CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[jjenny]

Morag, I have thought about this over the past several days, and I can only hope that the "ruling" on Friday might be a way to try to draw the real killer out. Maybe they feel like they're dealing with someone egotistical or who would eventually want to take credit or be known for having done this. The suicide ruling would probably get their goat.

LE doesn't operate this way. Nothing to suggest anyone is trying to draw anyone out.

 

[Plumeria5]

I still have more questions than I do answers even after LE gave their "presentation" and after reading the autopsy report (thank you to Carioca for posting it!!).

1. There are two knives in the room. So why go through the trouble of the elaborate nude hanging with hands and feet bound where you have to go over a balcony railing to commit suicide instead of using one of those knives to cut your wrists?

2. The areas of blood under the skin on the top of her head. I don't see how anyone can hit the top of their head 3 or 4 times on something to cause those during a hanging that is a suicide. She wasn't hanging by her waist or her feet for her head to be able to hit the wall (top of her head that is) while possibly struggling so how did they get there?

3. In the autopsy report it states that the binding on the wrists was loose enough on the left wrist so that she could remove her left hand (after binding them in front of her body) and place them behind her back and place her left wrist back through the hole so that it is bound again. Now, if a person was going to bind their wrists so that they would not "save themselves" would they make it possible for one hand to be removed? If she could remove her left wrist to put it behind her back she could remove her left wrist to "save herself".

4. The message on the door in black paint. It reads (according to the autopsy) "She saved him can you save her". Clearly the "him" is not the same person the author is referring to as "you" otherwise it would read She saved him can he save her. If the author was RZ (I don't believe it was but let's say she wrote it) and it was a message meant for Jonah then would it not read She saved you can you save her? If (as I believe) it was a message to Jonah from the person that killed Rebecca then I can see the message being as written. Rebecca saved Max by performing CPR and getting him the required help he needed so She Saved Him. Then the author is asking Jonah if Jonah can save her, Rebecca, from her death at the hands of the author so Can You Save Her.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Rebecca's family not accepting this (IMO farce of an) investigation. There are clearly things that do not add up and that have not been explained. They are entitled to that and frankly Rebecca deserves that.

MOO

I agree with your analysis of the note on the door. What puzzles me though is if you write "She saved him" sounds like the writer is speaking in a positive tone about Rebecca but then "Can you save her?" is written in a threatening, negative tone about Rebecca.
I guess Rebecca could have written it as she is saying that she saved Max with CPR but Jonah has turned on her and he isn't there for her when she is hurting. IDK

 

[Paladine]

But the family doesnt even seem to suspect AS. They seem more honed in on Dina, imo. The sister said that AS had taken a poly and passed and they wanted the others to take polys.

Why would a 'perp' volunteer information to LE about a part of the t-shirt was found in her mouth when he found her and cut her down?:waitasec:

It seems to me Adam has been very honest and forthright.

IMO

I'm way behind...apologies for being OT, a bit.

I have also had Dina on my mind...but because it's one doesn't mean it there couldn't be another, too. One perp, two perps, and a clean up crew...I have no idea, yet, conclusively.

I just know it's murder, imo.

BTW: I jumped two feet off the bed when this case came on NG! I am off to send a thank you note to her for covering it, and to find an email for my friend, Nancy, I gotta tweet, too...oh, so much to do, I start back to work tomorrow...early to bed and I might get an hour here to read, first. :woohoo:

Hearing NG saying, "WE want this case re-opened...?! WELL :great: ...Christmas x3! I love that ballsy woman. :rocker:

 

[jjenny]

Undocumented workers are not at all uncommon in CA ir AZ for that matter. I would still like to know who it was seen leaving/packing bags after the accidents occured.

The gym trainer said RN would bring Max with her. It sure doesn't sound to me like there were any nannies, or why would she take the child to the gym?

 

[jjenny]

I agree with your analysis of the note on the door. What puzzles me though is if you write "She saved him" sounds like the writer is speaking in a positive tone but then "Can you save her?" is written in a threatening, negative tone.
I guess Rebecca could have written it as she is saying that she saved Max with CPR but Jonah has turned on her and he isn't there for her when she is hurting. IDK

But she knew she didn't save Max, if it's true that she got the voice mail message saying Max was not going to make it. The message would make more sense if it said SHE DIDN'T SAVE HIM. As it is, I don't understand who is that she saved.

