CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #10

[Stella5]

The cuts are explainable if she was hung. If she was killed another way, the cuts may be from another source. Also the bruises. IMO

So, why no broken neck?

Necks don't always break in a hanging death. I have links on my laptop I'll have to get tomorrow. I let my daughter borrow it to Skype my niece earlier and never got it back

I don't recall if I got it off AFSP or NIMH or somewhere else or I'd try to find it for you quickly.

Honestly I'd rather this be a homicide, it's much easier to accept than a young, vibrant person with their entire life ahead of them choosing to end it all. Maybe I'm jaded because I have seen so many extremely strange suicides in the last almost 5 years. This rings suicide to me. To be a grief or vengeance killing of Rebecca was too quick IMO.

 

[Stella5]

The tape residue and the four head injuries. Those are the problems.

The tape residue is easy... it's small tape and it's on her shins. She had shin splints, she was a runner and was reported to have an on-going limp. The tape did not go around her legs as if she was bound. It's residue from taping the splints.

The head injuries are small according to the AR and IMO were inflicted as she fell quickly over the balcony. To launch herself from her left hip head first her head would have had to hit the balcony railing and the iron around the balcony.

Good night... I have a little one with asthma that I'm having to nebulize around the clock every 2 hours... time for more "dragon air".

 

[MyBelle]

The tape residue and the four head injuries. Those are the problems.

I don't view the head injuries as a problem because she may have hit during the fall from the balcony or she may have hit herself. The tape has no explanation but she may have applied it just to confuse investigators.

I think there are only two possibilities: homicide from someone who wants revenge on JS or suicide by RN, made to look like a ritualistic killing.

I think the RN family's idea of a forensic psychological analysis is an excellent idea and will answer a lot of questions one way or the other.

JMO

 

[tvscum]

The tape residue is easy... it's small tape and it's on her shins. She had shin splints, she was a runner and was reported to have an on-going limp. The tape did not go around her legs as if she was bound. It's residue from taping the splints.

The head injuries are small according to the AR and IMO were inflicted as she fell quickly over the balcony. To launch herself from her left hip head first her head would have had to hit the balcony railing and the iron around the balcony.

Good night... I have a little one with asthma that I'm having to nebulize around the clock every 2 hours... time for more "dragon air".

So she hit her head four times on the balcony on the way down?

See balcony photos below:

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5...MjY5NjBkMjQ2MDdi&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5...YTM5ZWZiYTBmOTc5&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5...ZjM1NjRjYjI5Mzk4&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5...NzE1M2FhYjlkOTFk&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5...OTAyNzA2ZTkwMjIx&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5...OGYzM2E4ZDRkODE3&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

FYI, the last two photos on the list were taken months before the deaths.

 

[SunnieRN]

So she hit her head four times on the balcony on the way down?

See balcony photos below:

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5...MjY5NjBkMjQ2MDdi&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5...YTM5ZWZiYTBmOTc5&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5...ZjM1NjRjYjI5Mzk4&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5...NzE1M2FhYjlkOTFk&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5...OTAyNzA2ZTkwMjIx&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B5...OGYzM2E4ZDRkODE3&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

FYI, the last two photos on the list were taken months before the deaths.

The only way I could see that happening is with a bungee type of rope, which would make her bounce.

 

[SunnieRN]

Stella, I hope your wee one gets better quickly!! Asthma is a horribly scary disease! I love your 'dragon air' description, for the neb treatments! That is adorable!

Sweet dreams.

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

I don't view the head injuries as a problem because she may have hit during the fall from the balcony or she may have hit herself. The tape has no explanation but she may have applied it just to confuse investigators.

I think there are only two possibilities: homicide from someone who wants revenge on JS or suicide by RN, made to look like a ritualistic killing.

I think the RN family's idea of a forensic psychological analysis is an excellent idea and will answer a lot of questions one way or the other.

JMO

She could have confused everyone a lot more if she had used gloves to prepare everything. It doesn't seem like she cared about leaving prints all over the place. This is to address the theory that she intended to make it look like murder. Unless she's thinking that the killer would go around the room and touch her hands onto everything to leave her prints and make it look like a suicide. I guess you can follow that logic all the way down the rabbit hole.

What exactly is a 'ritualistic killing'?

 

[10-6Mom]

More puzzles...

Apparently medical examiner made a major typo in the "suicide" message ("YOU" instead of "HE")? Any other mistakes?

Could AS suitcase have been in one guest house bedroom but AS slept in the room with the unmade bed?

Could the clothes have been those of GS left behind from prior visit?

I am trying to catch up, so sorry if this has already been brought up. Page 4 under "scene notes" he refers to San Diego Sheriffs Office and the "Carlsbad Police Department". I could be wrong, but I was not aware that Carlsbad PD was involved in this case. Is this another error? I have to re-read this report tomorrow when I can truly concentrate on it, but what I read it does not
appear they did much evidence collection off of RN. Under her fingernails, matching up partial footprints on balcony, and did they ever verify that the blood located on her was her blood? Was the black paint markings located on her body consistent with the height of the writings on the door? Hopefully the investigation reports will be available soon! Lots of questions in my mind! Don't
get me wrong I am a big supporter of LE, but something is not right here! As difficult as it is for me to remember sometimes, how our wonderful Justice system is set up....one is truly innocent until proven guilty. To me this is truly a homicide or at the minimum suspicious death, until they can prove it was a suicide and IMO they have not proven it!

 

[MyBelle]

She could have confused everyone a lot more if she had used gloves to prepare everything. It doesn't seem like she cared about leaving prints all over the place. This is to address the theory that she intended to make it look like murder. Unless she's thinking that the killer would go around the room and touch her hands onto everything to leave her prints and make it look like a suicide. I guess you can follow that logic all the way down the rabbit hole.

