CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[jjenny]

She wasn't in the shower, she was going pee or poop. If MS was 6 and had to be watched SO closely, that Rebecca shouldn't have gone to the bathroom, he should have had 2 nannys to watch him when he was there, in case one nanny had to go potty. Sheesh. She did not kill MS. She is not guilty.

Apparently being millionaire's girlfriend ain't all it cut out to be. She was expected to babysit (why no nannies/babysitters?), her sister apparently cut herself cleaning up glass (no housekeepers?) and we haven't heard about any household staff present.

 

[SunnieRN]

Apparently being millionaire's girlfriend ain't all it cut out to be. She was expected to babysit (why no nannies/babysitters?), her sister apparently cut herself cleaning up glass (no housekeepers?) and we haven't heard about any household staff present.

:innocent: I wont say what I am dying to say right now!!! :seeya:

 

[Curious Me]

Rebecca may have told her family members, as I said, a different story about how the accident happened than she told police. What that has to do with Rebecca's death investigation is that she may have told the real truth to her family and a cover-up story to the police for protecting one or several of the children. She further may have been asked to tell the untruth to officers by a family member for the children's' protection. She may have quickly gotten tired of being blamed for Max's death and decided to tell the truth. Well she never got a chance to do that because she either decided to commit suicide or she was silenced before she got a chance to tell the truth.

I can't stand her attorney either.

She had to be shut up fast by someone, IMO. I can't even imagine why murder her that way if it'd bring more scandal to the mansion though. It does seem that something about MS's accident was not totally revealed.

JS's erased message to RZ is another hinky "fact". He could've said he was coming home and told her to leave the door open so someone could sneak in to murder her, for all we know.

I do not believe this woman committed suicide.

 

[elementry]

I really don't think her family believes she "did it out of love" to put it mildly.
Kind of hard to buy the idea that the woman "did it out of love" when her body was found in the nude, bound and gagged, hanging from a balcony.

Also not seemingly loving to saddle the Shacknai's and her own family with the after-effects of such an act in the wake of the boy's tragic fall. A tormented and twisted mind of a suicider might imagine she was committing an act of beauty though, I guess, to assuage the pain in her remaining moments. Very self-absorbed in one's own psychic agony, other rational thought could go out the window, pardon the metaphor. But for such a warp and all-encompassing cloud to be getting played out in her mind, she sure had a lengthy and organized methodology in the physical conducting of the hypothesized suicide. It's a walking and chewing gum thing I guess.

 

[SunnieRN]

She had to be shut up fast by someone, IMO. I can't even imagine why murder her that way if it'd bring more scandal to the mansion though. It does seem that something about MS's accident was not totally revealed.

JS's erased message to RZ is another hinky "fact". He could've said he was coming home and told her to leave the door open so someone could sneak in to murder her, for all we know.

I do not believe this woman committed suicide.

I'm not sure about the rest, but your last sentence is spot on imho.

 

[revampz]

ok: I am suspicious of both of these deaths and no one seems to have officially come out and told the general public and media everything they know making it more hard to beleive.

1) Max's death: We dont know who was actually in the house, there have been reports it was his sister. We know her sister was there as her other sister has said this to the media. We dont know how he died. Lawyers are saying planking, yet he had a scooter on his right shin and the article I just read said that he was told not ride his scooter in the hallway. Rebecca said his last word was "ocean". So we are led to beleive that he may have tripped over the dog on his scooter, and as the chandelier smashed, he must have grabbed it. Yet the police have come out with an animation that shows him running and tripping and they have used an adult like figure to support this. The sister (rebeccas) cut herself, we know this as the other sister has told this to media, and in the police report she was taken to the airport on the 12/07. and Rebecca had "issues" with his children.

My conclusion: the truth has not come out about Max's death.

2) Rebecca kills herself using a knot that boaties use, brother who was the last to see her at supposed 8pm and also found her the next day is a boatie. The police report that the last message on her phone was telling her that Max would die, she listened to this message and it was deleted. So we dont know if the person saying this message was threatening, angry or crying. We were not told about a "suicide note" which is painted on the wall and is in third person, she supposedly hopped over the balcony. We were not told that she also had a blue long sleeve tshirt which was tied in a double knot at the sleeves and then wrapped around her neck and stuffed into her mouth. We were not told about the duct tape residue on her legs and no one knows where the duct tape is. There has been no explanation for the blood running down her legs. Some say she hit the cactus, but it is not broken. We do not know if there was loud music or not playing and she kills herself naked and outside with bound feet and hands which is extremely rare for a woman.

