CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #11

[IWannaKnow]

Do we have any serious painters on the thread? I've been wondering exactly what kind of paint that is.....it is in a flip top tube. Is it acrylic? Is it even paint that a painter would use? I really don't know, and have been wondering. I thought oils came with screw caps. Stencil paint has flip tops, but not that shape bottle. I've tried to search photos to find a similar tube but no luck. Why isn't there a label on the bottle?

 

[SunnieRN]

One thing that surprised me is how small the guest room is. I thought it would be much wider than it was. It almost looked like an afterthought.

 

[IWannaKnow]

Excellent description! I think your evaluation brings this scenario back into play. Instead of clinging to the handlebar, the force against the handlebar could possibly have been enough. Was it Archimedes who said, "Give me a long enough lever (and a fulcrum) & I will lift the world."?

I also have to thank Quester for bringing the Hinky Meter link over and Val for her insightful evaluation (as I should have previously).

Thanks elfie. I couldn't have done it without the work Val did. She did an excellent job.

The scooter as a lever would propel Max much further than simply falling over the railing in my humble opinion. And I would think that the combination of a 7 pound scooter and a 45 pound boy would be enough to take the chandelier down with them.

Even if it could be proven that Rebecca killed Max intentionally or through negligence, two wrongs don't make a right. That ain't how we roll on WS.

 

[IWannaKnow]

One thing that surprised me is how small the guest room is. I thought it would be much wider than it was. It almost looked like an afterthought.

Yes, and IIRC that was a round table behind the door. Don't you think the overturned chair went with that table? How did it get across the room and on it's side? That didn't look suspicious to them? Was all the furniture in the house on it's side so that chair looked normal? :banghead:

FWIW, I don't have a single piece of furniture in my home on it's side. :innocent:

 

[SunnieRN]

Yes, and IIRC that was a round table behind the door. Don't you think the overturned chair went with that table? How did it get across the room and on it's side? That didn't look suspicious to them? Was all the furniture in the house on it's side so that chair looked normal? :banghead:

FWIW, I don't have a single piece of furniture in my home on it's side. :innocent:

:floorlaugh: I know I haven't told you today how much I appreciate you, but I do!!!

 

[IWannaKnow]

:floorlaugh: I know I haven't told you today how much I appreciate you, but I do!!!

:hug:

 

[sdcali]

I agree it is a possible explanation for a head injury but the four separate head injuries don't seem so easily explainable to me.

If she were leaned over the railing and flipped over, could her head have hit the iron scrolling on the balcony with enough force to cause the bruising? I wonder if the bruises match up with any of the design of the scrolls?

 

[sdcali]

After reading Max's AR and/or ME report, I am perplexed by something. The AR describes Max as landing face first onto the ground. The AR/ME mentions that Rebecca began Rescue Breathing on Max, however, he would need to be on his back to do so...
If he landed face first (poor thing, so sad), she would have had to turn him over onto his back to perform Rescue Breathing/CPR. Yet if this transpired, how did the scooter end up on his shin (according to the report) when the EMT's arrived? Perhaps I did not comprehend the report...has this bothered anyone else?

I have had problems with parts of both of the AR. One thing I thought about the scooter resting on his shin, was if when he landed, he hit the scooter in that area and it flipped part of it on top of him?

 

[IWannaKnow]

If she were leaned over the railing and flipped over, could her head have hit the iron scrolling on the balcony with enough force to cause the bruising? I wonder if the bruises match up with any of the design of the scrolls?

That is an interesting question, 'cause I think that if she had such contact with that very distinctive pattern, that should have transfered over. The only things I saw over and over in the AR were "linear". I don't know about you, but I don't see much linear in that railing, nor the plants below.

 

[sdcali]

whew...I have finally caught up (after the blackout delay here in San Diego, a long busy day at work and an evening out to relax) and now I am going to have to say goodnight.

I bet I will be playing catch up again tomorrow morning!

Welcome to the new posters! So much great new perspectives!

TTFN! :seeya:

 

[SunnieRN]

Also, these could have caused loss of consciousness. The only thing that makes sense to me is if someone actually hit her on the head, hit her head by dropping her against something, or if they attached the rope to her throat, and lowered her from the balcony, thereby suffocating her, but perhaps they lost their grip, or she started to slide too fast, so they pulled her up and hit her head on the underside of the balcony and or supports.

