CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #10

[MyBelle]

I must have missed that earlier. How do you know that the 911 call was delayed and left him not breathing for some time?

His death was partly due to lack of oxygen to his organs for a period of time. CPR has to be started immediately to be effective.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

His death was partly due to lack of oxygen to his organs for a period of time. CPR has to be started immediately to be effective.

JMO

He had an injury to his spinal cord that prevented breathing. CPR isn't necessarily going to be successful in fixing that. So that doesn't prove the CPR wasn't started right away. I mean, how long did paramedics worked on him before he started breathing again?

 

[MyBelle]

This is quite the interesting read... http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/reprint/36/2/240.pdf

"Naked suicide can be associated with any method of suicide; however, anecdotal evidence indicates that it occurs more frequently with hanging, overdose, or drowning, but to a lesser extent in jumping deaths. With the exception of jumping, most naked suicides occur indoors."

"Anger and vengeance can be expressed by completing suicide while naked, especially when it is intended to traumatize a survivor. The shock of discovering a naked suicide inflicts an indelible, traumatic memory that can haunt a survivor for a lifetime."

"The person who completes suicide while naked may intend to add insult to a suicide survivor’s already devastating injury."

"Clothes may be partially or completely removed to facilitate the method of suicide. For example, the individual may remove or reposition clothing to expose the wound site. A shirt may be removed to make hanging easier or to be used as a noose."

Thanks, Stella5. I think RN was very angry and her suicide reflects it.

 

[tvscum]

You guys better "cease and desist":

Millionaire pharmaceutical tycoon (JS) is coming out swinging in the media battle over the death of his son and girlfriend at his Coronado mansion.

Chicago-based attorney (DW) emailed the following ‘cease and desist' letter Tuesday to Seattle-based attorney (AB) following her appearance on CNN Headline News and interviews with several media outlets.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15406681/shacknai-sends-cease-and-desist-letter-to-zahau-family-attorney

 

[MyBelle]

He had an injury to his spinal cord that prevented breathing. So that doesn't prove the CPR wasn't started right away.

Yes it does. He couldn't breathe on his own so CPR was essential immediately. It was started later and that's why he didn't survive. Damage was done because of lack of oxygen in his blood. Both the lungs and heart need oxygenated blood. I imagine the doctors started asking questions about how it happened fairly quickly after he was brought in.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

Yes it does. He couldn't breathe on his own so CPR was essential immediately. It was started later and that's why he didn't survive. Damage was done because of lack of oxygen in his blood. Both the lungs and heart need oxygenated blood. I imagine the doctors started asking questions about how it happened fairly quickly after he was brought in.

JMO

I don't think so. CPR itself isn't necessarily going to be successful in preventing lack of oxygen to the brain. I know that for a fact. Just because somebody is doing CPR does not mean they are going to succeed and prevent brain damage.

 

[elementry]

You guys better "cease and desist":

Millionaire pharmaceutical tycoon (JS) is coming out swinging in the media battle over the death of his son and girlfriend at his Coronado mansion.

Chicago-based attorney (DW) emailed the following ‘cease and desist' letter Tuesday to Seattle-based attorney (AB) following her appearance on CNN Headline News and interviews with several media outlets.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15406681/shacknai-sends-cease-and-desist-letter-to-zahau-family-attorney

Good call, My Belle. I suppose he'll have to follow through and bring the suit if Bremner continues in her manner.

 

[Steely Dan]

You guys better "cease and desist":

Millionaire pharmaceutical tycoon (JS) is coming out swinging in the media battle over the death of his son and girlfriend at his Coronado mansion.

Chicago-based attorney (DW) emailed the following ‘cease and desist' letter Tuesday to Seattle-based attorney (AB) following her appearance on CNN Headline News and interviews with several media outlets.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15406681/shacknai-sends-cease-and-desist-letter-to-zahau-family-attorney

I haven't heard what she's said but just what's been reported here. If she was saying that Max was planking then that's a stupid thing to do. Why does how Max died enter into RN's death. Unless she can prove it she should ignore that part of the whole thing and concentrate on RN's death and the hinky things surrounding it.

