CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[Bonepile]

"A witness reported contact with Rebecca in January, having observed Rebecca had lost weight, seemed stressed, was not sleeping well and was not exercising. She had also engaged in conversations with Rebecca regarding problems she was having"


I am drawn to the statement that back in January someone reported that RZ was "stressed". There is NO other supporting evidence to her stress since that date, and this is the observation of an unnamed witness. Did not the authorities try and establish other incidents of loss of weight, and stress since that time? Was there any evidence that RZ had sought psychiatric counseling or professional stress management? Was there any evidence that other bouts of "stress" had happened before January or since? And did the authorities base the fact that RZ hung herself because of one reported incident six months earlier?

I find their conclusions stressed.

 

[Steely Dan]

Well, not exactly everyone. LE isn't suspecting them and LE are the only ones who really matter. DS might seem emotional but at that point in time, I think her entire emotion was focused on her still alive son, not on exacting revenge or finding a hit man. I also don't know how a hit man would be able to enter that house. I'm betting it has a security system like a fortress.

JMO

If you know one right person all it takes is a call to them saying "Find someone who will take care of that blankety blank." JMO

Also, you'd be surprised at how many people don't have security systems. Those kids who were stealing from Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton and other stars never encountered a security system that I'm aware of.

There are alarm systems that are activated and deactivated by using the door key. All somebody would need is a key.

JS sounds like he's a penny pincher and an alarm system may be something he feels is worthless.

 

[Peaceful]

I think LE and ME believe they have a logical explanation for their ruling and that their decision is justified. I have no reason not to accept their decisions. Maybe they didn't share everything but I think that has more to do with respect for the families rather than a cover-up or corruption funded by JS.

Additionally, I certainly don't agree the "families " are being protected by this filtered information. one is screaming for answers while the other family is requesting privacy. let's not be confused. Only one family is benefiting from this ode to privacy.

 

[MyBelle]

If you know one right person all it takes is a call to them saying "Find someone who will take care of that blankety blank." JMO

Also, you'd be surprised at how many people don't have security systems. Those kids who were stealing from Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton and other stars never encountered a security system that I'm aware of.

There are alarm systems that are activated and deactivated by using the door key. All somebody would need is a key.

JS sounds like he's a penny pincher and an alarm system may be something he feels is worthless.

With all due respect, that is your speculation. JS did hire a PR firm so there's not much proof he's such a penny pencher he wouldn't address security of his family and his multi-million dollar home. CEOs aren't celebrities but they are leaders of companies that may have disgruntled employees.

JMO

 

[Steely Dan]

I'm not in a position to analyze head wounds. That is up to the ME and he noted them but I think it is entirely possible she hit her head on her plunge from the balcony. I'm also not sure LE can explain things like loud music or how a chair got overturned. They weren't there so how could they?

I know there are all kinds of questions, but have yet to see anything that indicates LE does have the answers and is intentionally withholding the information. I don't know why anybody commits suicide. It is not a choice I would make.

JMO

Once again I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm just making some points.

I'm not in a position to analyze head wounds either but somebody who is noted those things. Also, the police don't have answers for those things because they've closed the case. We don't know if they ever even considered them odd. It appears that RZ's family was not given all of the information by the police, why not? You'd at least suspect they'd present a theory for how everything happened that is more than just proving someone can tie their hands behind their back. It just looks like they wanted it to be over as fast as possible and spent most of the time trying to prove suicide while ignoring important facts that might lead to murder. JMO

 

[Steely Dan]

With all due respect, that is your speculation. JS did hire a PR firm so there's not much proof he's such a penny pencher he wouldn't address security of his family and his multi-million dollar home. CEOs aren't celebrities but they are leaders of companies that may have disgruntled employees.

JMO

Thanks,

I haven't heard any info on an alarm system and so I'm assuming there wasn't one. Also, in a time like this a guy like JS probably finds a PR firm worth it, especially when there were domestic calls to the house before, IIRC. There may be other things in the past he doesn't want looked into either. JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I think LE and ME believe they have a logical explanation for their ruling and that their decision is justified. I have no reason not to accept their decisions. Maybe they didn't share everything but I think that has more to do with respect for the families rather than a cover-up or corruption funded by JS.

Additionally, I certainly don't agree the "families " are being protected by this filtered information. one is screaming for answers while the other family is requesting privacy. let's not be confused. Only one family is benefiting from this ode to privacy.

The attorney for RN's family has disputed the findings in Max's death and also implicated his siblings.

What answers are they screaming about? Max's death was ruled an accident.
I just don't understand their outrage, which seems to be focused more about Max.

 

[MyBelle]

Thanks,

I haven't heard any info on an alarm system and so I'm assuming there wasn't one. Also, in a time like this a guy like JS probably finds a PR firm worth it, especially when there were domestic calls to the house before, IIRC. There may be other things in the past he doesn't want looked into either. JMO

I seriously doubt LE would ever discuss an alarm system publicly. It would be irresponsible for them to discuss it but I'm betting it was there.

