CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #11

[justice be served]

The room with the rope tied to the bed doesn't look "neat and orderly" either. Overturned chair, towel, paint brushes, knives, and a tube of paint on the floor.

Good point Jenny! I'd sure like to see the rest of the pictures of the house, guest house and garage. :maddening:

 

[jjenny]

Good point Jenny! I'd sure like to see the rest of the pictures of the house, guest house and garage. :maddening:

Exactly. My point is, I don't think we can read too much into "neat and orderly." LE might have trying to paint a picture of "no signs of struggle" that's all.

 

[sdcali]

Thank you Peaceful. They do look similar, but I notice the tubes are not exactly the same. So that paint is older. Wonder if they bothered to see if she had any other paint like that around the house or if that was the only tube. I know that doesn't prove anything, but I think serious painters like certain paints and tend to stick with them, correct?

The brand is Amsterdam.

 

[CocoChanel]

Good question. It's bothered several of us. I'm beginning to wonder if the ME put all that info out there so that it would raise questions about whether Max's fall really was an accident.

JMO

Wow, that would be a serious breach of public trust I would think. An ME report that is written in a such a way to raise specific questions rather than provide answers sounds very orchestrated to me, and not what I would hope or expect. Do you really think that was the intent?

 

[alexanderdavis]

Again, there is too much thought into this "suicide". A 5'3" person is not going to paint something at someone else's eye level. I'm 5'2" and that (my test) was uncomfortable at that level to paint!

I agree with you! A 5'3" person is not going to write the message higher as a favor to someone reading it..... Especially under stress and without the even flow a marker would have. Who would care about the height at such a moment. Maybe if I was planning a party and had lots of time to think about my guests.
And if a taller person did do it, I can not see him/her writing the message at her lower level to throw us off. I believe the height is the comfortable height of the person who wrote it.

How I wish we could see the actual painted letters. Did the letters show a comfortable, even flow to the paint? I wish they would release this info.
Someone might recognize the letter writing.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

When LE said "neat and orderly" I presume they were going for "no signs of struggle." For instance we have a description of one of rooms in the guest house with female clothing on the floor. Is that neat and orderly?

I wasnt talking about the guest house.

I was talking about the main house and the garage area. I would think JS and Rebecca kept the home very neat.

Guest rooms in guest houses can get messy sometimes but usually after someone leaves the owner will have a maid come in later to clean it up neat again.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well to be fair it is a huge mansion and I very much doubt either LE or paramedics searched it at the time.

So you think they hid like criminals and were there but never went to see their half brother who was gravely injured?:waitasec: Why would they have to hide. Rebecca said Max had an accident and his last word was "Ocean."

I dont think they were there when Max fell.

IMO

 

[sdcali]

Good Morning fellow sleuthers!

After reading all the posts last night to catch up, I am having trouble with the LE scenario for Maxie. I get that he could have tripped over Ocean, and maybe what Rebecca remembers is that he yelled "Ocean!" as he fell over the bannister. I can imagine that he might have called out as the dog darted in front of him.

I doubt if he were on the scooter upstairs, that it would have launched over the railing. I think it would have been left upstairs.

The problem I have with the LE scenario is how far he launched, turned, hit the opposite bannister and bounced off landing face down (and bringing down the chandelier too). I don't believe foul play was involved in his fall, but I do have a lot of issues with the way LE presented the mechanics of his fall.

I cannot imagine the pain of losing a child or a sibling, and more so in the manner that MS and RZ lost their lives. Then, on top of it, to not have the answers that will bring closure. We all have the benefit that we are able to think clear headed without the pain of grief to cloud our focus. I hope, through our collective theories and sleuthing, we can help both families.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The room with the rope tied to the bed doesn't look "neat and orderly." Overturned chair, towel, paint brushes, knives, garbage bag and a tube of paint on the floor.

I dont think the room was in that condition before Rebecca started using the paint and tying the rope off.

IMO

 

[jjenny]

I dont think the room was in that condition before Rebecca started using the paint and tying the rope off.

IMO

But LE could only describe the house in the condition they found it in.

 

[Morag]

. (SNIP)

The LE says RNs teen sister was in home with RN when MS fell. Neighborhood teens who know GS implied she was in town, but gone before paramedics arrived. So, she must have had early flight back home that morning before the MS accident.
(SNIP)

BBM

Why don't they say she was gone before MS accident? XZ knows who was there and when they left that morning.

 

[jjenny]

So you think they hid like criminals and were there but never went to see their half brother who was gravely injured?:waitasec: Why would they have to hide. Rebecca said Max had an accident and his last word was "Ocean."

I dont think they were there when Max fell.

IMO

While I agree the above scenario would be extremely unlikely there are still unexplained things about both incidents. For instance the child feel face down. So he must have been turned onto his back to give him rescue breaths. So why was a scooter still across his shin? I simply don't know what to make of it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Saying that Rebecca had a close relationship with Max is one thing; saying "Dina was jealous of that relationship between her son, and Becky,” is another. That is a not-so-subtle dig at Dina that would lead many to think - well, if Dina was jealous of Rebecca, then maybe Dina was involved in Rebecca's death. It's statements like Mary Z-L's that plant seeds of doubt in people's minds and deflect from the facts of the case. Not to mention it's really a low blow to hurl at a grieving mother. IMO

ITA!

