CA-Sandra Cantu, 8 missing 3/27/09 from Tracy,#1

[ilovemew]

On the tape is Sandra heading back towards her friend's house after she went home for a few minutes? Is her MH close to the front of the community?

 

[nursebeeme]

not sure about the credibility of the paper......altho it was in a news report I linked somewhere in here (nurse has blonde moment in relocating the link)

 

[Nora Charles]

Great summary, Nursebeeme! I have a question and a comment on what I snipped below.

First, are you sure the "movie conversation" was during the five minute visit home? For some reason I thought that was before she went to her friend's house, and I also thought the mom didn't even notice she was there for the five minute visit. I don't want to confuse myself (or anyone else!)and you've obviously retained more than I did. I want to clarify this so I'm not offtrack.

Second, the delivery people is a GREAT lead to follow!! I know all mobile home parks are different but I know of a couple parks that have these rules: all mail delivered to the office (USPS/UPS/FED EX - residents have boxes there), all delivery or maintenance vehicles of ANY kind must sign in with office. (The two parks I know about did not have security gates so it was a rule that could have been broken, but still it would be something to go on.) It would be nice if this park had a log LE could check!

Thanks, Nursebeeme!!!

She goes home....the camera sees her do this and she goes inside. She talks with her sibs about going to see a movie but is told she doesn't have enough money... this takes under five minutes... she goes back out to play and heads in the other direction away from the front gate and the camera sees her go.


I think someone in that park is good for this.... or perhaps it was a delievery driver... wonder what time ups etc makes deliveries there? Have they checked the mailman? How about the property owner/manager?

Were there any landscapers in there at the time? How about construction or contractors?

 

[nursebeeme]

Great summary, Nursebeeme! I have a question and a comment on what I snipped below.

First, are you sure the "movie conversation" was during the five minute visit home? For some reason I thought that was before she went to her friend's house, and I also thought the mom didn't even notice she was there for the five minute visit. I don't want to confuse myself (or anyone else!)and you've obviously retained more than I did. I want to clarify this so I'm not offtrack.

Second, the delivery people is a GREAT lead to follow!! I know all mobile home parks are different but I know of a couple parks that have these rules: all mail delivered to the office (USPS/UPS/FED EX - residents have boxes there), all delivery or maintenance vehicles of ANY kind must sign in with office. (The two parks I know about did not have security gates so it was a rule that could have been broken, but still it would be something to go on.) It would be nice if this park had a log LE could check!

Thanks, Nursebeeme!!!

Nora, let me see if I can scroll back and find that link about her afternoon... there were several conflicting reports on mom....first she is there but didn't hear her...then she heard her but didn't see her....then the sibs saw her and talked about movies.... the report with grandpa was where he recounted the afternoon (I tend to believe him at this point)

great info on deliveries....I wonder if they have their mailboxes in that central building at the front and possibly sign for packages there? I wonder if they have an onsite repair person???? will brb with that post from grandpa....

 

[nursebeeme]

I found this article very interesting. It includes what Sandra was doing and where some of the other family members were at the time of her vanishing into thin air http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090331/A_NEWS02/903310332/-1/A_NEWS


this does not sound to me like a little girl running away....just a little girl going back outside to play....

whew!!!!! (nurse wipes sweat from brow) here is that dammmm post, Nora LOL.....sorry it took me so long.....

 

[Nora Charles]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!! I appreciate your long trek into the deep, dark corners of WS. That article helps me a lot, and clarifies some points that I obviously had wrong. I'm going to go back and read it AGAIN - maybe it will stick this time! LOL

Thanks again! I appreciate your help!! :blowkiss:

 

[nursebeeme]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!! I appreciate your long trek into the deep, dark corners of WS. That article helps me a lot, and clarifies some points that I obviously had wrong. I'm going to go back and read it AGAIN - maybe it will stick this time! LOL

Thanks again! I appreciate your help!! :blowkiss:

You are welcome Miss Nora Canora! :blowkiss: I do not know why this case has got me ws~bonkers! I think it has a lot to do with the fact that my son is the same age and very, very friendly......even tho I tell him over and over about strangers I could just see him trusting everyone and anyone! I think with this school age group of kids they trust, trust, trust to a fault generally speaking.

