Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #9

[natsound]

BBM - That is my fundamental problem. The Sheriff asked the public's help to find "two hispanic women in a dark SUV" which is incredibly vague and can lead to unnecessary profiling and harassment. He hasn't followed up with more details since then. He's even stated that the captors being hispanic is based on SP's voice recognition. I am strongly of the opinion that he should of held off asking the public's help until he had more specific details to give.

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I'd like to know the position of the earbuds, phone and hairs that were found. On the surface, that sounds staged, doesn't it?

If there's anything to learn from SP's daily activities that would be helpful to the case, I'd like to know what she does during the day while her children are at daycare. I saw in MSM that she's a stay-at-home mom.

And, her husband says he normally leaves his personal phone at home when he works. Why did SP text that phone?

 

[Deleted member 718]

No mention of a blindfold while she was by the road flagging down help. The woman did say she looked scared though.

How do you suppose the kidnapper made sure she couldn't see her while she was dropping her off?

Just trying to picture the scene/sequence of events.

Yet, she know it's a dark SUV? I'm trying to figure this out.

Maybe the SUV license tags were covered also.

 

[Gardener1850]

I really wasn't trying to debate that she had or hadn't been beaten! I was trying to suggest we don't state either as fact as neither piece of information has been released as fact.

I meant it's subjective which report you choose to believe; that paper saying it's been privy to a police report, or the witness.

Apologies; it wasn't meant to turn into such a debate.

LozDa, you can listen to the police Dispatch where he says "Heavily Battered" here: http://www.redding.com/news/local/L...ponse-to-finding-Sherri-Papini-403142066.html

HTH to clear it up where the info is coming from. It's not just that the media has access to a police report--we have the recording of the dispatcher saying it.

 

[glassheater]

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I'd like to know the position of the earbuds, phone and hairs that were found. On the surface, that sounds staged, doesn't it?

If there's anything to learn from SP's daily activities that would be helpful to the case, I'd like to know what she does during the day while her children are at daycare. I saw in MSM that she's a stay-at-home mom.

And, her husband says he normally leaves his personal phone at home when he works. Why did SP text that phone?

I'm VERY happy Sherri is back home with her family. She is very much loved by them and I would hate to think of her children being motherless. There are many questions about this situation and regardless of what happened, I do hope she receives good counseling.

My main issue right now until we get more information is the Sheriff should of held off asking for the public's help when all he could provide was an incredibly vague description. I'm sorry if I sound rude...I just find it irresponsible, especially in today's political climate. Anyways,.....gonna go sit on my hands now.

 

[Westsloper]

Surely family has surveillance at this point! And regardless of money connections, the still makes sense to me. There are many peoples' lives affected by this from both sides of the family. This situation was not cheap finacially or emotionally. That I why I think not a hoax. I don't think SP could possibly have orchestrated this to this magnitude.

 

[skibaboo]

What We Know About the Investigation Into Sherri Papini's Disappearance

A California woman who went missing in early November is now safe at home with her family after she was found on Thanksgiving Day, but the details surrounding her disappearance and alleged abduction remain unclear.

Video at link including interview with the Sheriff (it's the 2nd video at link and should auto play)

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ONE of the captors dropped SP off within a short space of time before she was able to flag someone down.

They are going on VOCAL recognistion at this time, SP did not get a good look at the captors

Also SP has not yet seen her children

This may have been pointed out already, but if so, I missed it here. In the interview with the Sheriff on the sidebar to the right http://abcnews.go.com/US/investigation-sherri-papinis-disappearance/story?id=43777131, he states, 'One of the captors had dropped her off on a rural road…'

Here the Sheriff didn’t say it was the two women who dropped her off. First that I had heard or read of that. So from what we know thus far, she was abducted by the two women and one person dropped her off.

Page #1 of the thread. I heard it too

 

[Annie1004]

Well, then there's the issue of housing another human being alive, for 3 weeks. I mean, logistically, that's a nightmare. Even if you are very rural, private property, etc. Can you imagine trying to keep a hostage for THREE WEEKS? When you really start to think about it, it's just crazy. There's more to this story. There has to be a personal connection somewhere.

It's really a miracle she's alive and home with her family. I hope they are able to heal from all of this.