What exactly is a 'ritualistic killing'?

My point was that the evidence does not support her hanging was made to look like a suicide. It points to a suicide being made to look like a homicide.

The Manson murders were ritualistic killings done by outsiders. Dr. Jeffrey McDonald staged his family murders to look like a ritualistic killing with messages written for LE to find. So did Chris Coleman. Both men were charged and convicted of murder. LE has cleared DS and JS so either it was done by an outsider or RN herself.


JMO

 

[tvscum]

I am trying to catch up, so sorry if this has already been brought up. Page 4 under "scene notes" he refers to San Diego Sheriffs Office and the "Carlsbad Police Department". I could be wrong, but I was not aware that Carlsbad PD was involved in this case. Is this another error? I have to re-read this report tomorrow when I can truly concentrate on it, but what I read it does not
appear they did much evidence collection off of RN. Under her fingernails, matching up partial footprints on balcony, and did they ever verify that the blood located on her was her blood? Was the black paint markings located on her body consistent with the height of the writings on the door? Hopefully the investigation reports will be available soon! Lots of questions in my mind! Don't
get me wrong I am a big supporter of LE, but something is not right here! As difficult as it is for me to remember sometimes, how our wonderful Justice system is set up....one is truly innocent until proven guilty. To me this is truly a homicide or at the minimum suspicious death, until they can prove it was a suicide and IMO they have not proven it!

That Carlsbad note must be a typo.

 

[coastal]

Psssst, Cynic is a genius!!!
And I agree, we really need his help to understand all of this!

Cynic is off to a great start, too! Thank you, Cynic!

Your post gave me the perfect opportunity to say thank you to you, too, SunnieRN, for all of the very helpful knowledge you've been sharing with us in these threads. If I may say so, you should teach, if you don't already. You have helped make the disturbing details of Rebecca's and Max's deaths much more clear for me, and your obvious respect for them shines through every post. Very nice!

 

[cali_mommy]

She had just taken a shower so there would be NO residue imo

 

[deanna82437]

Okay, been snooping around and saw this .. the top pic was taken in the morning by a news helicopter .. doors closed, no rope. Bottom pic is the one from the PC with the rope.

https://viewer.zoho.com/docs/xJBccc

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

My point was that the evidence does not support her hanging was made to look like a suicide. It points to a suicide being made to look like a homicide.

The Manson murders were ritualistic killings done by outsiders. Dr. Jeffrey McDonald staged his family murders to look like a ritualistic killing with messages written for LE to find. So did Chris Coleman. Both men were charged and convicted of murder. LE has cleared DS and JS so either it was done by an outsider or RN herself.


JMO

I see your point and thanks for the clarification. I guess I'm thinking if she wanted to make it look more like a homicide - she wouldn't have left so many prints. I would be surprised if she came up with the idea of leaving tape residue on her legs as a diversion tactic.

I guess a basic question is if this is suicide do people generally feel that she intended to make it look like murder or was the way she executed this plan something that would require more psycho-forensics (not sure if that's a word) to fully understand?

 

[MyBelle]

I see your point and thanks for the clarification. I guess I'm thinking if she wanted to make it look more like a homicide - she wouldn't have left so many prints. I would be surprised if she came up with the idea of leaving tape residue on her legs as a diversion tactic.

I guess a basic question is if this is suicide do people generally feel that she intended to make it look like murder or was the way she executed this plan something that would require more psycho-forensics (not sure if that's a word) to fully understand?

I think her family needs the psych analysis before they'll accept suicide.

The only way not to leave fingerprints would be if she wore gloves and no gloves were found in the room.

JMO

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

I think her family needs the psych analysis before they'll accept suicide.

The only way not to leave fingerprints would be if she wore gloves and no gloves were found in the room.

JMO

If I were trying to make my suicide look like a homicide I wouldn't leave gloves in the room. I would do all the things I needed to do then put the gloves back where the belonged. Anyway the point is I don't think she went out of her way to make it look like murder except for the obvious - the binding and gagging. Once you look for further supporting evidence of suicide staged as murder - what is the single most compelling piece of evidence? The cryptic message? The exactness of the rope lengths? The apparent sophistication of knots? I guess I feel like either she didn't really think about a deeper level of staging or didn't care.

 

[cali_mommy]

Imo she had no reason to be angry with anyone, so why try to make your suicide look like murder? Because of religious beliefs?? Last time I checked god sees all and hears all, so no dice there. Others did have a reason to be angry with her validated or not. So there lives motive imo

 

[Money Girl]

I think her family needs the psych analysis before they'll accept suicide.

The only way not to leave fingerprints would be if she wore gloves and no gloves were found in the room.

JMO

The murderer took the gloves with him/her.

 

[cali_mommy]

The cryptic message reminds me very much of the movie Saw.

 

[Bonepile]

Every picture that I have seen of Rebecca shows her wearing make up, and lots of it. Nothing about the state of her body makes sense to me. Whatever she was/was't in life, she didn't deserve to be left in the blazing sun for 12 hours. It makes me sick to think of the complete lack of respect her naked/battered body was shown. Surely someone could have covered her. What's the owner of the house gonna do,sue someone for covering his girlfriends body? Pathetic. I thought police officers are supposed to use their better judgement under circumstances such as this. How can anyone have ownership over someone's dead body? Would they have treated the home owner with such disregard? I think not. We all deserve respect in death, but I have seen animals treated better then this woman was.

Thank God I live on the East coast and will NOT be traveling to California in this lifetime. I want to be properly taken care of when I die and not left exposed in someone's yard for over 12 hours.