Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #22

[Dushi]

Early on, Bosenko said, "It was not a symbol but it was a message".

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sherri-papini-sheriff-abducted-california-mom-was-branded-by-captors/

Yes.
I guess if LE could figure out what the message is, they may be able to determine who the message was for.

 

[natsound]

How did the abductors know she would be in that location at that time?
Was this random?
Would they have taken any woman who happened to be alone on the street?

If someone was waiting, looking for her specifically, then its personal and someone knows why

You ask a lot of excellent questions that we've all battled with, since the beginning. Whatever happened to SP, or whatever she did on her own, or with other people, doesn't add up no matter which way you turn it. Not yet, anyway.

 

[DakotaMayi]

With sex-trafficking being officially ruled out AFAIK, I honestly can’t think of any motive other than revenge to account for 22 days worth of injuries and no ransom requested. But you’d think she’d have been told it was revenge and she’d be able to tell LE. Unless she’s afraid to. Or she has told them and they haven’t released that info...yet.

A Todd Koelhepp serial killer situation is possible, I suppose, in which case she is very fortunate to have survived relatively unscathed. It just doesn’t seem likely IMO.

Other than those two scenarios, there’s a “liaison gone bad” or Sherri doing all this to herself in bid for attention from KP and/or money. Or none of the above.

Yes, there are three main causes of these things, sex, money, revenge and none of them seem to quite fit here.

 

[Cannonball3804]

Scanner traffic is often incorrect, believe me. I work in a field where I hear it all the time. Yes, as SP's intimate life partner I think KP should have known where the hose clamps were on her body by the time he gave an interview.

Why do you think there's a possibility that she had hose clamps on her wrists and ankles? I'm willing to explore that if you've seen it in a recent article, or a quote from LE? I have seen an article today where Sgt. Jackson says hose clamps were on her ankles but the clamps weren't bound to each other. I didn't see anything about hose clamps on her wrists and ankles. I definitely want to check that out.

Remember, her left hand was tethered to the chain somehow. How would it be tethered? They could have used a worm gear hose clamp on her wrist. It has a screw. Maybe they threaded the screw thru a link of the chain and then tightened it into the clamp.

So I like the idea of clamps on one or both wrists for tethering, and then clamps on the ankles for pain compliance.

 

[Cannonball3804]

Perhaps the tattoo is a gang symbol

First, LE has always said it was a message and not a symbol.

Second, LE has an extensive database of known gang symbols and tattoos. If the tattoo were a gang sign, they would know.

 

[bears10]

Remember, her left hand was tethered to the chain somehow. How would it be tethered? They could have used a worm gear hose clamp on her wrist. It has a screw. Maybe they threaded the screw thru a link of the chain and then tightened it into the clamp.

So I like the idea of clamps on one or both wrists for tethering, and then clamps on the ankles for pain compliance.

Her left hand was tethered to the chain around her waist with a zip tie.

When she was discovered, Papini was bound at the waist by a chain to which her left wrist was also tethered with a zip tie, authorities have said. Hose clamps were fixed to each of her ankles — though not binding them together — in what the Shasta County Sheriff’s Office later described as “pain compliance restraints.”

http://people.com/crime/investigator-explains-surveillance-video-sherri-papini-before-she-was-found/

 

[kirkassoc]

Remember, her left hand was tethered to the chain somehow. How would it be tethered? They could have used a worm gear hose clamp on her wrist. It has a screw. Maybe they threaded the screw thru a link of the chain and then tightened it into the clamp.



So I like the idea of clamps on one or both wrists for tethering, and then clamps on the ankles for pain compliance.

If that was her on the video, she had NO trouble running the morning she was found, IMHO. Where were the chains? Or, was it just that she had them on "prior" to being released by her abductors? So many questions...the more that's revealed the deeper the mystery, MOO

 

[Gardener1850]

Scanner traffic is often incorrect, believe me. I work in a field where I hear it all the time. Yes, as SP's intimate life partner I think KP should have known where the hose clamps were on her body by the time he gave an interview.

