CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[jjenny]

Some new info from sister. She says LE didn't find any searches on the computer on how to carry out this type of suicide. She also doesn't think (and I am paraphrasing here) that RN had the smarts to carry out this type of elaborate suicide. I imagine she probably means RN would not know how to do all these things.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/on-air/a...stery_Flawed__Family_San_Diego-129185438.html

 

[MyBelle]

I often delete messages too. Sometimes I don't mean to, but just do it automatically. However .....Many phones have a backup option, where if you delete a message.... you can go back in and retrieve it. (My phone happens to have that option). Sooooo, if her phone has that option and someone took the time to erase that back up deleted message - then malice or coverup involved - maybe just to cover up a mean message. If you know someones password, then you can access their phone from anywhere. You do not hae to physically be present and manually delete the message. In this case, you can call into the persons phone, access their messages and even write in the diary..... I don't know the politics in Coronado, but most politics are dirty and people can be bought. Always possible the message was terrible and would ruin them or their business if got out, that someone deleted the message and looked the other way.

You have to wonder why she never answered the call - simply missed the call or something else happening at the home. She could not have been dead, if it was her that checked the message at 1250. However, she could have been dead if someone else checked the message... I believe JS confirmed the call came from him, regarding MS taking turn for worse. Someone checked RN Voicemail at 1250. IF RN was the person checking the voicemail, then why didn't she call JS back.... Her phone was right there, so seemed like she wanted to stay in touch. So, does it mean that someone else checked the call and deleted it.

I visited a hospital ER and ICU just the other day and my cell phone was blocked at both. No signal. I was told it interferes with their telemetry of ECGs, etc. We don't know who actually phoned and left the message. It may have been from a courtesy phone most ICU's have and been impossible for RN to return the call.

 

[katydid23]

Do we know for sure that AS came back to the house that night? Even if he did, it is very possible that your theory is accurate. But I sure don't see DS leaving that hospital for any reason or even giving a thought to RN at that point in time. Keeping a death vigil for your own child has to be one of the most gut-wrenching, consuming, totally exhausting acts a parent can do.

JMO

I totally agree about DS and JS not leaving to do anything, let alone to harm anyone. I truly believe their entire focus was on their last hours with their dying son.

We do not know what time AS came back, but he did apparently wake up there at 6:45 so I am assuming he came back sometime. And it must have been before 3 am or he would have seen her hanging.

The odd thing is the question of the loud music. Was he there for that? Was he the one playing the loud music? Maybe he was distraught hearing the news about his nephew being brain dead.

 

[jjenny]

I visited a hospital ER and ICU just the other day and my cell phone was blocked at both. No signal. I was told it interferes with their telemetry of ECGs, etc. We don't know who actually phoned and left the message. It may have been from a courtesy phone most ICU's have and been impossible for RN to return the call.

According to the sister she was told the message came from JS.

 

[tvscum]

From the autopsy:

"On 07/12/11, the decedent drove her sister to the airport to return to her home. While at the airport, she picked up Jonah's brother (AS), who flew in from out of town to be with his brother. They went to the hospital to meet Jonah and then the three went out to dinner. Jonah returned to the hospital and the decedent and Adam returned to the home. The decedent was last seen by Adam at approximately 2000 hours."

 

[MyBelle]

I totally agree about DS and JS not leaving to do anything, let alone to harm anyone. I truly believe their entire focus was on their last hours with their dying son.

We do not know what time AS came back, but he did apparently wake up there at 6:45 so I am assuming he came back sometime. And it must have been before 3 am or he would have seen her hanging.

The odd thing is the question of the loud music. Was he there for that? Was he the one playing the loud music? Maybe he was distraught hearing the news about his nephew being brain dead.

I can only imagine how distraught the entire family was at that news.

 

[Steely Dan]

Whoever did this was paid to do it. I don't think anyone in the family actually did the hanging, I think it was a contract job. JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Whoever did this was paid to do it. I don't think anyone in the family actually did the hanging, I think it was a contract job. JMO

I don't see that at all in this case because RN and JS were not married. All he needed to do was order her to leave his house. None of his money was on the line. Paying somebody to kill her doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Peaceful]

I never said it was a "half rate investigation." I'm very supportive of the ME and LE and accept their determination and ruling.

