Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #9

[sumzero]

Why the long pause, then - like stopping to think "what should I say", "what can't I say", "what shouldn't I say" about where I was?

It was a straightforward question - at 3:20 remaining in the video (Facebook link below) - "where were you and when did you learn, of the good news?"

Her response - "um. . . (hesitates, sighs, looks up, looks down, closes eyes). . .I heard on Thanksgiving morning . . that she was found."

Interesting body language and definitely not joyous. It seems it would be impossible to hold in the exuberance and excitement.

I am NOT judging, I just find it interesting.

https://www.facebook.com/KRCR7/videos/1242684825786456/

Well, here's a thought. Maybe she was at a rendezvous location for the family, somewhere not known to the media. Maybe it is also the place where Keith and Sherri have now gone for peace and quiet. So, maybe Sheila was caught off-guard with the question, not wanting to lie but not wanting to tell the truth either, lest she risk sending the media in search of Keith and Sherri. I don't know. It's all conjecture.

 

[Cher352]

Trying my best to catch up but have some questions...

I saw the press conference from the Shasta County Sheriff Bosenka, he is from the county where Sherri lived right?

She was found in Yolo County where it was CHP that responded to the call. Was she taken to the Yolo County Sheriff department or directly back to Shasta County? Have either CHP or the Yolo County Sheriff's department made any statements?

And finally which of the (3) LE departments would have conducted those initial interviews with Sherri?

 

[JuryStillOut]

JuryStillOut??? That's the name I remember you by ... but I must confess, this rabbit hole has me delerious ... is that not your username?

OMG, I actually remembered? That would be amazing.
If you can wade through a million white pickup trucks on videotape and google earth-walking every side street, you'll be OK.
I still think about Mickey now & then. Especially that single video frame that looked like the truck hit her. Awful and sad.


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[Aeronomy]

This case only seems strange and odd and all the events surrounding it don't jive or make any real sense when I associate it as being an abduction. Yet, it makes so much sense and everything seems to jive and fit together nicely when I associate it as being something else. Yep.

 

[kammiemc]

Good point. One reason I doubt it's a hoax is that Sherri surely would've come up with a more believable story than being abducted in broad daylight by two Hispanic females. I could probably come up with a hundred stories more believable by the time I go to bed tonight. So, that makes me more inclined to believe Sherri, not less.

Maybe I am paranoid, but every time I jog or walk alone on a rural road I am half-thinking I could be abducted at any moment. And one time a weird dude did stop and ask me to help him find his wallet down in a ravine. Riiiiight.

Anyway, I can imagine my phone (and attached earphones being thrown frim my hand if someone grabbed me by surprise and wrestled me into a car. So that seems, at least at the surface, a reasonable scenario. The idea that the two abductors were females is just bizarre, especially if they were strangers.


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[Francesca]

If I was an abductor, I would certainly grab the phone but I would not leave the phone or anything else at the exact point of abduction. If I was going to throw something out the window at some point, as a misleading clue, it wouldn't be the phone.

 

[Lilibet]

Trying my best to catch up but have some questions...

I saw the press conference from the Shasta County Sheriff Bosenka, he is from the county where Sherri lived right?

She was found in Yolo County where it was CHP that responded to the call. Was she taken to the Yolo County Sheriff department or directly back to Shasta County? Have either CHP or the Yolo County Sheriff's department made any statements?

And finally which of the (3) LE departments would have conducted those initial interviews with Sherri?

My understanding is that she was taken to a nearby hospital. CHP and Yolo County would have been the first to talk to her. Her husband came from Redding and at some point she returned there (I think). At the news conference Sheriff Bosenko sounded like he was relaying info received from the initial responders. Neither CHP nor Yolo Sheriff have made any statements that I have heard of. I am sure they are still investigating in that area and Shasta county will take over interviewing Sherri. Any prosecution will be handled by Shasta county DA.
JMO

 

[byo]

Uh....have any idea what my username was? Ha! I remember you, too. Thanks! Good to see you.


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Were you JurysOut?

 

[Deleted member 718]

Security experts weigh in on Papini case

"Why was she abducted? If she was in restraints, she posed no threat to her captors, so why did they let her go?

Those are the lingering questions for Joe Giacalone, a retired New York police sergeant and professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, who has been following the Northern California woman’s case.

“It’s not going to be easy,” he said of the probe to come. “but she is the key to this.”

The newspaper spoke to Giacalone and Danny Detenbaugh, a former Dallas FBI director who led the task force that investigated the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and has expertise in hostage situations, to ask about the prevalence of cases in which captors release their victims and how those victims respond when they return home.

In Giacalone’s experience, it is a rarity for a victim to be released, and he was upfront that the story so far does not add up.

"To attack somebody, kidnap them, tie them up, take them 150 miles and then leave them on the side of the road, it just doesn't make any sense to me," he said."

http://www.redding.com/news/local/Security-experts-weigh-in-on-Papini-case-403058276.html

Much more at link

 

[HarvestMoon]

In Sheila's statement video at -1:00 from the end here http://www.krcrtv.com/news/local/shasta/family-gives-a-statement-on-sherri-papinis-return/184840316

a reporter asks what Sherri is doing today, stating "I noticed yesterday she spent a lot of time with investigators" -

People were wondering a few posts back why she didn't see the kids right away. "Spent a lot of time with investigators" could explain why she didn't get home to the kids on Thanksgiving.

