CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[oceanblueeyes]

INteresting....first time I heard this...

So possible she was in middle of retiring for the evening, had removed clothing, makeup, when something called her attention back to mainhouse (phone, noise, etc) so she wrapped in towel to address whatever it was, and encountered a person known/unknown to her in mainhouse?

You sure could be right.....maybe she realized she forgot her phone and went back to get it and that is when she realized Jonah had left her the voice mail with the horrible news about Max.

IMO

 

[curiousjo]

Do we know if they actually spoke/voicemail or if a text was sent? All I have read is she "received a message".....

Or did I read that they have records that she called voicemail and retrieved message? :waitasec:

She got a call - that went to voicemail. Then, LE believes she listened to message at 1250, then deleted it.

 

[deanna82437]

Again, that doesn't fit with his statement that he last saw her at 8 pm when he retired to the guest house. She was in the main house. If she decided to sleep in the other bedroom of the guest house his statement should have been completely different, no?

OR, he was asleep, tired from his trip and did not see or even know that she was in the guest house?

 

[Kentjbkent]

In the photos she appears to wear eye shadow to match her clothes, so it wouldn't be a permanent tattoo because she had to change it to match her clothes. I think she might have some tattooed on, doesn't mean she didn't wear additional make up.

I have a client who had her eyeLINER tattooed on....eyeliner only.

ETA: (And still freaks me out when I see it!)

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

If the accident happened the way LE showed in their animation then yes, it was a split second tragedy and she could not have prevented it. But the family attorney is trying to paint it as a planking accident, involving the older S siblings as well. If that is true, then she holds more responsibility, imo.

I only pointed out what the attorney Bremner was saying because I think it is innaccurate and insensitive, which describes her professionally to a Tee. imoo

I think that there may have been planking going on before Max's accident. I think the older kids may have been planking and or owling but this had nothing to do with Max's death. Bringing this issue up does of course give an attorney an opening to raise new questions about the police report and follow new threads. That's how attorney's work they build their case by tying things together and looking for opportunities to elicit new information and new questions. That's all she's doing here.

 

[katydid23]

Really? You think she could get into the bedroom of a guest house without telling him and he had no idea? How likely is that story?

I see no problem with it if he was asleep. It was not his usual bedroom, not a usual situation. She did not have to enter his room to go into the next one. And maybe she told him already that she was going to sleep next door.

Why is it that every single thing brings up such outrage and disbelief? He goes to sleep at 8 pm, which would be 10 pm his time. And being a tow boat guy he probably got up at 5 or so. So he was an early to sleep guy probably. Why so outrageous that someone could enter the other bedroom and get ready for bed without disturbing him?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

She didn't live in a two bedroom apartment. She had a whole mansion to herself. What would be her reason for sneaking into a bedroom of a guest house when there was AS staying in a second bedroom (and without AS knowing?)

Maybe she was scared to stay by herself in that huge mansion since her sister had gone home.

IMO

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

She didn't live in a two bedroom apartment. She had a whole mansion to herself. What would be her reason for sneaking into a bedroom of a guest house when there was AS staying in a second bedroom (and without AS knowing?)

1. Jonah didn't want her in the main house anymore.
2. She felt alone in the main house.

 

[SunnieRN]

You know, the autopsy report seems awfully vague, just as the PC was. Who's clothing was it? Was the make up on the removal pad traced to anyone?

Could they trace the person who left the clothes and make up pad behind, to someone at the mansion at the time of Rebecca's death? Or do they know they belonged to Rebecca? If so, why were they in the guest house, but she was found in the main house?

Where was she when she 'missed' the 12:50 phone call?

And just for the record. Your g/f is at home alone with the brother you are not that close to. You can't reach her at 12:50 a.m. You have proven yourself to be controlling, exerting power over people, having ex wives boyfriends followed, checkec out and spied on, but you let this incident pass?

Sorry, don't buy it.

 

[jjenny]

Maybe she was scared to stay by herself in that huge mansion since her sister had gone home.

IMO

LE tells us she killed herself that night. What was she scared of? Somebody was going to kill her before she did it herself?

 

[Kentjbkent]

She didn't live in a two bedroom apartment. She had a whole mansion to herself. What would be her reason for sneaking into a bedroom of a guest house when there was AS staying in a second bedroom (and without AS knowing?)

I am still trying to get your point :waitasec:

Why do we have her sneaking anywhere?????? And if she didn't at least originally go to bed in the other bedroom, who did? The bed was unmade and there was woman's clothing on the floor???

 

[katydid23]

She didn't live in a two bedroom apartment. She had a whole mansion to herself. What would be her reason for sneaking into a bedroom of a guest house when there was AS staying in a second bedroom (and without AS knowing?)

Maybe the fact that she had seen a beloved 6 yr old fall to his death in the entryway. I would not want to sleep in there alone that night either. It was probably painful to be in that mansion that night.