 

[Peaceful]

Do we have any serious painters on the thread? I've been wondering exactly what kind of paint that is.....it is in a flip top tube. Is it acrylic? Is it even paint that a painter would use? I really don't know, and have been wondering. I thought oils came with screw caps. Stencil paint has flip tops, but not that shape bottle. I've tried to search photos to find a similar tube but no luck. Why isn't there a label on the bottle?

I am 99% sure it's acrylic & recently saw tubes just like it at my local hobby store.

 

[IWannaKnow]

I don't want to muddy the waters, but I have to point this out.
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AIRHEAD® Bungee Tube Tow Rope - Add a little extra zing and excitement to your tubing! This 9/16” x 50 ft. tube rope has a 3/8” diameter bungee cord spliced inside. It’s rated at 4,150 pounds tensile strength, conforming to WSIA recommendations for 1 - 4 rider tubes. You’ll enjoy brief surges of speed as the bungee stretches and contracts. It reduces wear and tear on tubes and riders too, by absorbing sudden jerks from slack in the line.

Not saying that was the rope used on Rebecca, we really know very little to nothing about that rope, but I found it and had to put it out on the table for discussion. Bungee tow ropes....who knew? :dunno:

 

[IWannaKnow]

I am 99% sure it's acrylic & recently saw tubes just like it at my local hobby store.

So, I've read rumors that Rebecca painted. Have we had that verified? Did she paint with acrylic paints? Could you tell what the brand was Peaceful? Was that the type of paint she would have used? In other words, she wouldn't use stencil paint to paint pictures with....

 

[SophieRose]

One thing that surprised me is how small the guest room is. I thought it would be much wider than it was. It almost looked like an afterthought.

That guest room and the room next to it which share a bathroom were the maids quarters and the entry to that section is a staircase from the butler's pantry.

 

[Peaceful]

Do we have any serious painters on the thread? I've been wondering exactly what kind of paint that is.....it is in a flip top tube. Is it acrylic? Is it even paint that a painter would use? I really don't know, and have been wondering. I thought oils came with screw caps. Stencil paint has flip tops, but not that shape bottle. I've tried to search photos to find a similar tube but no luck. Why isn't there a label on the bottle?

you can Google Master's Touch acrylic paint & see very similar examples. hope that helps.

 

[SunnieRN]

I don't want to muddy the waters, but I have to point this out.
Amazon.com: Kwik Tek Airhead Bungee Tube Tow Rope 50 ft: Sports & Outdoors



Not saying that was the rope used on Rebecca, we really know very little to nothing about that rope, but I found it and had to put it out on the table for discussion. Bungee tow ropes....who knew? :dunno:

Ok, I know I'm old and not too adventurous, but this stuff sounds dangerous!! I wonder if it could bungee you into an oncoming boat, or close to the motor, or???

 

[IWannaKnow]

Do we have any serious painters on the thread? I've been wondering exactly what kind of paint that is.....it is in a flip top tube. Is it acrylic? Is it even paint that a painter would use? I really don't know, and have been wondering. I thought oils came with screw caps. Stencil paint has flip tops, but not that shape bottle. I've tried to search photos to find a similar tube but no luck. Why isn't there a label on the bottle?

you can Google Master's Touch acrylic paint & see very similar examples. hope that helps.

Thank you Peaceful. They do look similar, but I notice the tubes are not exactly the same. So that paint is older. Wonder if they bothered to see if she had any other paint like that around the house or if that was the only tube. I know that doesn't prove anything, but I think serious painters like certain paints and tend to stick with them, correct?

 

[SunnieRN]

That guest room and the room next to it which share a bathroom were the maids quarters and the entry to that section is a staircase from the butler's pantry.

Thank you Sophie Rose!! At least they had their own rooms! I'm surprised they didn't stay in the apartment over the garage?

 

[IWannaKnow]

That guest room and the room next to it which share a bathroom were the maids quarters and the entry to that section is a staircase from the butler's pantry.

Thank you SophieRose!!! I've been wondering that since I saw the floor plans. I knew it wasn't a hallway but couldn't figure it out. What is the closest exterior door to that stairway? And why would she be there, of all places? If she were that bent on humiliating herself, why not use the cement balustrade over the den? Face the street and the ocean?

Curiouser and curiouser.