 

[MyBelle]

Once again I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm just making some points.

I'm not in a position to analyze head wounds either but somebody who is noted those things. Also, the police don't have answers for those things because they've closed the case. We don't know if they ever even considered them odd. It appears that RZ's family was not given all of the information by the police, why not? You'd at least suspect they'd present a theory for how everything happened that is more than just proving someone can tie their hands behind their back. It just looks like they wanted it to be over as fast as possible and spent most of the time trying to prove suicide while ignoring important facts that might lead to murder. JMO

I don't know how LE will ever come up with answers for everything no matter how odd they may be.

What information wasn't given to RN's family? What facts did LE ignore? I'm not being snarky, either, but I'd like to know what you think is available that they did not receive. LE did present their theory as to what happened. I don't find it all that hard to believe but I'm not the family. What did LE leave out other than questions they apparently can't answer?

 

[Curious Me]

"A witness reported contact with Rebbecca in January, having observed Rebecca had lost weight, seemed stressed, was not sleeping well and was not exercising. She had also engaged in conversations with Rebecca regarding problems she was having"


I am drawn to the statement that back in January someone reported that RZ was "stressed". There is NO other supporting evidence to her stress since that date, and this is the observation of an unnamed witness. Did not the authorities try and establish other incidents of loss of weight, and stress since that time? Was there any evidence that RZ had sought psychiatric counseling or professional stress management? Was there any evidence that other bouts of "stress" had happened before January or since? And did the authorities base the fact that RZ hung herself because of one reported incident six months earlier?

I find their conclusions stressed.

Yes! Funny how some unknown person says something about RZ being depressed back in January, and the investigators take that so seriously when everybody close to her says she worked out, had a positive attitude, and was never suicidal. Painting this woman as some emotional mess to support the suicide theory is a convenient way to gloss over the fact that this may have been a cold-blooded murder. They didn't explain or support all the facts before they neatly closed the investigation. I still don't believe this was a suicide.

 

[Bonepile]

Yes! Funny how some unknown person says something about RZ being depressed back in January, and the investigators take that so seriously when everybody close to her says she worked out, had a positive attitude, and was never suicidal. Painting this woman as some emotional mess to support the suicide theory is a convenient way to gloss over the fact that this may have been a cold-blooded murder. They didn't explain or support all the facts before they neatly closed the investigation. I still don't believe this was a suicide.

Thank you for that. When you try and build a case for suicide (or anything else) you try and establish a pattern of behavior going back more than once and talking with friends, colleagues, family, co-workers, and then you take all the evidence and sort through it, and then make your determination. To label one (alleged) incident from six months earlier as the reason is simply not thorough, not professional, not truth seeking, and totally irrelevant.

 

[elementry]

imo, head injury is easily explained. She may -have hit her head on the railing, balcony or the house.

Please explain, why did LE leave it out of their presentation, along with the tape residue and the shirt gag? It just weird that they decided to give a non-accurate representation of the facts. It also colors their decision to withhold the "message" that's not a suicide note exactly, but that they decided to treat as if it was a suicide note. What other things have they left out, which never even saw light of day in the various written reports. For instance, in the diagram of the bedroom, why would they not even number as evidence the overturned chair by the balcony doors, and the blanket there? tia for the answers.

 

[dasqm]

With all due respect, that is your speculation. JS did hire a PR firm so there's not much proof he's such a penny pencher he wouldn't address security of his family and his multi-million dollar home. CEOs aren't celebrities but they are leaders of companies that may have disgruntled employees.

JMO

I concur that JS was a penny pincher, otherwise; why didn't he have full time household staff and a full time nannie/s to look after MS? Afterall, it's not a house...it's a mansion and imo warrants staff to maintain it. Was it the responsibility of Rebecca to maintain the house, cook the meals, watch the children, drive them to their activities, etc.?

An aside, from the beginning MS has been called a special child by multiple people. Was he a special needs child? Was he autistic or did he perhaps have ADHD or ADD? My reason for asking is that I wonder if he was more than a handful to care for. Was he always running around, was it difficult for him to sit down and have quiet time, did he have issues following directions (i.e.) no scooters allowed in the hall?

 

[alexanderdavis]

The only fingerprints on the brush were hers, but I suppose a killer could have made her hold the brush long enogh to get her prints on it.

If they were HER art supplies, they would ALREADY have her fingerprints on them.
It is my opinion that the killer knew this and covered his tracks by wearing gloves.

It just doesn't make sense to me that she would go through all the trouble of getting her messy paints out during a stressful time....when she could just use a Sharpie marker. I doubt that she would keep messy paints in a carpeted bedroom. I doubt that she normally paints in a carpeted bedroom. Why would she walk around that big house gathering rope, art supplies etc. when she could have used stuff that was near by.