I never intended to insinuate you said that. That is 100% my opinion. sorry for the confusion. Have you really become familiar with this entire story & you still think LE & ME provided a logical explanation for their ruling of suicide? eliminating any chance of homicide? No offense but I'm confused at how the information provided could lead to an acceptance of the results. I admittedly don't know what happened but my common sense & educated understanding of humans & psychology can't begin to fathom the results based on the evidence provided. IMO

 

[katydid23]

I don't see that at all in this case because RN and JS were not married. All he needed to do was order her to leave his house. None of his money was on the line. Paying somebody to kill her doesn't make any sense to me.

It may not make sense but someone might have been very irrational and angry. I lean more towards DS than JS because he seems to be pretty pragmatic. DS seems very emotional and she is the one who already hated RN for stealing her husband and now failing her son, ending in his death. I see that as pretty valid reasons that a woman might be angered to the point of hiring a hit man.

But I still think it is more logical that RN killed herself, and tried to make it look like a murder. She wanted everyone to suspect JS and DS and they do.

 

[MyBelle]

I never intended to insinuate you said that. That is 100% my opinion. sorry for the confusion. Have you really become familiar with this entire story & you still think LE & ME provided a logical explanation for their ruling of suicide? eliminating any chance of homicide? No offense but I'm confused at how the information provided could lead to an acceptance of the results. I admittedly don't know what happened but my common sense & educated understanding of humans & psychology can't begin to fathom the results based on the evidence provided. IMO

I think LE and ME believe they have a logical explanation for their ruling and that their decision is justified. I have no reason not to accept their decisions. Maybe they didn't share everything but I think that has more to do with respect for the families rather than a cover-up or corruption funded by JS.

 

[Peaceful]

From the autopsy:

"On 07/12/11, the decedent drove her sister to the airport to return to her home. While at the airport, she picked up Jonah's brother (AS), who flew in from out of town to be with his brother. They went to the hospital to meet Jonah and then the three went out to dinner. Jonah returned to the hospital and the decedent and Adam returned to the home. The decedent was last seen by Adam at approximately 2000 hours."

Would you please note where you found this? I'd love to read more.

 

[MyBelle]

It may not make sense but someone might have been very irrational and angry. I lean more towards DS than JS because he seems to be pretty pragmatic. DS seems very emotional and she is the one who already hated RN for stealing her husband and now failing her son, ending in his death. I see that as pretty valid reasons that a woman might be angered to the point of hiring a hit man.

But I still think it is more logical that RN killed herself, and tried to make it look like a murder. She wanted everyone to suspect JS and DS and they do.

Well, not exactly everyone. LE isn't suspecting them and LE are the only ones who really matter. DS might seem emotional but at that point in time, I think her entire emotion was focused on her still alive son, not on exacting revenge or finding a hit man. I also don't know how a hit man would be able to enter that house. I'm betting it has a security system like a fortress.

JMO

 

[Peaceful]

I think LE and ME believe they have a logical explanation for their ruling and that their decision is justified. I have no reason not to accept their decisions. Maybe they didn't share everything but I think that has more to do with respect for the families rather than a cover-up or corruption funded by JS.

I would completely agree if it wasn't for the fact that the family was provided with supposedly. "ALL" the evidence and they think it's inaccurate. they deserve a full & understandable explination of what happened to their loved one. wouldn't you want to know & understand what happened if it was your family?

 

[katydid23]

Well, not exactly everyone. LE isn't suspecting them and LE are the only ones who really matter. DS might seem emotional but at that point in time, I think her entire emotion was focused on her still alive son, not on exacting revenge or finding a hit man. I also don't know how a hit man would be able to enter that house. I'm betting it has a security system like a fortress.

JMO

When I say DS seems 'emotional' I was referring to the several 911 calls they apparently had because of fights with each other. Not about her son's accident, which is totally understandable.

I agree that her focus was on her son, but if she wanted RN to pay, what better time than when she was covered w/in the surveillance cameras and had a perfect alibi?

If one of the S's hired a hit man they could easily give him the key and the alarm code. No problem.

Again, I still lean towards it being a suicide, but homicide is not out of the question, imo.