This could have only been said to hurt Dina Shacknai. Why else would someone say such a horrible thing?

While I know without a shadow of a doubt that my two stepdaughters loves me deeply....... I would never ever say such a thing as Rebecca's sister did for all the world to read. That is just plain mean and cruel to a mother who has lost her only child and Max is no longer living to even be able to tell everyone how much he truly loved his mom.

These were very insensitive.. hurtful statements which were highly unnecessary.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

While I agree the above scenario would be extremely unlikely there are so many bizarre things about both incidents. For instance the child feel face down. So he must have been turned onto his back. So why was a scooter still across his shin? I simply don't know what to make of it.

Didn't Rebeca say she didn't know if she found him on his back or face down?

I guess in the fall if the scooter was in his path he may have struck a part of it with his shin.

It seems to me if he lost his footing he would have gone over face down and the evidence I think supports that because the main injury other than his neck injury was a large abrasion to his face wasnt it?

IMO

 

[jjenny]

Didn't Rebeca say she didn't know if she found him on his back or face down?

I guess in the fall if the scooter was in his path he may have struck a part of it with his shin.

It seems to me if he lost his footing he would have gone over face down and the evidence I think supports that because the main injury other than his neck injury was a large abrasion to his face wasnt it?

IMO

His injuries are on his face from impact. He must have landed face down. The LE stimulation shows him landing face down. But to give him rescue breaths he would have to be turned over.

 

[sdcali]

The carpet appears very plush and it appears that footprints in the carpet are very noticeable. It would seem to be a obvious clue to the last person or persons in the bedroom than the staged (imo) footprints on the balcony.

I would hope that LE took overall photos of that room prior to entering and walking all over the carpet prints, but considering Officer Onefoot traipsed in and out of the room and onto the balcony, I seriously doubt there are photos like that.

I would still like to see more photos of the carpeted floor.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM

Why don't they say she was gone before MS accident? XZ knows who was there and when they left that morning.

I think the main thing is Rebecca was truthful when she said she and her sister were the only ones there when Max fell.

 

[jjenny]

The carpet appears very plush and it appears that footprints in the carpet are very noticeable. It would seem to be a obvious clue to the last person or persons in the bedroom than the staged (imo) footprints on the balcony.

I would hope that LE took overall photos of that room prior to entering and walking all over the carpet prints, but considering Officer Onefoot traipsed in and out of the room and onto the balcony, I seriously doubt there are photos like that.

I would still like to see more photos of the carpeted floor.

I seriously doubt it too. Coronado police department doesn't have much (if any) experience with murder investigations, I believe. Which could very well have affected how they treated a potential murder scene.

 

[SunnieRN]

I'm an artist and can answer the question about acrylic paint. Acrylic paint is a very common medium for artists to use. It can be used for posters, paintings, just about anything. It's a very thick paint that doesn't drip, but it can smear on your hands if you're generous in squeezing it from the tube.

Labels do often come off acrylic paints, if it's a glued label, particularly if it's got a single glued seam, so the lack of label doesn't bother me. In fact, nothing about the claims that Rebecca painted that message seem implausible to me. That doesn't mean that she did do it, just that it's not far fetched to imagine.

I am 5'3" tall and would have no problem painting a message on the same part of the door that Rebecca allegedly did. Again, did she do it? I don't know, but it's not out of the realm of likelihood.

Most artists, when painting signs or words, tend to use block letters, so the block letters aren't an issue either.

I guess the entire problem with this case, in my eyes, is the child's death. If only I could wrap my mind around what truly happened to him, I think everything else would fall into place. But since I can't accept the beginning of the story, I can't get to the ending, or so it seems.

My husband and I have two rambunctious boys. We both have a hard time believing Max's injuries happened the way that Rebecca claims they did. I'm not accusing her or anyone of anything. I just can't believe the child fell the way she claimed he did.

Rebecca did not claim Max's accident happened in any way. She stated she was in the downstairs bathroom and that she heard a crash, went out to find the scene as it was. What claims by Rebecca were you using as reference? Can you please post links to what she siad. TIA

The party was planned after Max was injured. It allegedly occured the night before Rebecca died. Even though people say they were invited to the party, and neighbors think there was a party, the police don't seem to think the party happened.

This is where I got the information from:

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/trainer-recalls-spreckels-victims-noticeable-limp

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This is the quote from the article:

He said he rarely had long conversations with Zahau, but did so last Saturday, when the woman excitedly discussed a party she was planning for Tuesday, which turned out to be the day before she died.

“She was really stoked about it,” he said.

But two days after Zahau's talk with Holman, Shacknai's 6-year-old son fell down a staircase in the mansion and suffered severe injuries. A kennel owner who visited with Zahau Tuesday said she was deeply shaken by the incident.

Investigators have said they do not believe the party took place.

Detectives briefly returned to the Spreckels mansion Friday, but little else was happening on the property Saturday morning.

Daisies in mixed bouquets sat on the lawn as part of a makeshift memorial. Two vans, one with California plates and another with Arizona plates, were parked in the driveway.


The only articles I have read referenced loud music from 1 to 1"30 am.

 

[Brit]

http://www.examiner.com/us-headlines-in-national/friend-rebecca-zahau-was-a-christian-and-knew-only-god-could-save


article about a dr. drew interview with RZ sister and close friend.