The other reason this hits close to home is because in our on post military communities our kids play outside in the hood from the second they get their homework done..... one of my neighbors has a cow bell that she dings to call her four kids home! We always joke and say it is like back in the good ole days.... everyone knows one another and all the kids do and they play and ride bikes...and come home for dinner. This case has really brought home to me that just because you have security (in our cases guards at all the gates...in Sandra's case one entrance with cameras and a camera on her own home) and gates around your children it does not mean that evil cannot lurk from within. I really do think the evil came from within here....

sorry to ramble....

 

[Kentjbkent]

When asked if he knew the girl at all, Wohler told ABC7, "No clue. I wish I did. I have no clue."

Wohler, who lives by himself in the mobile home park, says police questioned him for hours about 8-year-old Sandra Cantu who has been missing since Friday.

"We became friends, she'd come to my house and property asking if I needed any help. I had her water my plants," said Wohler.

About two years ago, Sandra's grandmother says she got upset after Wohler kissed Sandra on the lips at the community swimming pool.

Explaining why he kissed the girl, Wohler said he was "being friendly and nice. It's kind of my nature. And I haven't talked to her since. I've seen her around the park, but that's it." He went on to say, "A little kiss that happened on the lips. That's all."


This is was taken from the local newsclip on page 12 of this thread...

Anyone else noticed MANY inconsistencies in this guys statement to the reporter? First states he had "no clue" who the girl is, then immediately after states that she was a "friend" who would come by his house and property to help him water, THEN immediately states he hasn't spoken to her since the kissing incident two years prior????

 

[SuziQ]

Kent, good catch. For some reason I remember the quote about wishing he knew her coming from Chris Sinclair. I think it was in one of the vids I watched yesterday. If it is Wohler saying it. You are correct, very odd.

 

[nursebeeme]

When asked if he knew the girl at all, Wohler told ABC7, "No clue. I wish I did. I have no clue."

Wohler, who lives by himself in the mobile home park, says police questioned him for hours about 8-year-old Sandra Cantu who has been missing since Friday.

"We became friends, she'd come to my house and property asking if I needed any help. I had her water my plants," said Wohler.

About two years ago, Sandra's grandmother says she got upset after Wohler kissed Sandra on the lips at the community swimming pool.

Explaining why he kissed the girl, Wohler said he was "being friendly and nice. It's kind of my nature. And I haven't talked to her since. I've seen her around the park, but that's it." He went on to say, "A little kiss that happened on the lips. That's all."


This is was taken from the local newsclip on page 12 of this thread...

Anyone else noticed MANY inconsistencies in this guys statement to the reporter? First states he had "no clue" who the girl is, then immediately after states that she was a "friend" who would come by his house and property to help him water, THEN immediately states he hasn't spoken to her since the kissing incident two years prior????

kent! wow! Yes, this guy seems shady and evasive and very contradictory! So he doesn't even know her but kisses her on the lips. I also noticed in his interviews that he never once expressed concern for her well being like saying.....I hope she is okay.... I hope she is safe, etc... all he has concern for is defending himself... which sure any innocent person would be...

if we compare him and Sinclair....at least Sinclair said he had a few drinks because he was upset over the whole ordeal ...altho not necessarily the best time to go all balistic on investigators...

This wohler guy creeps me out in looks, stance, verbal response, and past actions. Is he the reason for the latest LE statement that they are tightening their case? hmmmm.

great find kent!

 

[Kat]

When asked if he knew the girl at all, Wohler told ABC7, "No clue. I wish I did. I have no clue."