 

[MyBelle]

I would completely agree if it wasn't for the fact that the family was provided with supposedly. "ALL" the evidence and they think it's inaccurate. they deserve a full & understandable explination of what happened to their loved one. wouldn't you want to know & understand what happened if it was your family?

Of course I would want to know the truth but I'm not sure I would be in a position to decide the information given was inaccurate. I don't believe LE has been intentionally inaccurate about anything in this case.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

When I say DS seems 'emotional' I was referring to the several 911 calls they apparently had because of fights with each other. Not about her son's accident, which is totally understandable.

I agree that her focus was on her son, but if she wanted RN to pay, what better time than when she was covered w/in the surveillance cameras and had a perfect alibi?

If one of the S's hired a hit man they could easily give him the key and the alarm code. No problem.

Again, I still lean towards it being a suicide, but homicide is not out of the question, imo.

It is for me. Our home alarm has to be engaged and disengaged from inside the house. A key to the front door makes no difference if it is already engaged. I don't believe at that point in time, DS was in a frame of mind to even consider revenge. Certainly no evidence of any other footprints near where she went off that balcony other than the cop's. And DS certainly knew that JS's brother was in town and could be a witness. I'm just not seeing hitman as a plausible theory.

JMO

 

[Steely Dan]

I don't see that at all in this case because RN and JS were not married. All he needed to do was order her to leave his house. None of his money was on the line. Paying somebody to kill her doesn't make any sense to me.

I don't think JS did it. I think the most logical choice would be DS, JMO. The loud music from 1-1:30 may have been to drown out screams.

I think LE and ME believe they have a logical explanation for their ruling and that their decision is justified. I have no reason not to accept their decisions. Maybe they didn't share everything but I think that has more to do with respect for the families rather than a cover-up or corruption funded by JS.

I'm not trying to be snarky here I just want to point out some things:

The head wounds were not discussed in the PC and are not of the type that would occur if she had done this herself.
I have yet to see the door without the writing whited out.
The loud music has yet to be explained.
Why was there an empty plastic garbage bag in the room?
Why was it on top of the paint tube?
How did the chair get overturned?
Why was there a towel in the room?
Why two knives?
It is possible for someone to tie their hands behind their back and on their feet before committing suicide but why in the hades would they?
Why was the shirt stuffed in her mouth?
Why would she take off all of her clothes in order to hang herself?
What did the message on the door mean?
If her legs were bent while she was hanging why is that?


There are a lot of hinky unanswered questions. I think it's more than justified to question LE in this case until these questions are answered in a semi-believable way. I have yet to hear one. JMO

 

[Peaceful]

Of course I would want to know the truth but I'm not sure I would be in a position to decide the information given was inaccurate. I don't believe LE has been intentionally inaccurate about anything in this case.

JMO

I completely agre. I didn't find anything they had to say to be untruthful. It was their lack of addressing the many questions that remain that I found questionable. Jonah is a good man as far as I understand. I also don't feel a right to point fingers but there is definitely something that is influencing this investigation. why? that will hopefully be determined.

 

[MyBelle]

I don't think JS did it. I think the most logical choice would be DS, JMO. The loud music from 1-1:30 may have been to drown out screams.



I'm not trying to be snarky here I just want to point out some things:

The head wounds were not discussed in the PC and are not of the type that would occur if she had done this herself.
I have yet to see the door without the writing whited out.
The loud music has yet to be explained.
Why was there an empty plastic garbage bag in the room?
Why was it on top of the paint tube?
How did the chair get overturned?
Why was there a towel in the room?
Why two knives?
It is possible for someone to tie their hands behind their back and on their feet before committing suicide but why in the hades would they?
Why was the shirt stuffed in her mouth?
Why would she take off all of her clothes in order to hang herself?
What did the message on the door mean?
If her legs were bent while she was hanging why is that?


There are a lot of hinky unanswered questions. I think it's more than justified to question LE in this case until these questions are answered in a semi-believable way. I have yet to hear one. JMO

I'm not in a position to analyze head wounds. That is up to the ME and he noted them but I think it is entirely possible she hit her head on her plunge from the balcony. I'm also not sure LE can explain things like loud music or how a chair got overturned. They weren't there so how could they?

I know there are all kinds of questions, but have yet to see anything that indicates LE does have the answers and is intentionally withholding the information. I don't know why anybody commits suicide. It is not a choice I would make.

JMO