 

[Kentjbkent]

This is what I would like to know...

In the first minutes after LE arrived, HAD they found a nude woman, minus ropes, noose, gag, lying dead in grass under a balcony, I can imagine they would immediately ponder PUSHED...or JUMPED?? Murder or Suicide?

But that was NOT the case! What they discovered was a nude woman who was bound at the ankles and feet, noose around her neck, gag around her throat and stuffed in her mouth...

I wanna know WHO exactly FIRST stated, "You know, Bob, looks like it could be a suicide to me..."..

Because I was watching CNN when this story initially broke and the media was IMMEDIATELY reporting it was a possible suicide...

WHO first suggested that theory....cause that certainly wouldn't have been my immediate possibe theory prior to extensive crime scene examination and interviews!!!

 

[InTheGarden]

First, I would like to thank all the people who have contributed to these threads on Rebecca and Max. I have learned so much and it has really helped me in critical thinking.

Second, so many of the contributers here are quite bright and bring many different ideas to the table. You amaze me!

There is a precious little six-year-old boy missing from Portland, Oregon. Many of you know about Kyron Horman. I invite all of you to put your minds together to help solve this case.

I am new to this whole blogging thing. Haven't a clue on how to get anything started. Is there any interest out there?

 

[gemvt]

The autopsy report is a terrible read, but strangely, perhaps, I am still leaning towards suicide. I think that most of the abrasions and blood can be explained by her swinging into the plants/house after jumping. That balcony is not very far out from the house. I think that "She saved him can you save her" is a little less cryptic than "...can he save her" (although just barely). It doesn't sound like there is a huge amount of blood even thought there seem to be a lot of abrasions/cuts/bruises.

I still think that Dina has always hated Rebecca and what happened to her son increased that a thousandfold. There is no way that she would have tolerated Rebecca's appearance at the hospital. Jonah's measured statements since then regarding Rebecca are possibly in deference to Dina's rage and grief.

Honestly, even though it's possible that these people are less than stellar human beings, I don't see any of them as murderers. And not to bash the victim here, but we don't really know what Rebecca was like as a person, either.

As an aside, the photo of the door on the sheriff's website is definitely manipulated by photoshop. That is not actual white paint covering the message. Look at the edges of the "paint" for proof.

this is all IMO

 

[justice be served]

Why on Earth would he step down from his own company WHEN there is not one piece of evidence linking him to either death?

This is not an original idea. News reports came out - and if I recall were headlined - suggesting the idea that Shacknai may have to step down. This was many weeks ago when Rebecca's body was first found. I simply think these new inflammatory reports will force their hand to do so. Simple business decision to uphold the value of the corporation. I can try to find the old article.

 

[Kentjbkent]

LE doesn't operate this way. Nothing to suggest anyone is trying to draw anyone out.

I am a huge supporter of LE in general (due to family background) but if I were a member of Rebecca's family, I may just want to have our investigators take a little into the backgrounds of some of the top officials of this department as well...

Just sayin....

Cause I am just not convinced that this is being rushed to judgment based strictly on the income level of the community and Jonah personally....

 

[Plumeria5]

But she knew she didn't save Max, if it's true that she got the voice mail message saying Max was not going to make it. The message would make more sense if it said SHE DIDN'T SAVE HIM. As it is, I don't understand who is that she saved.

Is it true that Rebecca told her sister she was visiting Max that morning she died? Read it somewhere not sure if that was true or not.

 

[SunnieRN]

She dropped 9 feet. How did she get the head injuries? If she dropped 9 feet then I don't expect that much bounce for her head to hit the balcony?

Carioca, thank you so much for posting the link!! I am disheartened after reading this, to think that LE did not further question Rebecca's death.

I have said for awhile now that I don't believe that Rebecca could have hit her head four times on the supports of the balcony, or that these types of wounds could occur by hitting the wall. I am more sure about that now. This rope was made for towing, not bouncing like a bungee jumper.

One more reason to add to the list. I can not believe that any woman would kill herself nude, while Aunt Flo was around. That is not a thing that anyone would think was ok in any way.

I hope and pray that Rebecca's family pursues this until they feel comfortable with the findings.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

4 hemorages as reported by jean on Nancy Grace....Man if JS and LE thought this was going away they were wrong!