Wohler, who lives by himself in the mobile home park, says police questioned him for hours about 8-year-old Sandra Cantu who has been missing since Friday.

"We became friends, she'd come to my house and property asking if I needed any help. I had her water my plants," said Wohler.

About two years ago, Sandra's grandmother says she got upset after Wohler kissed Sandra on the lips at the community swimming pool.

Explaining why he kissed the girl, Wohler said he was "being friendly and nice. It's kind of my nature. And I haven't talked to her since. I've seen her around the park, but that's it." He went on to say, "A little kiss that happened on the lips. That's all."


This is was taken from the local newsclip on page 12 of this thread...

Anyone else noticed MANY inconsistencies in this guys statement to the reporter? First states he had "no clue" who the girl is, then immediately after states that she was a "friend" who would come by his house and property to help him water, THEN immediately states he hasn't spoken to her since the kissing incident two years prior????

He gives me a bad feeling. I'm going to go snoop on him. I'll let you all know if I find anything interesting. (Don't worry, I won't use his full name)

 

[Kentjbkent]

I think I also saw Chris S state that in a video yesterday(wish he knew the girl). Here is the link to the video and transcript of the news story I was referring to from today.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=6738066

 

[Kentjbkent]

He gives me a bad feeling. I'm going to go snoop on him. I'll let you all know if I find anything interesting. (Don't worry, I won't use his full name)

I just checked Pacer and nothing on him there...unless Frank is a middle name or nickname....

 

[nursebeeme]

lol Kat! you go girl!

I am soooo hoping we do not end up needing a spotlite case thread for this. I hope LE can solve this soon........

 

[nursebeeme]

could Frank be a short for Francis? Also I am going to check military Database for him.....he comes off as military to me

 

[Nora Charles]

It sure has my attention also for some reason. I live in California and lived in a mobile home park in the past, so maybe that's what is drawing me. Maybe it's because she reminds me of one of my daughter's best friends when they were kids (although somehow Sandra looks older than eight to me!). I do wish more people would brainstorm on this thread.

Now that my timeline is a bit more clear, I'm thinking about the trashcans since LE are searching the dump area. I think most mobile home parks use the large dumpsters rather than individual trash cans, so if they trace something back to the MHP I wonder if they can trace it back to the individual home/person? (I'm thinking if something was dumped by itself, rather than in the kitchen trash can with mail, etc. which would make it obvious.)

 

[nursebeeme]

http://tracypress.com/index.php?opt...ubmit=Search&searchphrase=all&ordering=newest

I just looked him up on the www.tracypress.com link to see if he was in the local paper... there is a bunch of sports stuff but also some strange comments he made...one was about a spelling bee!

 

[nursebeeme]

EDITOR,
It’s too bad for the young student who misspelled the word "cravat" at the Tracy Unified School District spelling bee. In English, it is spelled that way. In France, it would be "cravate," which comes from the Croat word "kravata."
Many European languages use this term for "necktie." If the word "crevant" were used, no accent would be necessary. Oh, well, thank goodness for spell-check!

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Frank Wohler, Tracy​

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http://tracypress.com/content/view/12340/2244/

perhaps one of his martial arts students was in the spelling bee? or he likes functions with children? who the heck knows at this point. He seems intellectual and well traveled from the way he writes.​

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[ilovemew]

lol Kat! you go girl!

I am soooo hoping we do not end up needing a spotlite case thread for this. I hope LE can solve this soon........

I know nursebeeme! I was doing my pics for my signature below and I thought for a minute, should I add on Sandra but I just couldn't do it. I'm so hoping this gets solved quickly! Also when did LE say they had no reason to believe she is not alive? If this weird martial arts guy is in fact part of this, it doesn't look good for her. If he's out and about than where is she, who is taking care of her, feeding her etc... :shakehead:

 

[Kat]

Pipl identifying his first name as Francis.

Middle Initial as T

DOB JUL 1949

Google his name and his profession and there is a picture of him.