Why do you think there's a possibility that she had hose clamps on her wrists and ankles? I'm willing to explore that if you've seen it in a recent article, or a quote from LE? I have seen an article today where Sgt. Jackson says hose clamps were on her ankles but the clamps weren't bound to each other. I didn't see anything about hose clamps on her wrists and ankles. I definitely want to check that out.

I was looking for an older source, but this is from today:

“You can get the gist of some body movement,” says Shasta County sheriff’s Sgt. Brian Jackson. “I have no issues about her condition upon her being located seven minutes later. She is chained.”

When she was discovered, Papini was bound at the waist by a chain to which her left wrist was also tethered with a zip tie, authorities have said. Hose clamps were fixed to each of her ankles — though not binding them together — in what the Shasta County Sheriff’s Office later described as “pain compliance restraints.”

http://people.com/crime/investigator-explains-surveillance-video-sherri-papini-before-she-was-found/

While the above does not specify that the zip tie went through a hose clamp at her wrist, IMO, it makes sense that may have been the configuration to connect her wrist to the chain. Think of it like this--almost everytime in the past that "hose clamps on her wrists" was mentioned the article also mentioned the chain around her waist and implied it was somehow connected. However, when Jackson described the hose clamps around her ankles last week he specified that they were "pain compliance restraints" and no chain was mentioned. Now we have the above quote which specifies that her ankles were not bound together. If the report of hose clamps on her wrists was incorrect, why would they not correct that when releasing the info about her ankles? IMO it is because the ankle info is additional info, not contradicting info. JMO.

 

[rosesfromangels]

First, LE has always said it was a message and not a symbol.

Second, LE has an extensive database of known gang symbols and tattoos. If the tattoo were a gang sign, they would know.

I'm wondering what language it appeared to resemble

 

[natsound]

Remember, her left hand was tethered to the chain somehow. How would it be tethered? They could have used a worm gear hose clamp on her wrist. It has a screw. Maybe they threaded the screw thru a link of the chain and then tightened it into the clamp.

So I like the idea of clamps on one or both wrists for tethering, and then clamps on the ankles for pain compliance.

If hose clamps were on all of her extremities, why would LE only mention the hose clamps on her ankles in the most recent reports? I felt like they were clearing the record.

 

[Inthedetails]

I know there will be an outcry that the video is too fuzzy to tell anything and you might as well look for puppy-dog faces and the Loch Ness monster on the footage.....but....does it look like her left wrist is retrained while she is running? Does anyone here viewing the video on a big screen see anything?

jmopinion

 

[natsound]

I was looking for an older source, but this is from today:


http://people.com/crime/investigator-explains-surveillance-video-sherri-papini-before-she-was-found/

While the above does not specify that the zip tie went through a hose clamp at her wrist, IMO, it makes sense that may have been the configuration to connect her wrist to the chain. Think of it like this--almost everytime in the past that "hose clamps on her wrists" was mentioned the article also mentioned the chain around her waist and implied it was somehow connected. However, when Jackson described the hose clamps around her ankles last week he specified that they were "pain compliance restraints" and no chain was mentioned. Now we have the above quote which specifies that her ankles were not bound together. If the report of hose clamps on her wrists was incorrect, why would they not correct that when releasing the info about her ankles? IMO it is because the ankle info is additional info, not contradicting info. JMO.

I see it differently. I see it as LE clearing the record. I also see the zip tie holding her left wrist by itself.

"When she was discovered, Papini was bound at the waist by a chain to which her left wrist was also tethered with a zip tie, authorities have said. Hose clamps were fixed to each of her ankles — though not binding them together — in what the Shasta County Sheriff’s Office later described as “pain compliance restraints"."