 

[jjenny]

1. Jonah didn't want her in the main house anymore.
2. She felt alone in the main house.

If JS didn't want her in the main house then why didn't she tell AS she was going to stay in the guest house?

As for feeling alone, if she was suicidal, what did she need company for?

 

[sorrell skye]

Page 7 of the autopsy report:

The decedent's long hair passed between the skin of her neck and the rope ligature.

I've had long hair my entire life. It's an automatic reaction for anyone with long hair to remove their hair out from under anything restrictive (collar, purse strap, seat belt, etc.).

I don't believe Rebecca would have put a noose around her neck and left her hair underneath it.

IMO, someone else placed the noose around her neck.

 

[jjenny]

Page 7 of the autopsy report:

The decedent's long hair passed between the skin of her neck and the rope ligature.

I've had long hair my entire life. It's an automatic reaction for anyone with long hair to remove their hair out from under anything restrictive (collar, purse strap, seat belt, etc.).

I don't believe Rebecca would have put a noose around her neck and left her hair underneath it.

Yes, they say her hair was underneath the rope. Suicidal or not, I'd think a natural instinct would be to pull the hair from underneath the rope, and supposedly she did not do that.

 

[SunnieRN]

Page 7 of the autopsy report:

The decedent's long hair passed between the skin of her neck and the rope ligature.

I've had long hair my entire life. It's an automatic reaction for anyone with long hair to remove their hair out from under anything restrictive (collar, purse strap, seat belt, etc.).

I don't believe Rebecca would have put a noose around her neck and left her hair underneath it.

IMO, someone else placed the noose around her neck.

Agreed, that is an automatic response, to pull your hair out from something.

 

[elementry]

I see no problem with it if he was asleep. It was not his usual bedroom, not a usual situation. She did not have to enter his room to go into the next one. And maybe she told him already that she was going to sleep next door.

Why is it that every single thing brings up such outrage and disbelief? He goes to sleep at 8 pm, which would be 10 pm his time. And being a tow boat guy he probably got up at 5 or so. So he was an early to sleep guy probably. Why so outrageous that someone could enter the other bedroom and get ready for bed without disturbing him?

The outrageous part to me is that LE saw fit not to mention this of additional information that's been pouring out. Do you find every last bit of information that we've come to know in the 4 days since the presentation as irrelevant to the case? It just seems to defy logic when you look back at that very circumscribed presentation of cherry-picked facts that went into the show last Friday.

 

[jjenny]

I am still trying to get your point :waitasec:

Why do we have her sneaking anywhere?????? And if she didn't at least originally go to bed in the other bedroom, who did? The bed was unmade and there was woman's clothing on the floor???

My point is, the story of AS was is that he last saw her at 8 pm. She was in the main house. He retired to the guest house. There is nothing in his story about seeing RN after he retired to the guest house. I have no idea whose clothing that was but one would think LE should have checked. But did they?

 

[SunnieRN]

The outrageous part to me is that LE saw fit not to mention this of additional information that's been pouring out. Do you find every last bit of information that we've come to know in the 4 days since the presentation as irrelevant to the case? It just seems to defy logic when you look back at that very circumscribed presentation of cherry-picked facts that went into the show last Friday.

Exactly!! The omissions are outrageous.

 

[ehough22]

If the accident happened the way LE showed in their animation then yes, it was a split second tragedy and she could not have prevented it. But the family attorney is trying to paint it as a planking accident, involving the older S siblings as well. If that is true, then she holds more responsibility, imo.

I only pointed out what the attorney Bremner was saying because I think it is innaccurate and insensitive, which describes her professionally to a Tee. imoo

I agree with you there- seems to me Bremner is trying to argue Rebecca had no reason to commit suicide since she felt no guilt; in doing so she makes Rebecca come off callous and well, maybe even suspicious if she truly felt no guilt over the death of a child. I don't believe it was suicide but the only thing that gives me pause is the overwhelming guilt she must have felt over Max; I think Bremner is aware of the huge question her guilt creates and is trying to remove that thought from the public's minds even though it isn't necessarily accurate.

I don't know Bremner from a hole in the wall and have no feelings about her either way, but she does seem to be doing an awful lot of shooting from the hip here. Throwing out inaccurate or, at best, unverified information- perhaps things she's heard from one person or another but she regurgitates it all as fact. I get what she's trying to do, which is to get this tried in the court of public opinion, and by stating things that clearly go against LE's version of events, she's getting attention. But getting facts wrong just to make her point isn't going to win her a lot of fans in the end. I wish she would be a little more...cautious in her statements. Not everything has to be an explosive bombshell- there's enough here to look at. I don't know that she's doing it maliciously and again, I see what she's trying to do, but some restraint may be necessary (oh geez, no pun intended).