer as sometimes mine starts to act up after viewing a lot of pictures. I hope that helps!!! Of course honestly, that is the extent of my techno geekness, in other words, I am most likely NO help at all.

:doh: Thank you Sunnie! I cleared my cache and it loads now. Must not have loaded properly the first time, and kept opening that way.....:crazy:

Sorry for the freaked out tangent. Too much talk of erased and painted over evidence. :maddening:

 

[SunnieRN]

:doh: Thank you Sunnie! I cleared my cache and it loads now. Must not have loaded properly the first time, and kept opening that way.....:crazy:

Sorry for the freaked out tangent. Too much talk of erased and painted over evidence. :maddening:

Absolutely no problem at all!! I totally understand!!

 

[tlneedham]

I have been following this case and the threads and the great discussions of all the oddities and I definitely feel like something is rotten here.

But I was just thinking about some things that aren't directly related to the evidence, but still bug me...and make me wonder if there's something more there...

-- How does a man who is allegedly paranoid enough to have the women in his life followed and investigated have a security camera that rarely gets used in his home? That just doesn't add up to me.

If only to ensure the safety of his kids, rattling around in a mansion with just a girlfriend there to protect them if some crazy person should decide to break in.

Could there have been a camera on that day that he just didn't tell anyone about? So maybe he saw with his own eyes the truth of what happened (whatever that was)?

-- And people have joked about this, but it really DOES seem weird to me that a multi-millionaire would have a 27-room mansion but no help around on a daily basis.

I can get not wanting to have nannies for the kids, but a housekeeper? Cook? Gardener? Someone else that would have normally been there when Max died?

Maybe he does and they were just not there at the time. But to me, that would be good to know in terms of understanding both the household schedule and Jonah better.

--And as others have pointed out, your brother comes to help out and you put him in the guest house? It could just be that the brother is a loner or doesn't feel comfortable in the more ostentatious main home.

Or maybe he didn't trust the brother and Rebecca in the home alone together. Or maybe he wanted the brother to keep an eye on Rebecca without her realizing it.

But again, it seems odd that you'd leave your girlfriend--who would obviously be upset, esp after being told not to visit Max in the hospital--by herself in the house.

I know your focus would be on your son. But I'd still think you'd want your brother around to keep her company or tell her to have a friend or relative come stay since you couldn't be home with her.

Anyway, these may be little things but they're still adding to my sense that something just isn't right there.