 

[Inthedetails]

I know there will be an outcry that the video is too fuzzy to tell anything and you might as well look for puppy-dog faces and the Loch Ness monster on the footage.....but....does it look like her left wrist is retrained while she is running? Does anyone here viewing the video on a big screen see anything?

jmopinion

This link zooms in to her running. http://abc7.com/surveillance-video-shows-sherri-papinis-reappearance/2617981/

 

[bears10]

If hose clamps were on all of her extremities, why would LE only mention the hose clamps on her ankles in the most recent reports? I felt like they were clearing the record.

I agree. I don't see why they'd specifically mention a zip tie on her wrist, specifically mention the hose clamps around her ankles, but leave out that she had hose clamps on her wrists.

 

[Cannonball3804]

If hose clamps were on all of her extremities, why would LE only mention the hose clamps on her ankles in the most recent reports? I felt like they were clearing the record.

That's a good theory. It's maddening that reporters don't ask the right clarifying questions and it's left to us to try to guess.

So far I'm not seeing anything that would have kept her from running. Having one arm bound isn't going to stop you. Having just enough chain to go around your waist is going to add at most a few pounds of weight. Hose clamps on the ankles might chafe a bit. But she only ran a total of 100 yards so it's not like it was a 5k.

 

[Inthedetails]

If that was her on the video, she had NO trouble running the morning she was found, IMHO. Where were the chains? Or, was it just that she had them on "prior" to being released by her abductors? So many questions...the more that's revealed the deeper the mystery, MOO

I have so many questions too....but the one I keep coming back to is who would risk dropping her off unless this truly were an abduction?? I am skeptical of many parts of the story, but the thought that someone would put themselves at legal risk by pretending to abduct and release another person is just crazy.

I can't explain who would take her, why, etc....but I also can't explain who would release her.

My theory on the case remains: IDK

jmo

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Abbot and Costellot whos on first

Who's on first, what;s on second and I don't know is on third.
Costello - so me being a good catcher I pick up the ball and throw it to who.
Abbott - that's the first thing you've said right.
Costello - I don;t even know what I'm talking about!!!!

So the next batter hits a long fly to Becaus.
Why? I don't know he's on third and I don;t give a damn
What did you say?
I said I don;t give a damn
Ohh thats our shortstop

BBM: :happydance: . . . luv this show . . . :happydance:

:cheers:

 

[bears10]

I have so many questions too....but the one I keep coming back to is who would risk dropping her off unless this truly were an abduction?? I am skeptical of many parts of the story, but the thought that someone would put themselves at legal risk by pretending to abduct and release another person is just crazy.

I can't explain who would take her, why, etc....but I also can't explain who would release her.

My theory on the case remains: IDK

jmo

On the flip side, why would two gun toting kidnappers release someone they kidnapped and beat up over the course of 22 days. Why wouldn't they kill her? If SPs story is true, it seems like the younger one had no problem possibly killing her older accomplice, so why would she hesitate to kill SP?

 

[Gardener1850]

I see it differently. I see it as LE clearing the record. I also see the zip tie holding her left wrist by itself.

"When she was discovered, Papini was bound at the waist by a chain to which her left wrist was also tethered with a zip tie, authorities have said. Hose clamps were fixed to each of her ankles — though not binding them together — in what the Shasta County Sheriff’s Office later described as “pain compliance restraints"."

Why do you think they waited 11 months to correct it? For almost a year, most articles about this case said she had hose clamps on her wrists. Why would they "clear the record" now and NOT specify to the press that they are correcting the record? You may be right, but I expect that they will specify in an interview that they are correcting info instead of simply adding to the details not previously known. Hopefully they will clarify.

 

[evelezrn]

But it isn’t a legible message. After a year, LE still doesn’t know what it says.

Detectives themselves are working to decipher what the brand says. Jackson said it contained “obscure letters,” and Papini has allowed detectives to use “alternate light sources and filters” to try to make out what the markings are.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article180824671.html




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I know this might sound weird but... I've been a country girl most of my life so I've always thought a "brand" was "burned" into the skin. It seems it could mean cut too.