Too many ifs with both of these deaths and not enough definite answers given.

I am starting to think she may have committed suicide but set it up for revenge. What I cant understand then is if the story about Max's death is correct and her only mistake is that she was in the toilet, then all of this seems wwaaaayyyy out of context.

 

[katydid23]

She wasn't in the shower, she was going pee or poop. If MS was 6 and had to be watched SO closely, that Rebecca shouldn't have gone to the bathroom, he should have had 2 nannys to watch him when he was there, in case one nanny had to go potty. Sheesh. She did not kill MS. She is not guilty.

There is some confusion whether she was taking a shower or going to the bathroom;

Woman's death at mansion was suicide. - NewsFeed Researcher ...
2 days ago ... An attorney for the family of Rebecca called the medical examiner's suicide ... Bremner said that message was from Zahau's boyfriend, Jonah Shacknai. ..... were present and that Zahau was in the shower at the time of the accident. .... death of Rebecca Zahou, the girlfriend of Scottsdale-based Medicis CEO ...
newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles.../zahau-shacknai-death.html - Cached - Similar

And nobody said she killed Max. But she did not supervise him very well, as evidenced by his body at the foot of the stairs. He had to propel himself over the top of that railing, and there is now info from the Z family attorney that he was planking. If so, she should feel some responsibility. That is something she could have picked up on. That is not the same thing as just tripping over the stairs. Someone should have been watching him closer if he was planking on the upstairs balcony. I just think it is a bit too convenient that both of them were in the bathroom when he died.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

NOT as far a I'm aware. I remember it was reported to be GS early on, before the PR team was hired...I think it was Jonahs child from Kimberly...now, the son, ES, is 13 the daughter, GS, is 14, I posted links on thread 2 or 3, I think...

I do not think Rebeccas sister was there. I HOPE the Family straightens this out....

They clearly stated at the PC that it was RZ's 13 year old sister. Whether or not they are telling the truth, I don't know, but that is what they said.

 

[elementry]

The Sheriff's department couldn't bother to mention that they knew for a fact that no other kid(s) was there. Why should Rebecca's family be forced to dig for information that the Sheriff would have? And if XZ did tell her family and/or attorney that there were others there, then surely the Sheriff would be happy to refute it with a flight number or schedule.

Look, I don't think anyone deliberately hurt that little boy. But if there were others there, that should be part of the report.

It's understandable that RN would try to minimize the involvement of other children- I would, too, whether my sweetheart asked me to or not. It isn't a crime to want to know what really happened- the suicide theory rests on RN's feelings of guilt, and it hasn't been made plain if she really felt that way.

LE sounded like they have no intention of commenting further or thinking about it any further. They seem to have gone back to their bunker after the show. They had to know a shitstorm would be raised once the ME report with new facts was released and the dissatisfied Zahau family spoke up. One line of thinking is that they might have to be provoked into further comment.

 

[SunnieRN]

That is what confuses me so much. Rebecca was close to her family. If JS threw her out of the house, with words, she could have gone to her family.

If she felt 'guilty' she didn't convey that to anyone. Could that have been the reason she was resented, hated, discarded?

What if this is against JS, as some have theorized. Fact is, there are too many unanswered questions to have a definitive cause of death determination.

If LE has more information, to make their beliefs believable, release it, so the rest of us can feel the same way and the Zahou's can find peace in the LE findings.

 

[elementry]

Apparently being millionaire's girlfriend ain't all it cut out to be. She was expected to babysit (why no nannies/babysitters?), her sister apparently cut herself cleaning up glass (no housekeepers?) and we haven't heard about any household staff present.

No household staff, no security surveillance to speak of, no nannies....what kind of self-respecting multimillionaire Pharma tycoon was this guy?:waitasec:

 

[SunnieRN]

There is some confusion whether she was taking a shower or going to the bathroom;

Woman's death at mansion was suicide. - NewsFeed Researcher ...
2 days ago ... An attorney for the family of Rebecca called the medical examiner's suicide ... Bremner said that message was from Zahau's boyfriend, Jonah Shacknai. ..... were present and that Zahau was in the shower at the time of the accident. .... death of Rebecca Zahou, the girlfriend of Scottsdale-based Medicis CEO ...
newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles.../zahau-shacknai-death.html - Cached - Similar

And nobody said she killed Max. But she did not supervise him very well, as evidenced by his body at the foot of the stairs. He had to propel himself over the top of that railing, and there is now info from the Z family attorney that he was planking. If so, she should feel some responsibility. That is something she could have picked up on. That is not the same thing as just tripping over the stairs. Someone should have been watching him closer if he was planking on the upstairs balcony. I just think it is a bit too convenient that both of them were in the bathroom when he died.