For what ever reason: guarded.

 

[Coquette]

The captions on that video! ������

It's been the same on the previous KRCR7 videos. It's like drunken translation. Is someone close captioning during happy hour? Good grief. :shakehead:

 

[Aeronomy]

Good point. One reason I doubt it's a hoax is that Sherri surely would've come up with a more believable story than being abducted in broad daylight by two Hispanic females. I could probably come up with a hundred stories more believable by the time I go to bed tonight. So, that makes me more inclined to believe Sherri, not less.

Sometimes when someone comes up with a lie, they make it a strange enough one to say just that...come on, don't you think if I was going to lie, I would have come up with something better than that?...but at the same time, they keep it just within what they believe as a realm of possibility. (Casey Anthony, comes to mind) Eventually, the lie will get found out if the right people are following up on every detail provided and/or omitted.

 

[HarvestMoon]

I'm sorry, I'm probably not the best one to ask about this case ... I've just never seen anything like it.

There is one case, with an after statement that comes to mind for me. I'll hold back until this one develops.

 

[missgulfsouth]

OMG, I actually remembered? That would be amazing.
If you can wade through a million white pickup trucks on videotape and google earth-walking every side street, you'll be OK.
I still think about Mickey now & then. Especially that single video frame that looked like the truck hit her. Awful and sad.


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Well, you only have 4 posts, so maybe that username isn't exactly right??? But I recall it being along those lines. Can you go back into the Mickey Shunick threads to find you? You would also need your password ...

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Do you think it's odd that LE did/could not question her thoroughly? I understand she was traumatized, and who wouldn't want privacy with their husband after what she went through. But I'm wondering if it's SOP to let a crime victim go home and not be questioned in a meaningful way? She and Keith called the City of Redding Mayor today to thank her. But has she met with investigators?

I think that is very odd and IMO definately not SOP. Memories don't improve with time, delay means losing potentially important details. There are LE who are trained and expert in taking statements from traumatized victims. I would expect LE to get a complete statement within hours of her being found. I can only think of one case where LE delayed questioning a victim, repeatedly, and, well, that was Ms. Mattice.

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[HarvestMoon]

Trying my best to catch up but have some questions...

I saw the press conference from the Shasta County Sheriff Bosenka, he is from the county where Sherri lived right?

She was found in Yolo County where it was CHP that responded to the call. Was she taken to the Yolo County Sheriff department or directly back to Shasta County? Have either CHP or the Yolo County Sheriff's department made any statements?

And finally which of the (3) LE departments would have conducted those initial interviews with Sherri?

I read that initially after being found . She was taken to a Sacramento hospital.

 

[skibaboo]

I'm at a loss as to why so many are reading so much into everything/anything in this case says or does. Her sister is 6 months pregnant, and just got news yesterday her sister was located and alive. I mean, that's kind of a massive emotional overload and all she was doing was trying to express her family's thanks.

Thank you O Mom. The voice of reason again!

 

[missgulfsouth]

This case only seems strange and odd and all the events surrounding it don't jive or make any real sense when I associate it as being an abduction. Yet, it makes so much sense and everything seems to jive and fit together nicely when I associate it as being something else. Yep.

That's it exactly.

 

[kammiemc]

For me, the fact that she was abducted by two women, held for no ransom, was released in relatively good health in a place she could easily be found, meaning she wouldn't be further harmed where they left her. That's an awful lot of care & consideration for a stranger abduction by experienced criminals, in my opinion. They appear to have gotten nothing out of it, plus they had to hide & house SP and feed & clothe her for weeks. Sounds like they *incurred* expense, as opposed to extorting money. Who does that? Is there another documented case?
I really have no idea which side of the equation is the hinky part, though. Are the perps some sort of fake kidnappers on a lark or was there no abduction?
The kind of things that seem to align with an actual kidnappings are pretty familiar to most adults who've watched television in the past 20 years or so, so virtually anyone could manufacture all of it - or all of it could be genuine.
It's the circumstances of the snatch-hold-release that are so, so inexplicably odd.


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I agree, I think that is the bizarre part as well. Don't get me wrong, I wouldnt be surprised at all if this were an orchestrated event. Many were saying nothing added up before we heard about the two Hispanic abductors, and I got to this case late so thought I could be missing some info early on that was incongruent with an abduction.


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[sumzero]

I think that is very odd and IMO definately not SOP. Memories don't improve with time, delay means losing potentially important details. There are LE who are trained and expert in taking statements from traumatized victims. I would expect LE to get a complete statement within hours of her being found. I can only think of one case where LE delayed questioning a victim, repeatedly, and, well, that was Ms. Mattice.

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I'm sure that LE on the scene -- and later, at the hospital -- tried to get as much information from her as possible (given her mental state after this traumatic ordeal). Don't you think so?