I would go nuts just being around my best friend constantly for three weeks.

 

[Westsloper]

Perhaps one was driving and one physically "dropped" her off. These captors were working for someone, anyway, IMO, the point of finding the girls would be to find the bigger fish IMO

 

[LozDa]

LozDa, you can listen to the police Dispatch where he says "Heavily Battered" here: http://www.redding.com/news/local/L...ponse-to-finding-Sherri-Papini-403142066.html

HTH to clear it up where the info is coming from. It's not just that the media has access to a police report--we have the recording of the dispatcher saying it.

Thanks Gardy I have just been listening to it.

I'm actually in agreement that she had injuries that needed to be treated.

I was literally making an argument for only stating as fact things that have been released as fact. No more, no less.

 

[gitana1]

This IS odd.
IMO I would NEVER promise my children anything like that.

"Last week he promised their two children, Tyler four and Violet, two, that 'mommy' would be home by Thanksgiving."

This is NOT odd
IMO

"It turns out Keith had been told she was okay hours before and he even beat the sheriffs down to where she was found."

*http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-promised-children-d-holidays.html#comments

*KP beat the Sheriff's from Redding
to where she was with the
Sheriff's in Yolo is how I read this.

He did not go to the side of the road with SP.

jmo

BBM. What? Come on, guys. I keep starting to write and then backing up because nothing I can say expresses how bizarre that statements is to me right now.

O/T but just ask. Many peoples here have big hearts. Don't be scared to ask for help, here or anywhere else... My heart and mind is with you...... just remember to ask.:heartbeat:

I agree! I was thinking about that. Women are very reluctant to reach out but women are also very ready to help each other out. We take care of each other and there are so many ladies on websleuths.

A friend of mine told me that she had been hospitalized with the flu, years back, after trying to deal with her illness and care for her small boys. She had moved to TX and I'm in CA. I told her I wish she had let friends know what was going on because many of us wouldv'e flown out to care for her and her kids. But women are caretakers. We don;t ask for help for ourselves.

The first link has been edited to remove gaps of silence. The second link is the recording in entirety,

http://www.redding.com/news/local/L...ponse-to-finding-Sherri-Papini-403142066.html

LISTEN: Dispatch recording details response to finding Sherri Papini

https://soundcloud.com/user-941170222/raw-law-enforcement-responds-to-finding-sherri-papini

Thank you. There is zero reason to disbelieve that she was found with injuries indicating she had been beaten. And bound. Regardless of anything.

BBM - That is my fundamental problem. The Sheriff asked the public's help to find "two hispanic women in a dark SUV" which is incredibly vague and can lead to unnecessary profiling and harassment. He hasn't followed up with more details since then. He's even stated that the captors being hispanic is based on SP's voice recognition. I am strongly of the opinion that he should of held off asking the public's help until he had more specific details to give.

100% agreed. So irresponsible and unfair and dangerous. Such a release of vague ad limited info could create more problems than help. I'm already seeing fingers pointed at "illegals".

What I don't understand besides my first 20 questions about this entire case, is why haven't the police, FBI or the family come out to the media asking for any drivers that may have been driving from 3am-4:30am who could have possibly seen anything! Begging for help from the public to please think back! I sadly still can't wrap my head around all this...... this may be an episode for black mirror.

The only reason i could think of would be they have surveillance already? Or witness statements already?

I wondered if the arrest in Anderson on Monday is connected to SP's release. If the report of the 2 women is correct, I still suspect there are more people involved. With the attention SP's case had garnered, the abductors may have realized LE was hot on their trail with Acosta's arrest. If the reported sighting in Anderson on the 12th was SP, she could've been heavily drugged. It is very common for traffickers to drug (and beat) their victims into submission within the first few weeks to break them. This could also explain why she didn't see her children right away (though physically and emotionally, the delay is completely understandable). The Shasta Co. Sheriff logs showed they had a 12 hour day on the case after receiving the call she'd been found, which also must've been taxing on SP.



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Are you thinking of a situation in which women who are sort of followers of some predator, who have been trained or convinced or excited to do his bidding, kidnapped her for him? That kind of thing? I;m really trying hard to come up with a logical scenario here. :thinking:

No mention of a blindfold while she was by the road flagging down help. The woman did say she looked scared though.