Wow, so now LE was incorrect about her going to the bathroom in the downstairs bathroom and she was in the shower? Then where was her sister?

As I keep saying, correct answers are needed. Determinations can not be binding if they are made with incorrect information.:innocent:

 

[katydid23]

Zahaus have not gone and made these accusations on shows. Zahaus also would know who was there. Remember their 13 year old sister was there, she is old enough to know who was there or who wasn't. Now I don't know how accurate that lawyer's statement is, and where she got the information.

Yes, they have made these accusations, through their <modsnip>, Ms Bremner.

And YES, the 13 yr old was old enough to know who was there. And remember, she was immediately interviewed after the accident by LE, and her words were used in their initial reports. So was she lying then or now?

 

[Quester]

9/5 NY Daily News: Unexplained head trauma, mysterious message raise new questions in [RN] 'suicide'

The autopsy notes also described four injuries under [RN]'s scalp, tape residue and bruising on her legs and part of a shirt stuffed in her mouth as a gag, CBS 8 reported.

Wecht, the former Pittsburgh medical examiner ... said he's been retained by Seattle lawyer Anne Bremner to re-evaluate [RN]'s death.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/09/05/2011-09-05_unexplained_head_trauma_mysterious_message_raise_new_questions_in_rebecca_zahau_.html?r=news

 

[SunnieRN]

Yes, they have made these accusations, through their <modsnip>, Ms Bremner.

And YES, the 13 yr old was old enough to know who was there. And remember, she was immediately interviewed after the accident by LE, and her words were used in their initial reports. So was she lying then or now?

That's the point. We don't know if she was the only minor interviewed or not. We still don't know, if there was another minor there.

 

[elementry]

That is what confuses me so much. Rebecca was close to her family. If JS threw her out of the house, with words, she could have gone to her family.

If she felt 'guilty' she didn't convey that to anyone. Could that have been the reason she was resented, hated, discarded?

What if this is against JS, as some have theorized. Fact is, there are too many unanswered questions to have a definitive cause of death determination.

If LE has more information, to make their beliefs believable, release it, so the rest of us can feel the same way and the Zahou's can find peace in the LE findings.

I say put Wecht and Baden in a cage and let them fight it out until a conclusion is reached.

 

[SunnieRN]

9/5 NY Daily News: Unexplained head trauma, mysterious message raise new questions in [RN] 'suicide'

The autopsy notes also described four injuries under [RN]'s scalp, tape residue and bruising on her legs and part of a shirt stuffed in her mouth as a gag, CBS 8 reported.

Wecht, the former Pittsburgh medical examiner ... said he's been retained by Seattle lawyer Anne Bremner to re-evaluate [RN]'s death.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/09/05/2011-09-05_unexplained_head_trauma_mysterious_message_raise_new_questions_in_rebecca_zahau_.html?r=news

Hallelujah!!!:great:

 

[jjenny]

9/5 NY Daily News: Unexplained head trauma, mysterious message raise new questions in [RN] 'suicide'

The autopsy notes also described four injuries under [RN]'s scalp, tape residue and bruising on her legs and part of a shirt stuffed in her mouth as a gag, CBS 8 reported.

Wecht, the former Pittsburgh medical examiner ... said he's been retained by Seattle lawyer Anne Bremner to re-evaluate [RN]'s death.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/09/05/2011-09-05_unexplained_head_trauma_mysterious_message_raise_new_questions_in_rebecca_zahau_.html?r=news

I am not surprised at all. When he came out with the autopsy review, it was obvious he would not turn down the job.

 

[Curious Me]

She wasn't in the shower, she was going pee or poop. If MS was 6 and had to be watched SO closely, that Rebecca shouldn't have gone to the bathroom, he should have had 2 nannys to watch him when he was there, in case one nanny had to go potty. Sheesh. She did not kill MS. She is not guilty.

I've wondered if RZ specifically asked one of the older children to watch MS while she was in the bathroom. Maybe they left him alone or caused MS to have the accident. Perhaps they then took off leaving RZ to explain, without her telling on that person who was really suppose to be keeping an eye on MS.

Wonder who made breakfast that day? Is that what it's like going with a rich guy in that you get left with a bunch of children to watch and all those rooms to clean! Then, to top it off, you get blamed for going to the bathroom!

 

[SunnieRN]

I am not surprised at all. When he came out with the autopsy review, it was obvious he would not turn down the job.

Another set of eyes can not be a bad thing in this situation!!