CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #10

[Peaceful]

Why would Jonah hire private security? After all, according to him Rebecca killed herself and if anyone had anything to do with Max's death his family blamed Rebecca. Unless of course Jonah was afraid that her family wouldn't buy the BS story of suicide and they might go after Jonah because of what he did, had done or knew who had done it. If Jonah is to be believed that he was positive that Rebecca killed herself there would be no threat to him or his family for him to need private security.

MOO

That's my train of thought as well. Maybe he is worried about the media??? Anyone seen any reports of what is going on at his house in AZ? It would be interesting to know if they are still employed by JS.

 

[Peaceful]

I can see why he hired private security with his son mysteriously falling with no eye witnesses and then losing his girlfriend too.

He probably thought someone was stalking him and the ones closest to him.

IMO

That is definitely a possibility I considered however, now knowing he told everyone she committed suicide from day one, it seems unlikely. Unless he is hiding something else. IMO

 

[October]

In reading MS autopsy report, it says that Rebecca didn't know if she found him faceup or facedown and turned him over. I find it strange that she didn't remember.

I don't. If this really was an accident (which I believe it was,) then I'm sure shock and panic were her first reactions. They would be mine.

 

[jjenny]

Oh wow, just listened to a forensic rope expert on Dr. Drew. He said he has no idea how she could have done this.

He ain't alone. Most of us here can't figure it out either. The woman must have been a regular Houdini to do all she supposedly had done.

 

[cali_mommy]

In the Autopsy report it states she had TATTOOED eyebrows,and eyeliner. AND ACNE, not to mention implants,thus scars. This woman DID NOT kill herself NAKED and bare faced. She was murdered. Women like her (not a put down) ALWAYS want to be put together, I bet she wore make up to the gym. She WOULD NOT go out like this PERIOD. For all we know,with all the typos in the police report, the painted message could have said she didn't save him, will you save her.

 

[gemvt]

From the San Diego Ronald McDonald House website:

The Ronald McDonald House is a very secure and safe place to stay. When you arrive, you will be issued an electronic keycard for your room. The House closes at 8:00 p.m. nightly to all day visitors and guests.

http://rmhcsd.org/our-families/services-for-families/guest-faqs.html

All guests must wear a House-issued wristband at all times during their stay.

http://rmhcsd.org/our-families/services-for-families/rules-and-guidelines.html

 

[Peaceful]

In reading MS autopsy report, it says that Rebecca didn't know if she found him faceup or facedown and turned him over. I find it strange that she didn't remember.

I have to agree I find that strange too. Only because I personally recall the day my child had to get stitches vividly. Maybe its just a difference in people. I just agree its strange. IMO

 

[Quester]

O/T Major electrical power outage in San Diego Area

SDG&E: "Power Out Into the Night"
Transmitting lines were severed, causing power outage

Communities across San Diego went dark Thursday afternoon as a power outage plagued parts of Southern California.

"We expect power to be out well into the night and into tomorrow in some areas," a spokesman for the utility said shortly before 5 p.m.

A transmitter line between Arizona and California was severed ...

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/San-Diego-Communities-Experience-Blackout-129493378.html

 

[jjenny]

I have to agree I find that strange too. Only because I personally recall the day my child had to get stitches vividly. Maybe its just a difference in people. I just agree its strange. IMO

There was a scooter across his shin so my guess is she did not turn him. She might have been in a panic/stressed after finding him.

 

[branwynbreeze]

I apologize in advance if this is a duplicate post but I found this interesting article regarding the differences in autopsy reports between a hanging and a strangulation. I would love to hear opinions on this. I am trying to find the darn autopsy reports and I can't. Grrr. Lost in old posts somewhere. if anyone has the links to the reports handy, I'd be super grateful!

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0379073803002792

I found a paper earlier very similar to one above. I hesitated to post since it had some graphic photos. It isn't hanging, but talks about breaking hyoid bone. So:

Fractures of the hyoid bone or the laryngeal cartilages are rarely found in suicide cases and are restricted to only 1 broken upper thyroid horn in most instances. Rothschild and Maxeiner12 reviewed 116 suicide ligature strangulation cases in which sufficient details were available. They found that the number of laryngohyoid fractures generally was low and the involvement of the hyoid bone, as well as major injuries (eg, a fracture of the cricoid cartilage), was extremely uncommon. Maxeiner and Bockholdt1 analyzed 47 homicide and 19 suicide death cases by ligature strangulation. They reported that there was bleeding on the tongue in 25 homicide and 19 suicide cases, whereas injury in the laryngohyoid complex existed in 21 homicide and 2 suicide cases. In our study, there was a fracture on the left upper horn of thyroid cartilage in the third case only.

