CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[jjenny]

Benzo test is a matter of hours. That would have come back Monday.

That's what it looks like.

 

[scorekeeper]

I have now been verified as an insider in this case.

Alright, here are the things I know. LE is aware of everything I am about to share. I just have some tidbits, nothing earth shattering lol.

-Some family members do not believe Max died accidentally. I will leave it at that. Dina has hired a private team to investigate in the hopes that LE reopens the case and believes Max was suffocated before the "fall."

-Since March of this year, Dina told Jonah she did not want Rebecca alone with Max. This is due to her getting "weird vibes" from Rebecca. A background check was performed on Rebecca that revealed things (I was not told what those things are nor will I prod about them).

-Jonah has an interesting past of having his ex wives/girlfriends boyfriends followed, investigated, photographed etc...

-Rebecca was forbidden to go to the hospital to visit Max.

I will share more as I learn more.

BBM

But JS was satisfied with LE's findings..hmmmmm..good for DS's family!

So things more than the "theft"......

So JS did not listen to DS - he left MS with RN while he went to play golf

I can't imagine the 'vibes' at the hospital with DS and her family there non-stop with JS - well, I guess I can.....

Has she spoken about when she was finally informed of MS's accident and how/by whom?

Perhaps with DS's and RN's family questioning, the trust will come out......

 

[scorekeeper]

So they might have had the false positive benzo test very soon after admission?

if so.......how long until the 2nd test was run?

how long does benzo stay in system?

This is way over the top - the HINKY meter light is FLASHING - and we still don't have all the information......:banghead::banghead:

 

[jjenny]

if so.......how long until the 2nd test was run?

how long does benzo stay in system?

This is way over the top - the HINKY meter light is FLASHING - and we still don't have all the information......:banghead::banghead:

I think they probably used the same sample to rerun the test. This is not something like cocaine, this is a legally prescribed drug, could be for a number of conditions. There could be perfectly legal reasons for a child to have it in the blood.

 

[SunnieRN]

Benzo test is a matter of hours. When a patient is admitted following fall and a family member expresses suspicions of foul play - drug screening should have been done stat. I see that someone posted the Pathologist Tox Screen. However, there would have been a blood/urine tox screen sent once DS raised any concerns - most likely upon admit.

Thing is, that when a pediatric patient comes up positive for a drug in their system, it has to be explained. If the family all said 'no, he didn't/doesn't take anything', the test would have been repeated almost immediately.

We used to have pediatric patients on the med surg floor where I work. If a child has drugs in their system that are not prescribed, the doctors want to know why and how they obtained them. I can't believe that the test would have stood that long and not retested until after July 29th.

 

[chasing.halos]

Chasing Halos, if #3 is correct, then can you tell me your beliefs on how Rebecca died?

All IMHO- I'm a lost cause because I go back and forth in what I think about what happened to Rebecca.

I lean towards suicide. What trips me up mostly is the knots.

My reservation is knowledge of JS's possible "contacts." If he has people following others, who else might he have? All totally IMHO.
It's possible to me that JS hired someone. The thing that gets me there though is that he would have had only 2 days from Max's accident to plan something with someone-just seems hasty to me when he didn't know Max would die until that very night.

See, I am hopeless. :no:

 

[jjenny]

Thing is, that when a pediatric patient comes up positive for a drug in their system, it has to be explained. If the family all said 'no, he didn't/doesn't take anything', the test would have been repeated almost immediately.

We used to have pediatric patients on the med surg floor where I work. If a child has drugs in their system that are not prescribed, the doctors want to know why and how they obtained them. I can't believe that the test would have stood that long and not retested until after July 29th.

The article said blood collected upon admission was used for all the tests. July 29th appears to be the date all of it was finalized and signed, not the date the tests were run.

 

[SunnieRN]

BBM

But JS was satisfied with LE's findings..hmmmmm..good for DS's family!

So things more than the "theft"......

So JS did not listen to DS - he left MS with RN while he went to play golf

I can't imagine the 'vibes' at the hospital with DS and her family there non-stop with JS - well, I guess I can.....

Has she spoken about when she was finally informed of MS's accident and how/by whom?

Perhaps with DS's and RN's family questioning, the trust will come out......

Is JS satisfied? Or does he just want this to all go away, quickly and quietly. If that is the case, why? I can think of one possibility.

 

[jjenny]

What do "inside sources" say about RN's ability to tie these type of knots? Were there reasons she would have known how to tie this knots used in boating?

 

[babette_gladney]

Wow, the initial screen was known immediately. Oh boy. SunnieRN, is it common for a benzo screen to come back with that initial result (presumptive positive)? Thanks.

 

[justice be served]

All IMHO- I'm a lost cause because I go back and forth in what I think about what happened to Rebecca.

I lean towards suicide. What trips me up mostly is the knots.

My reservation is knowledge of JS's possible "contacts." If he has people following others, who else might he have? All totally IMHO.
It's possible to me that JS hired someone. The thing that gets me there though is that he would have had only 2 days from Max's accident to plan something with someone-just seems hasty to me when he didn't know Max would die until that very night.