How do you suppose the kidnapper made sure she couldn't see her while she was dropping her off?

Just trying to picture the scene/sequence of events.

After the left she could've reached up, even if chained or bound, and somehow pushed the blindfold down or off?

I really wasn't trying to debate that she had or hadn't been beaten! I was trying to suggest we don't state either as fact as neither piece of information has been released as fact.

I meant it's subjective which report you choose to believe; that paper saying it's been privy to a police report, or the witness.

Apologies; it wasn't meant to turn into such a debate.

I understand. But it;s really absolutely not subjective what we decide to accept as fact. A media report of a person claiming to be a witness who, even if she was, did not stop, but was driving by in the dark at 4:30 a.m., or a media report of an official CHP dispatch call. We have the actual call now too. So there's no debate, really. Oddness? Oh yeah. But I have zero doubt that this woman was found with injuries indicating she had been beaten and was bound.

 

[Gardener1850]

Does anyone know if Sherri wears contacts or does she have perfect vision? I know I have very poor vision without my contacts and if someone kidnapped me and did not provide a way to care for my contacts I would not be able to identify nor describe them unless they came within inches of my face while they held me. Just another idea to throw into the many suggestions of why she may not be able to ID her abductors (other suggestions being a mask or blindfold or she was threatened not to reveal their identity).

 

[Deleted member 50844]

Is Sherri "required " to provide more info to cops?

Also, I hope they've got enough police officers to respond if they're asking people to call in sightings of two Hispanic females in an SUV in California.
I think that could result in TONS of calls.
Hopefully nobody gets hurt or killed by the time this is said and done.

 

[Deleted member 110058]

Is the Inquisitr considered MSM?

 

[gitana1]

If this was a ransom kidnapping, and the family brought in negotiator (who appears to have done his job) then as a family, I would like all the publicity to go away as well. These people know where they live. I'd start packing up and leave town....if it were me or my family.

And not posting or releasing tons of photos of the kids for God's sake! So dangerous.

 

[CharlestonGal]

I think LE better say something, anything, and soon. SM comments/opinions about this case are getting downright brutal to victim, family and LE. It's getting very ugly to read.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Thanks Gardy I have just been listening to it.

I'm actually in agreement that she had injuries that needed to be treated.

I was literally making an argument for only stating as fact things that have been released as fact. No more, no less.

Please remember that it is mandatory to collect fibers and dna from clothing and restraints upon an abduction victim entering the hospital.

So LE probably also kept her at the hospital for a while to get these items and bag them and ask her questions to see if they should check under her fingernails or whatever else.

 

[Knox]

We've had two second hand pieces of information in MSM:

One says the dispatcher claimed she might be badly beaten.

One says the witness said she didn't look to be injured.

Do you think we should avoid saying she was or wasn't beaten until we've got first-hand confirmation on this? I've seen a lot of comments talking about it one way or the other and I think discussing the potential of IF she had been badly beaten is different from stating that she was. And vice versa.

I don't want anyone to feel I'm telling people how to post - I just wondered others' thoughts on this? Do you take either piece of information from MSM as fact and/or one piece of information over the other?

The officer was present with Sherri. The female motorist was going freeway speed when she observed her in her headlights. Whose description is likely to be more accurate? I choose the officer.

 

[trixandhoney]

Does anyone know if Sherri wears contacts or does she have perfect vision? I know I have very poor vision without my contacts and if someone kidnapped me and did not provide a way to care for my contacts I would not be able to identify nor describe them unless they came within inches of my face while they held me. Just another idea to throw into the many suggestions of why she may not be able to ID her abductors (other suggestions being a mask or blindfold or she was threatened not to reveal their identity).

Great point - I wouldn't be able to see a thing.

 

[Gardener1850]

Thanks Gardy I have just been listening to it.

I'm actually in agreement that she had injuries that needed to be treated.

I was literally making an argument for only stating as fact things that have been released as fact. No more, no less.

I understand. I wasn't trying to be rude/smart, BTW, just providing the link because I thought some people might be confused on where the info came from.

 

[Knox]

Are we sure they didn't?

The female motorist described Sherri, as a woman with long blonde hair. Sorry can't link the article but it was posted this morning.