She is entitled to express her opinion on anything and I don't know exactly how she's phrasing things. If I were her I would keep talking in the IMO mode and wait for him to sue her. I really, really doubt he'll sue her because then all of the evidence will have to be publicly aired. JMO

 

[MyBelle]

You guys better "cease and desist":

Millionaire pharmaceutical tycoon (JS) is coming out swinging in the media battle over the death of his son and girlfriend at his Coronado mansion.

Chicago-based attorney (DW) emailed the following ‘cease and desist' letter Tuesday to Seattle-based attorney (AB) following her appearance on CNN Headline News and interviews with several media outlets.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15406681/shacknai-sends-cease-and-desist-letter-to-zahau-family-attorney

Bravo, bravo. I knew it was only a matter of time before the cease and desist notices started to fly.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I haven't heard what she's said but just what's been reported here. If she was saying that Max was planking then that's a stupid thing to do. Why does how Max died enter into RN's death. Unless she can prove it she should ignore that part of the whole thing and concentrate on RN's death and the hinky things surrounding it.

She is entitled to express her opinion on anything and I don't know exactly how she's phrasing things. If I were her I would keep talking in the IMO mode and wait for him to sue her. I really, really doubt he'll sue her because then all of the evidence will have to be publicly aired. JMO

She insisted planking was involved but also that his siblings were present. Neither of which is supported by facts.

Nobody is entitled to state their opinion as fact. She stated her comments as fact, not opinion. It is up to her if she chooses to ignore the demand. And, no, not all the evidence will be publicly aired if he sues her. Truth is a complete defense to libel. It isn't true that planking was involved and I'm betting his other children were nowhere near the house at the time of Max's fall.

JMO

 

[Stella5]

Thanks, Stella5. I think RN was very angry and her suicide reflects it.

You're welcome and I agree. When this first happened we had a statement from her ex-NN that Rebecca had changed and she wasn't the same person he knew when they were married. She didn't want their modest life in Arizona, where apparently they were barely skimming by.... quite a few civil suits on unpaid rent out there if you dig. She also felt the need to walk into a Macy's and attempt to walk out with $1,000 worth of jewelry without paying, and this was before Jonah walked into her life. NN said she now wanted the life of luxury. She had that life for a short while, but then Max fell from the staircase.

All that she had become accustomed to and all that she ever wanted was now slipping out of her hands. I have no doubt that some pretty nasty things were said that morning after Max's accident and the days to follow. She reportedly was driven to the hospital in an LE cruiser but then returned to the house an hour later. Jonah was busy tending to Max, and Dina was furious with her because it happened on her watch.

I truly believe there were a lot of accusations flung her way by everyone and she reached a point where she felt she had lost everything and no longer had anything to live for. All the above is MOO.

As for the autopsy and narratives we do have, I fail to see anything but a suicide. The paint on her breast, nipple, fingers, different parts of the rope... Rebecca painted that message. No one forced her to and then smeared paint on her to set up a suicide.

The head injuries could have occurred by her hitting her head on the balcony railing, flooring or supports... or smashing into the wall of the house. She went over that railing and didn't go straight down. She flung for awhile. Hanging victims also convulse, which would create more movement to hit the house, the trees or anything else around her body.

I just don't see homicide. The scene is too messy for the perp to not leave anything behind. MOO

 

[MyBelle]

Good call, My Belle. I suppose he'll have to follow through and bring the suit if Bremner continues in her manner.

as well he should follow through. Enough is enough. Ms. Bremner's agenda from the get-go seemed to be more about $$$$ than justice. She has no right whatsoever to insert herself into the investigation about Max. In fact, the LE press conference with the video illustration seemed to be specifically targeted to refute her planking scenario.

JMO

 

[shana]

Whoa...I haven't been on this thread since this morning, and I now see it has tanked.

RIP little Max and Becky...I hope you find your peace.

 

[Stella5]

From the cease & desist article...

" It is ironic that Mr. Shacknai went through the entire law enforcement investigation, at all times cooperating completely with several police authorities, and never once considered retaining an attorney."

Call me crazy, but I doubt a man of his wealth who was involved in murdering his girlfriend in any way, shape or form would sit through all those interviews without legal counsel. MOO.

 

[jjenny]

The life of luxury doesn't appear to me to be all that luxurious. She was babysitting, making breakfast, that we heard of. The guy also had two ex-wives, 2 teenager children, and it appears she didn't have the best relationship with at least one of the ex-wives and one of the teenagers.
Was that really that devastating to lose all that? She was young, attractive, it's not like if she lost JS as a boyfriend she wouldn't have been able to get another one.