 

[gemvt]

I also perceive JS as a penny pincher, otherwise; why didn't he have full time household staff and a full time nannie/s to look after MS? Afterall, it's not a house...it's a mansion and imo warrants staff to maintain it. My concept of a mansion is 6k square feet or larger. The mansion was expansive. Was it the responsibility of Rebecca to maintain the house, cook the meals, watch the children, drive them to their activities, etc.? As far as JS's hiring someone for PR purposes...that was self preservation imo. JS was just looking out for #1 in his world which happens to be himself imo.

An aside, from the beginning MS has been called a special child by multiple people. Was he a special needs child? Was he autistic or did he perhaps have ADHD or ADD? My reason for asking is that I wonder if he was more than a handful to care for. Was he always running around, was it difficult for him to sit down and have quiet time, did he have issues following directions (i.e.) no scooters allowed in the hall?

I don't see any evidence of Jonah Shacknai being a "penny pincher". Just because we aren't aware of any staff doesn't mean there wasn't any. Isn't it established that there is at the very least a caretaker? Also shortly before the accident Jonah had negotiated a pretty cushy employment agreement with Medicis where he could work from home, only had to work 4 days per week, got 8 weeks paid vacation and that it was understood that he may not be available to work when fulfilling childcare obligations:

http://www.footnoted.com/perk-city/extreme-flextime-in-troubled-times-at-medicis/

The CEO of a publicly traded company would be a fool not to employ a PR firm during something like this. He wouldn't want to use the company's PR department because these events were highly personal in nature, yet the repercussions could be damaging to the stock value of the company.

I recall seeing photos of the mansion and there are ADT signs in a couple of different places in the front yard. I'm quite certain there was an active alarm system there.

It's possible that Jonah knows exactly what the door message means and was able to explain it to LE. In fact, it's possible that most of our questions have a reasonable explanation, but due to a variety of concerns LE doesn't wish to publicize them. I do believe that they should provide Rebecca's family with this information if they have not already.

Is this photo taken on a boat? I can't tell, but it's certainly possible that they enjoyed boating while in California.

 

[Quester]

Originally Posted by MyBelle
With all due respect, that is your speculation. JS did hire a PR firm so there's not much proof he's such a penny pencher he wouldn't address security of his family and his multi-million dollar home. CEOs aren't celebrities but they are leaders of companies that may have disgruntled employees.

JMO

Since you brought up disgruntled employees, I think I read somewhere that DS used to work for Medicis.

Is that true?

TIA

 

[tvscum]

Thanks,

I haven't heard any info on an alarm system and so I'm assuming there wasn't one. Also, in a time like this a guy like JS probably finds a PR firm worth it, especially when there were domestic calls to the house before, IIRC. There may be other things in the past he doesn't want looked into either. JMO

There was an alarm system. Coronado commander was asked about it at the news conference. He said it was regularly not used. The sheriff Sgt. said he did not know whether the alarm was engaged. The Sgt. did say there was no sign of forced entry.

Video of the entire news conference is here:
http://www.10news.com/video/29065367/index.html

The alarm discussion is between 1:21:10 and 1:22:30

 

[scorekeeper]

From the autopsy:

"On 07/12/11, the decedent drove her sister to the airport to return to her home. While at the airport, she picked up Jonah's brother (AS), who flew in from out of town to be with his brother. They went to the hospital to meet Jonah and then the three went out to dinner. Jonah returned to the hospital and the decedent and Adam returned to the home. The decedent was last seen by Adam at approximately 2000 hours."

poster previously requested a link...

tv, can you provide the link; we would all like to read the report.

TIA

 

[InTheGarden]

I feel badly for RN's family as they are in so much pain over their loss. It would be very hard for a family to accept a dear one committing suicide.

As far as MS's accident, I think the dog was involved. An active six-year-old boy and a dog would always be together, running and rough housing. If MS was indeed "planking," the dog may have jumped up on him, causing MS to lose balance and tumble over. I seem to recall that the last word MS spoke to RN was the dog's name.

RN volunteered for the position she was in. Living with a man without the protection and committment of marriage is one of the stupidest things a woman can do. A huge unbalance of power, one party gets most of the benefits without the responsbility.

Think about it -- her last "duty" was to pick up the brother from the airport (to "support" JS, shouldn't this have been one of her functions) and transport him to the hospital, which apparently she herself was barred from entering. Later RN receives a distressing message from JS that all hope is gone and MS's life is over. Who knows what else JS said to her. One can only image what a high-powered and demanding perfectionist would say under such circumstances, holding RN responsible as it was under her watch when this happened.

No one had to murder RN, why would any successful person take the risk. Having JS throw RN out of his life with nothing would have been enough of a punishment.

All in my very humble opinion.

 

[tvscum]

poster previously requested a link...

tv, can you provide the link; we would all like to read the report.

TIA

I am sorry. The report is not online. It is available from the ME's office tuesday.