So are you saying you think Jonah killed Rebecca?

IMO

 

[jstwondering]

I agree with your analysis of the note on the door. What puzzles me though is if you write "She saved him" sounds like the writer is speaking in a positive tone about Rebecca but then "Can you save her?" is written in a threatening, negative tone about Rebecca.
I guess Rebecca could have written it as she is saying that she saved Max with CPR but Jonah has turned on her and he isn't there for her when she is hurting. IDK

I don't know if you caught my earlier post, but I don't take "She saved him" as positive at all. I take it as sarcastic. If you imagine that a mom is at her son's bedside and accuses a dad's girlfriend of causing the injury, the dad could have said something like...
What are you talking about???? She didn't cause this injury... She SAVED him. She performed CPR. She called 911. You should be grateful...
IMO that would be just about enough to drive someone over the edge when she hears bad prognosis for her son.

So then the person that painted the note sarcastically said, She saved him, can you save her? Obviously, no. YOU CAN'T IMO

 

[Plumeria5]

I don't know if you caught my earlier post, but I don't take "She saved him" as positive at all. I take it as sarcastic. If you imagine that a mom is at her son's bedside and accuses a dad's girlfriend of causing the injury, the dad could have said something like...
What are you talking about???? She didn't cause this injury... She SAVED him. She performed CPR. She called 911. You should be grateful...
IMO that would be just about enough to drive someone over the edge when she hears bad prognosis for her son.

So then the person that painted the note sarcastically said, She saved him, can you save her? Obviously, no. YOU CAN'T IMO

Maybe it was meant to be sarcastic. That makes more sense. Hiring someone to kill Rebecca?

 

[SunnieRN]

The gym trainer said RN would bring Max with her. It sure doesn't sound to me like there were any nannies, or why would she take the child to the gym?

Agreed, in less they had a play area that Max enjoyed playing in. I used to take my daughter, even when her Dad was home as she enjoyed it so much.

I really don't think there were nannies. I think there was household help, at least a cleaning woman once or twice a week, a garden service. I still can not help but think that the people leaving the day Rebecca was found, were employees. No one is saying, that's for sure. But if they were not in the guest house, with AS, wouldn't they have been in the caretakers home?

Also, if they were there that night, did they hear the music, didn't they check to see if everything was ok? This is certainly strange in a lot of ways.

 

[jjenny]

Is it true that Rebecca told her sister she was visiting Max that morning she died? Read it somewhere not sure if that was true or not.

She told the sister she was going to bring JS fresh clothes. She was apparently not allowed inside the hospital because DS did not want her there.

 

[TorisMom003]

So are you saying you think Jonah killed Rebecca?

IMO

I'm sorry but asking if the poster thinks that Jonah killed Rebecca simply because they (the poster) stated that if JS and LE thought this was going away they were wrong would be like asking if the poster thinks that LE killed Rebecca. The way I read that post is that both LE and JS have an interest in this case being put away as quietly and quickly as possible and neither are responsible for her death. LE will have their officers looked at even more closely to see if there is anything hinky going on in the department. JS will lose money and possibly even his position at his company. Both parties have alot to gain and/or lose but none of them equal murder.

MOO

 

[Kentjbkent]

She told the sister she was going to bring JS fresh clothes. She was apparently not allowed inside the hospital because DS did not want her there.

But she also called the boarding center that morning inquiring about boarding her dog...

So I have to wonder if perhaps she was about to make a stand and show up at the hospital anyway....kinda a situation where she puts Jonah in a position of "choose me or her"????

I wonder if she wasn't making plans to camp out at hospital whether they wanted her there or not (especially since we now know that messages to her at this point were positive towards the son's possible recovery)?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think it was a taunting message left by Rebecca. Since the message was on the inside of the home maybe she expected Jonah to come home when he could not get her to answer the phone.

I think she meant she saved him from a life of loneliness when she came into his life but she knew once he read this message on the door he would not be able to save her. She wanted him to know that. Even though he was powerful and a take charge man he couldn't stop this from happening.

I think she resented that she was left out .....unable to even visit Max at the hospital. It left her totally isolated with time to dwell on the loneliness she felt. She knew nothing was ever going to be the same again.

IMO