WARNING, GRAPHIC PHOTOS AT BELOW LINK!

http://journals.lww.com/amjforensic...000/Suicide_by_Ligature_Strangulation__Three_

 

[SunnieRN]

From the San Diego Ronald McDonald House website:



http://rmhcsd.org/our-families/services-for-families/guest-faqs.html



http://rmhcsd.org/our-families/services-for-families/rules-and-guidelines.html

Nothing about security cameras? Access 24 hours a day in or out it sounds like. Great organization that really helps parents of ill/injured children.

 

[jjenny]

I found a paper earlier very similar to one above. I hesitated to post since it had some graphic photos. It isn't hanging, but talks about breaking hyoid bone. So:

Fractures of the hyoid bone or the laryngeal cartilages are rarely found in suicide cases and are restricted to only 1 broken upper thyroid horn in most instances. Rothschild and Maxeiner12 reviewed 116 suicide ligature strangulation cases in which sufficient details were available. They found that the number of laryngohyoid fractures generally was low and the involvement of the hyoid bone, as well as major injuries (eg, a fracture of the cricoid cartilage), was extremely uncommon. Maxeiner and Bockholdt1 analyzed 47 homicide and 19 suicide death cases by ligature strangulation. They reported that there was bleeding on the tongue in 25 homicide and 19 suicide cases, whereas injury in the laryngohyoid complex existed in 21 homicide and 2 suicide cases. In our study, there was a fracture on the left upper horn of thyroid cartilage in the third case only.

WARNING, GRAPHIC PHOTOS AT BELOW LINK!

http://journals.lww.com/amjforensic...000/Suicide_by_Ligature_Strangulation__Three_

RN had fractures: fracture on the left arm of the hyoid bone and a fracture of the base of the left superior horn of the thyroid cartilage.

 

[Winnts]

Reading Max's autopsy report just made me sad. That poor little boy. LIfe is so precious.

 

[branwynbreeze]

In reading MS autopsy report, it says that Rebecca didn't know if she found him faceup or facedown and turned him over. I find it strange that she didn't remember.

I don't think it that strange, I'd imagine the entire thing seemed surreal and she was in shock. Traumatic situations effect people differently. I think she reacted while not taking in the scene, disbelief it was happening.

 

[Winnts]

I don't think it that strange, I'd imagine the entire thing seemed surreal and she was in shock. Traumatic situations effect people differently. I think she reacted while not taking in the scene, disbelief it was happening.

I would be horrified, shaking, sweating panicked, desperate, devastated, impatient for help.

 

[SophieRose]

Was it ever said which bathroom Rebecca was using when Max had his fall? I had thought it was the first floor bathroom, which is right outside the staircase, but maybe it was one in the upstairs master bedroom.

 

[Peaceful]

Nothing about security cameras? Access 24 hours a day in or out it sounds like. Great organization that really helps parents of ill/injured children.

And notice how many more people were at MS autopsy, as opposed to RZ's autopsy. Did anyone else notice that MS had a lot of cuts and bruises? Could that have all been from the fall? I suppose it is possible but something about the story of the death of innocent MS doesn't seem quite right to me.

What else is interesting?? Tried to google earth the address on the AR and it is just a number off from the business address of JS? I can see hiding the address from the public but wrong info? again? Why wasn't the coronado address listed? Wasn't it listed on RZ's as such? So wierd...

 

[SunnieRN]

Was it ever said which bathroom Rebecca was using when Max had his fall? I had thought it was the first floor bathroom, which is right outside the staircase, but maybe it was one in the upstairs master bedroom.

You're correct, downstairs bathroom.

 

[CuriousHousewife]

In Max's autopsy it says that Rebecca went to the restroom after last seeing Max in the kitchen. She then doesn't hear from him for 10 to 20 minutes. Then she said she heard the loud noise and found him at the bottom of the stairwell.

Let me stress that I am not blaming Rebecca for Max's accident. But if I heard that the person responsible for watching my 6 year old son had him out of her sight for 10 to 20 minutes, I would be beyond livid. I would also question her entire story, to be frank.

I hate that Rebecca's sister is now saying that Max loved Rebecca so much and would go home and tell Dina just how much he loved her. This is getting very ugly.

MOO

Honestly, as the mother of two, I wouldn't hesitate at age six to go take a shower or hot bath, get dressed, put on makeup, whatever, could take 20 or more minutes if my child knew where to find me and we were in our house, which they are familiar with. And these are MY kids. I guess not all 6 yr olds are the same, but as a child of divorce, Max may have been more self sufficient than most kids his age, even.

 

[elementry]

This link was posted a few threads back but will post again as is pertinent to elementry's comment:
snipped : Gore is a member of the “good old boys’ network” of San Diego political corruption. : snipped

Gather your own opinion, but I recommend reading the article in full for an insight into [gotta love it!] Bill "I invented Science" Gore (Elementry, you crack me up :floorlaugh:

http://angiemedia.com/2010/04/20/bill-gore-is-poor-choice-for-san-diego-sheriff/

;–/\


That article goes much further than I knew of. He's an odd duck - fits in perfectly with this case......