 

[MyBelle]

You're welcome and I agree. When this first happened we had a statement from her ex-NN that Rebecca had changed and she wasn't the same person he knew when they were married. She didn't want their modest life in Arizona, where apparently they were barely skimming by.... quite a few civil suits on unpaid rent out there if you dig. She also felt the need to walk into a Macy's and attempt to walk out with $1,000 worth of jewelry without paying, and this was before Jonah walked into her life. NN said she now wanted the life of luxury. She had that life for a short while, but then Max fell from the staircase.

All that she had become accustomed to and all that she ever wanted was now slipping out of her hands. I have no doubt that some pretty nasty things were said that morning after Max's accident and the days to follow. She reportedly was driven to the hospital in an LE cruiser but then returned to the house an hour later. Jonah was busy tending to Max, and Dina was furious with her because it happened on her watch.

I truly believe there were a lot of accusations flung her way by everyone and she reached a point where she felt she had lost everything and no longer had anything to live for. All the above is MOO.

As for the autopsy and narratives we do have, I fail to see anything but a suicide. The paint on her breast, nipple, fingers, different parts of the rope... Rebecca painted that message. No one forced her to and then smeared paint on her to set up a suicide.

The head injuries could have occurred by her hitting her head on the balcony railing, flooring or supports... or smashing into the wall of the house. She went over that railing and didn't go straight down. She flung for awhile. Hanging victims also convulse, which would create more movement to hit the house, the trees or anything else around her body.

I just don't see homicide. The scene is too messy for the perp to not leave anything behind. MOO

ITA. I've always thought she tried to make it look like a homicide because she was very angry at JS. I think it would be impossible for any human, JS or anybody else, to continue to live with a person who they felt was responsible for their child's accident. I do believe AS was there to ensure she moved out of JS's life. Nothing more.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

The life of luxury doesn't appear to me to be all that luxurious. She was babysitting, making breakfast, that we heard of. The guy also had two ex-wives, 2 teenager children, and it appears she didn't have the best relationship with at least one of the ex-wives and one of the teenagers.
Was that really that devastating to lose all that? She was young, attractive, it's not like if she lost JS as a boyfriend she wouldn't have been able to get another one.

I think it isn't all that easy to snag a billionaire. Just a guess since I never tried. Granted, she was young and attractive but so are a lot of other women that age.

Was the babysitting all that difficult? Cooking breakfast? The three children all primarily resided with their mothers.

If RN had problems with anyone, maybe she was the source of the problem? Blaming everyone else gets stale after awhile.

JMO

 

[Stella5]

The life of luxury doesn't appear to me to be all that luxurious. She was babysitting, making breakfast, that we heard of. The guy also had two ex-wives, 2 teenager children, and it appears she didn't have the best relationship with at least one of the ex-wives and one of the teenagers.
Was that really that devastating to lose all that? She was young, attractive, it's not like if she lost JS as a boyfriend she wouldn't have been able to get another one.

Who's to say she didn't enjoy making breakfast and tending to his children? If she didn't, why would she have quit her job to spend more time with Jonah and his kids? Find another boyfriend who made $6.5 million dollars last year, owned a mansion in AZ and yet another mansion in San Diego? What are the odds? Slim to none. I think it was the money that was the motivating factor in the relationship, at least in the beginning and it is a pretty attractive bonus. Kids are there part time, and when they weren't it was probably non-stop luxury.... fancy dinners, nicer clothes than she ever dreamed of, nice cars, probably fantasy vacations... She was playing house with a billionaire and now it was over. MOO.

 

[CalElliot]

So attorneys are taking swings at each other.

The point remains that the Zahau family deserve answers they're not getting.

And how is it that Jonah Shacknai claimed from day one that RZ had killed herself? On what basis did he make such a conclusion?

 

[MyBelle]

From the cease & desist article...

" It is ironic that Mr. Shacknai went through the entire law enforcement investigation, at all times cooperating completely with several police authorities, and never once considered retaining an attorney."

Call me crazy, but I doubt a man of his wealth who was involved in murdering his girlfriend in any way, shape or form would sit through all those interviews without legal counsel. MOO.

ITA. Sounds like his corporate legal counsel advised him to cooperate and so he did. I'm impressed.

JMO