See, I am hopeless. :no:

I, too, am still on the fence. Your bolded portions are what is making the rounds in Phoenix as the scenario of what happened. I, too, am hopeless as I can't imagine things like that really occur.

 

[SunnieRN]

The article said blood collected upon admission was used for all the tests. July 29th appears to be the date all of it was finalized and signed, not the date the tests were run.

I understand that, but with an accident and a positive test result, they would have questioned the parents or caregivers, if the child was at daycare, for example. If the doctors or LE were to receive a negative answer concerning why the substance was present (no prescribed meds), they would routinely retest immediately. This is so the presence can still be found if present. Giving a child drugs not prescribed for them has far reaching implications, accident or no accident.

Believe me when I say I have had experience with children who have been drugged by their parents, so they can go 'party', or so they can 'entertain'. The test would have been repeated.

 

[Stella5]

Well nobody has posted any links to any suicide by a female similar to RN's suicide.

Once again... that's because most suicides are not covered by MSM. In fact, there is an unspoken rule that suicides are not covered by media. Suicides to this day are still considered Taboo.

 

[SunnieRN]

Wow, the initial screen was known immediately. Oh boy. SunnieRN, is it common for a benzo screen to come back with that initial result (presumptive positive)? Thanks.

You know there is one possibility for the positive test result, but it is not necessarily the answer, since the second test was negative.

When EMS responded, it took them 25 minutes to get a pulse back. I have to assume they intubated Max as soon as possible, so as to have a viable airway. When you intubate someone, you give them drugs to relax them, if you have a line (iv), or drugs to keep them relaxed after intubation, if needed.

I am not sure if his blood was drawn prior to or after intubation and if he was given any drugs prior to intubation.

If this was blood drawn by EMTs, prior to any drugs being given, I stand by my call that they would have retested immediately and if they didn't, I think that was negligent.

 

[justice be served]

What do "inside sources" say about RN's ability to tie these type of knots? Were there reasons she would have known how to tie this knots used in boating?

Or for other non-boating reasons mentioned upthread? I only have hearsay and would like it to be validated.

 

[scorekeeper]

Zahau-Loefner, a nurse practitioner who said she spoke to her sister almost every day, told ABCNews.com Zahau had no psychiatric history, and had never taken anti-depressants or attempted suicide

http://abcnews.go.com/US/rebecca-zahau-autopsy-raises-questions/story?id=14451270

Didn't RN's ex say she had changed?

chasing.....are JS and AS close?

 

[tvscum]

As I noted earlier, conspicuously absent from evidentiary marking, the chair and the blanket:

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rz-nebr.jpg

There is a better photo of the wicker chair and blanket from a different angle contained in the Sheriff PDF presentation, along with a wider angle photo of the balcony here:

http://sdsheriff.net/coronado/rz.pdf

Page 15 of 26 in the PDF presentation.

One shot shows the balcony doors shut and the other shows the doors open. Couldn't somebody simply stand on the carpet and push her off the balcony without leaving footprints on the sooty balcony tile?

 

[curiousjo]

In regards to knots, you have to think of AS who works on tugboats, anyone who is into boating or possibly RN. A WS poster implied that JS may have been into Japanese bondage or Kinbaku/Sokubaku - meaning 'the beauty of tight binding'. In that case, she would be experienced in knot tying. Never heard of it before...so, I googled japanese bondage widipedia and found definition and a very elicit photo (naked woman tied up with rope and mouth covered- sound familiar?). Take a look, and it makes you wonder. And Dr Klein made that sexual comment about JS..."as his wealth increased so did his satyriasis --- his excessive, often uncontrollable sexual desire. Maybe this was his desire to remain forever young. But this illness may very well account for what happened at the Spreckles mansion as it did for the action at Dupont Estate in Deleware."

 

[chasing.halos]

From what I know, JS and AS are not that close.

Regarding Rebecca's knowledge of knots or boating, I have no idea. I sure wish I did.

 

[SunnieRN]

I, too, am still on the fence. Your bolded portions are what is making the rounds in Phoenix as the scenario of what happened. I, too, am hopeless as I can't imagine things like that really occur.

I hadn't read any of this and it gives me pause, depending upon who is saying it.

There is a better photo of the wicker chair and blanket from a different angle contained in the Sheriff PDF presentation, along with a wider angle photo of the balcony here:

http://sdsheriff.net/coronado/rz.pdf

Page 15 of 26 in the PDF presentation.

One shot shows the balcony doors shut and the other shows the doors open. Couldn't somebody simply stand on the carpet and push her off the balcony without leaving footprints on the sooty balcony tile?

When you look at how much slack is in the rope and the amount trailing from
Rebecca, it seems as if she couldn't have been very far off the ground.

As for the balcony, it does look as if someone could push her over without steping on to it if they were a tall person.

I thought it was interesting that a tipped over chair, laundry basket and a blanket on the floor, did not appear to show any signs of a struggle.:crazy: