CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #10

[BrownRice]

So attorneys are taking swings at each other.

The point remains that the Zahau family deserve answers they're not getting.

And how is it that Jonah Shacknai claimed from day one that RZ had killed herself? On what basis did he make such a conclusion?

I can easily see JS concluding she killed herself because she was found hanging. It "looked" like a suicide.

 

[MyBelle]

Well, fixing breakfast and watching kids in your (rich boyfriend's) Coronado beach side mansion is a bit more luxurious than waking up every morning at 6:00 a.m. (just guessing) to drive to your job as an eye technician and working 8 hours. And like it's been said, she had financial issues with her ex-husband (civil judgments for not paying rent) and shoplifting. If I had the choice, I'd certainly take Door 2 and cook a couple pancakes every morning.

Especially considering the pancakes were only once in awhile when the kids visited. RN was hardly an indentured servant.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I can easily see JS concluding she killed herself because she was found hanging. It "looked" like a suicide.

It also contains tremendous touches making it appear to be a homicide. Double trouble, imo

 

[stilettos]

Well, fixing breakfast and watching kids in your (rich boyfriend's) Coronado beach side mansion is a bit more luxurious than waking up every morning at 6:00 a.m. (just guessing) to drive to your job as an eye technician and working 8 hours. And like it's been said, she had financial issues with her ex-husband (civil judgments for not paying rent) and shoplifting. If I had the choice, I'd certainly take Door 2 and cook a couple pancakes every morning.

I think that many women do take door number two as a choice and feel grateful for the benefit...at first it appears that money can make all things in life easier...but sometimes, you wake up to the reality that you have exchanged one form of bondage for another. Money does not buy happiness...all the fancy dinners and beautiful clothing in the world cannot make up for the lack of love or for controlling behavior. I know whereof I speak...the grass always looks greener. I would take modest success and a paid for home over balancing a million dollar property with all the trappings..it is work...unless you have the funds to hire others to care for the property and children...and then you have to deal with the loss of privacy these employees bring with them...double edged sword and all that. Still, crying in a benz v/s crying in a shelter are two different things.

 

[IWannaKnow]

OK, the amount and condition of the numerous contusions and lacerations on RZ concern me. Many are said to be blue. If Rebecca incurred all those when she (allegedly) swan dived off the balcony with a ligature around her neck impeding blood flow, how did she get all those blue contusions? And how about all the ones remarked as linear and closely grouped? I could accept some of these as a result of the bush/cactus below the balcony and/or perhaps the cement wall, but certainly not all of them, and certainly not all the linear ones. If Rebecca hit her head going over (as has been suggested by other posters), then her main contact with the building would have been her head with the balcony railing or supports as she went over. After that she would have been swinging freely and not bashing into the building/bushes and if she did, it wouldn't be over, and over, and over. So where the heck did all the abrasions and contusions come from? In all their varying shapes, sizes and colors? Fresh and red I could see. Blue? I need that explained to me. Also discusses hemorrhages without underlying skin changes. Hmmmm. Sunnie, can you help me here? I know she was alive when she went over, but for how long? Long enough to cause blue bruises???

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My understanding of this is the blue ones have to be older than the red ones. How does that work in this case?

From page 11, Back section - BBM:

On the lateral right thoracolumbar back there is a vertically oriented 3 1/2 x 3/4 inch patterned contusion. There is a vertically oriented linear component. There appear to be three thin linear components situated 1/4 inch apart.

How many closely grouped linear items do you see in this picture?
http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rzbalcony.jpg

I do not see anything in the picture of the balcony that could account for three thin linear components situated 1/4 inch apart. Did any of this stuff match up to the balcony railing or anything underneath the balcony? Shouldn't that be an important determination?

If Rebecca was only about 2 feet off the ground, why did AS need a table to cut her down? He was a tall man. He used a knife from the main house. So the main house wasn't locked.

The write up about the guest house is a joke. How is anyone supposed to figure out what that actually means? Were the clothes, make up remover and drink in the guest house or the main house? Was Rebecca changing and was surprised then and that was why she was nude? Clear beverage. What was it?!?! She didn't have alcohol in her system.

Their response to the questions in the autopsy is :Bennymonkey:

 

[Norwegian]

Don't know if it has been discussed, but about the message on the door, has there been any pictures of it?

I know RN's family said she never wrote in block letters, but if paint was used and you had to use a paintbrush block letters would be lots easier to paint than cursive writing.

If it was spray can paint on the other hand, then block letters makes no sense.

However, and I'm sure many of us have experienced this first hand, when we are angry or wanna make ourselves clear, we use capital letters = block writing.

Still think this was murder though.

 

[thinkingstraight]

Well she's still dead and we shouldn't continue to victimize her. These are two terrible and unnecessary deaths that I hope can soon allow all families to feel settled with the outcomes and allow some peace.

All this tip toeing about Rebecca? What for? Nobody's sparing any horrific judgment on AS, DS, JS, their minor children, LE. Honestly, all the cards should be on the table. We can't pick and choose the facts about something. I know nobody wants to believe anything bad about a beautiful woman - I get that. But, perhaps she had things in her past, sketchy stuff, volatile relationships, unsettled emotions, knowledge about bondage - unseemly things that DO contribute to this scene. Those should be discussed if they can help make sense of this suicide/murder. If not, then perhaps we should lay off on the awful suggestions people are making about AS, JS, DS, etc.

 

[IWannaKnow]

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblo...e-zahau-suicide-ruling-a-dangerous-precedent/
The Zahau Suicide Ruling: A Dangerous Precedent?

By Walter Mencken | Posted September 5, 2011, 12:18 p.m.

When pressed as to how the District Attorney's office managed to construe a man pouring gasoline on a woman and threatening to set her on fire as a suicide attempt, Watanable replied simply, "Why don't you ask the San Diego Sheriff's Department how they managed to conclude that Rebecca Zahau took her clothes off, bound her own hands and feet, then tied a rope to a bed, put a noose around her neck, stuffed a t-shirt in her mouth, left the bedroom, knocked herself in the head a couple of times, and then hurled herself over a balcony to her death? I think you'll find that the answers are remarkably similar."

 

[CocoChanel]

Respectfully sniipped by me....

Maxie's fall from such a height could have been prevented if the child had been supervised. LE has said there were no witnesses to Maxie's fall, therefore I concluded he wasn't being supervised. LE had no need to mention neglect for me to draw my own conclusion.

Also respectfully snipped by me:

What I'm saying is that she wasn't successful in keeping the heart pumping oxygenated blood because she didn't start CPR soon enough.

RN was a certified technician to eye surgeons. I think she knew proper CPR and the reason Max's brain was without oxygen is because she didn't start CPR soon enough. I have no idea where she really was when Max's accident happened but there is also no evidence of where she was other than what she told LE.

I am not comfortable making or reading conclusions that are so very inflammatory to a victim here. Whether RZ was a victim of suicide or not, she is still a 'victim'. Drawing conclusions that MS was gravely injured due to a total lack of supervision by RZ, and that his death was a result of her failure to do CPR correctly feels wrong in this public forum IMHO.

 

[Carioca]

Here's the response of the ME concerning some facts left out of their presentation last Friday:

Now I guess they're back to the bunker and wait for incoming......

Thanks for posting elementary! I had the SD Sheriff's Dept site on speed dial for so long, was so disgusted seeing JS's letter, finally closed the site down. Therefore, would have missed this...
May the games begin

 

[IWannaKnow]

BBM

All this tip toeing about Rebecca? What for? Nobody's sparing any horrific judgment on AS, DS, JS, their minor children, LE. Honestly, all the cards should be on the table. We can't pick and choose the facts about something. I know nobody wants to believe anything bad about a beautiful woman - I get that. But, perhaps she had things in her past, sketchy stuff, volatile relationships, unsettled emotions, knowledge about bondage - unseemly things that DO contribute to this scene. Those should be discussed if they can help make sense of this mistake. If not, then perhaps we should lay off on the awful suggestions people are making about AS, JS, DS, etc.

Do you have these things to contribute so we may discuss them? Because I haven't seen anything like that written about Rebecca aside from a shoplifting conviction and her ex getting evicted, unlike what has been uncovered about some of the other players in this drama. And, FWIW, I don't consider a woman hanging from a balcony a mistake. Someone CHOSE to do that. The question is WHO. I don't believe this has anything to do with her beauty. I believe most posters here are concerned with a miscarriage of justice. :twocents:

 

[thinkingstraight]

I wrote mistake and corrected it to murder/suicide. I believe it was a suicide but I AM keeping an open mind as new information comes in. <modsnp>

And every time someone tries to discuss what her background might be, someone comes out with the old "lets not victimize the victim" here. Or worse yet, gets put on "ignore". It kind of makes one hesitant to share their theory.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

:truce: Sounds like they are waving the white flag....lol.

It sounds like they are standing their ground to me.

They are sticking with their findings.

IMO

 

[Kateyes]

According to an article on CNN, the message on the wall stated "She saved him, can he save her". http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Officials-Update-Mansion-Mystery-Deaths-129112698.html.

I am intrigued by this message because it really doesn't make sense. The first part - " she saved him" really makes no sense because if she is RN then that is false because she did not save Max, as he died. If she is not RN, then who isbthe she referring to? And the part makes no sense at all. I wish I could figure out just what this message meant, because as it is written, it is not logical to the situation at all, IMO.

 

[jjenny]

According to an article on CNN, the message on the wall stated "She saved him, can he save her". http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Officials-Update-Mansion-Mystery-Deaths-129112698.html.

I am intrigued by this message because it really doesn't make sense. The first part - " she saved him" really makes no sense because if she is RN then that is false because she did not save Max, as he died. If she is not RN, then who isbthe she referring to? And the part makes no sense at all. I wish I could figure out just what this message meant, because as it is written, it is not logical to the situation at all, IMO.

It makes no sense to her family either. It's a very confusing message. I agree, she didn't save Max, and I can't believe "him" means JS.

 

[IWannaKnow]

I wrote mistake and corrected it to murder/suicide. I believe it was a suicide but I AM keeping an open mind as new information comes in. Which is more than I can say for some posters. (not specifically meaning you - to clarify)

And every time someone tries to discuss what her background might be, someone comes out with the old "lets not victimize the victim" here. Or worse yet, gets put on "ignore". It kind of makes one hesitant to share their theory.

I understand your concerns thinkingstraight. I haven't really noticed posters discussing her background though, only whether or not she was negligent or responsible for Max's death. Even if she were, that does not justify murdering her. I've followed this thread pretty closely and haven't seen any real discussion of her background. I think if you bring factual items (with links) to the table to discuss, those are considered. I did not mean to imply that anyone with a counter theory be put on the ignore list and apologize if you took it that way.

 

[JBean]

I wrote mistake and corrected it to murder/suicide. I believe it was a suicide but I AM keeping an open mind as new information comes in. <modsnip>

And every time someone tries to discuss what her background might be, someone comes out with the old "lets not victimize the victim" here. Or worse yet, gets put on "ignore". It kind of makes one hesitant to share their theory.

Those are currently the rules in place.We are a victim friendly forum.
But-if you have some factual information to support the background information that you are suggesting-then certainly post it and we can move forward with discussion.

additionally it is a violation to discuss other members.

the topic is not WS members but rather this accident/suicide situation.
Thanks and hth.

 

[Salem]

I removed some posts earlier regarding bondage but forgot to put a warning in the thread. So here is the warning -

Discussing the intimate life of JS and RN is OFF THE TABLE. We are NOT going there. There is nothing from anyone, MSM OR LE or anyone else that gives us room to speculate about such things at this time.

If something comes out in the MSM, this rule could change but for now, the discussion is off the table.

Salem

 

[deanna82437]

I'm just catching up .. you all were busy last night. If not done yet, you might want to google the investigating person, Lt. LN .. he was one busy person during those months. Overworked, perhaps?

Also some pay statistics for 2007, 2008 and 2009
http://sdsals.watchdoginstitute.org/sdsalaries/individual/nesbitlarry-d/

 

[coastal]

>>>snip
Another thing: did it occur to anyone that she might have loved that little boy? Maybe it was devastating to her that he was going to die, beyond any feelings of guilt she might have had.

Respectfully snipped, snapdragon2, and thank you for saying this thing that I think every time i try to imagine myself in Rebecca's circumstances. The "suicide from guilt over Max's accident/death" meme has never felt right to me; while I'm sure Rebecca must have felt a terrible sense of failed responsibility about Max and the particulars of his accident, as would any reasonable human in similar circumstances, IMO guilt is another thing entirely.

When I think about Rebecca's feelings, try to imagine them, I have the sense of an overwhelming sadness and grief over the loss of Max. I believe she loved him very much - perhaps enough so that she couldn't imagine a life without him to live in it with her. I believe she was completely heartbroken.